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Culture & Politics » soc.culture.china » Kyrgyzstan
| Kyrgyzstan [message #3211] |
Fr, 25 März 2005 03:44 |
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Kyrgyzstan is a very mountainous landlocked country very much like
Tibet. The people are very poor and level of education low.
It is very a unlikely place for "democracy" to suddenly blooming from
here.
I am quite sure US is behind the current turmoil.
A new gov that truely work for the interest of the people of Kyrgyzstan
will be good for China, but unlikely.
It will most likely be a puppet of the Anglo-USA alliance.
USA already has an airforce base there. They said it was temporary for
the Afghanistan war, but knowing the nature of Washington, it is likely
to be permanent. Their target is China, Russia and one by one, they
will try to grab power in the other Central Asian countries.
Though, Kyrgyzstan is poor, the other central Asian states have rich
resources.
None of their leaders seems very competent at running a modern economy.
The people and the Gov are miles apart. They don't seems to have the
kind of Nationalism that hold the people together like Vietnam, China,
Korea or the Arabs. Kissing American butts seems like ok thing to do.
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| Re: Kyrgyzstan [message #3222 ] |
Fr, 25 März 2005 04:27 |
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Yu wrote:
> Kyrgyzstan is a very mountainous landlocked country very much like
> Tibet. The people are very poor and level of education low.
> It is very a unlikely place for "democracy" to suddenly blooming from
> here.
> I am quite sure US is behind the current turmoil.
> A new gov that truely work for the interest of the people of
Kyrgyzstan
> will be good for China, but unlikely.
> It will most likely be a puppet of the Anglo-USA alliance.
> USA already has an airforce base there. They said it was temporary
for
> the Afghanistan war, but knowing the nature of Washington, it is
likely
> to be permanent. Their target is China, Russia and one by one, they
> will try to grab power in the other Central Asian countries.
> Though, Kyrgyzstan is poor, the other central Asian states have rich
> resources.
> None of their leaders seems very competent at running a modern
economy.
> The people and the Gov are miles apart. They don't seems to have the
> kind of Nationalism that hold the people together like Vietnam,
China,
> Korea or the Arabs. Kissing American butts seems like ok thing to do.
Yu, you are always the conspiracy theorist. If the US is behind the
"current turmoil" then the CIA agent or agents responsible are
superagents. How could some agent convince tens of thousands to take
to the streets to demonstrate and overthrow their own government when,
at least according to you, it is against their own interests?
The Kyrgyzstan people got rid of their corrupt leader who was putting
his relatives in high position, stealing all the money, and holding
fraudelent elections. Chinese never got rid of their leaders like Ziang
Zemin and Li Peng who do the same. Where is the unlikely place for
democracy?
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| Re: Kyrgyzstan [message #3227 ] |
Fr, 25 März 2005 04:53 |
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The rebels started from the South of KirGyzstan, where there are mnay
tribal units together with many Uzbek population.
The Uzbek population in Souht KirGyzstan are the smugglers of Opium
from Afghanistan into the State of Uzbekistan via the co-operations of
the Farghana MaFias .
In the Future the Americans might topple the leadrship of Uzbekistan by
accusing the ministers of Uzbekistan government of Opium Trafficking.
So this is a kind of Domino effects inside Central Asia.
The Americans want Regimes Changes inside Central Asia because of Oil.
The Americans want to do the same thing to Uzbekistan as they did with
Noriega of Panama .
Americans will find a mean to make Regimes changes inside Central Asia
..
This in effect will kill the Shanghai -6 treaty promoted by the
Chi-Coms .
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| Re: Kyrgyzstan [message #3231 ] |
Fr, 25 März 2005 05:17 |
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demoris... [at] aol.com wrote:
> Yu wrote:
> > Kyrgyzstan is a very mountainous landlocked country very much like
> > Tibet. The people are very poor and level of education low.
> > It is very a unlikely place for "democracy" to suddenly blooming
from
> > here.
> > I am quite sure US is behind the current turmoil.
> > A new gov that truely work for the interest of the people of
> Kyrgyzstan
> > will be good for China, but unlikely.
> > It will most likely be a puppet of the Anglo-USA alliance.
> > USA already has an airforce base there. They said it was temporary
> for
> > the Afghanistan war, but knowing the nature of Washington, it is
> likely
> > to be permanent. Their target is China, Russia and one by one, they
> > will try to grab power in the other Central Asian countries.
> > Though, Kyrgyzstan is poor, the other central Asian states have
rich
> > resources.
> > None of their leaders seems very competent at running a modern
> economy.
> > The people and the Gov are miles apart. They don't seems to have
the
> > kind of Nationalism that hold the people together like Vietnam,
> China,
> > Korea or the Arabs. Kissing American butts seems like ok thing to
do.
>
> Yu, you are always the conspiracy theorist. If the US is behind the
> "current turmoil" then the CIA agent or agents responsible are
> superagents. How could some agent convince tens of thousands to take
> to the streets to demonstrate and overthrow their own government
when,
> at least according to you, it is against their own interests?
>
> The Kyrgyzstan people got rid of their corrupt leader who was putting
> his relatives in high position, stealing all the money, and holding
> fraudelent elections. Chinese never got rid of their leaders like
Ziang
> Zemin and Li Peng who do the same. Where is the unlikely place for
> democracy?
Is world affair that simple?
Just wait a few more days, and I predict, you will read the in the news
the Americans bragging about how their NED/ Freedom house/ the CIA
brought down the Gov of Kyrgystan.
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| Re: Kyrgyzstan [message #3256 ] |
Fr, 25 März 2005 09:43 |
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The Uzbeks in the south KirGyzstan are also in contactz with the IMU
and the Islam Party of Turkistan .
The Uzbeks and the Farghana Mafias are into drug and weapons
smugglings, money launderings .
The rebels in KirGyzstan will influence th rebels in kazakhstan .
Kazakhstan will have election in the last quarter of this year .
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| Re: Kyrgyzstan [message #3282 ] |
Fr, 25 März 2005 13:03 |
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demorising [at] aol.com wrote:
> Yu wrote:
> > Kyrgyzstan is a very mountainous landlocked country very much like
> > Tibet. The people are very poor and level of education low.
> > It is very a unlikely place for "democracy" to suddenly blooming
from
> > here.
> > I am quite sure US is behind the current turmoil.
> > A new gov that truely work for the interest of the people of
> Kyrgyzstan
> > will be good for China, but unlikely.
> > It will most likely be a puppet of the Anglo-USA alliance.
> > USA already has an airforce base there. They said it was temporary
> for
> > the Afghanistan war, but knowing the nature of Washington, it is
> likely
> > to be permanent. Their target is China, Russia and one by one, they
> > will try to grab power in the other Central Asian countries.
> > Though, Kyrgyzstan is poor, the other central Asian states have
rich
> > resources.
> > None of their leaders seems very competent at running a modern
> economy.
> > The people and the Gov are miles apart. They don't seems to have
the
> > kind of Nationalism that hold the people together like Vietnam,
> China,
> > Korea or the Arabs. Kissing American butts seems like ok thing to
do.
>
> Yu, you are always the conspiracy theorist. If the US is behind the
> "current turmoil" then the CIA agent or agents responsible are
> superagents. How could some agent convince tens of thousands to take
> to the streets to demonstrate and overthrow their own government
when,
> at least according to you, it is against their own interests?
I am not sure there are "tens of thousands to take to the stree."
Given the remotenes of the place and the pace of the unfolding event,
foreign reporters in general could be there in time. This also gives
rise the possibibility that the whole thing is scripted performance.
Two years ago, there was a lot of fanfare reporting the pulling down
the Saddam Hussien's statue. It is not known that the video is produced
by the American government.
>
> The Kyrgyzstan people got rid of their corrupt leader who was putting
> his relatives in high position, stealing all the money, and holding
> fraudelent elections. Chinese never got rid of their leaders like
Ziang
> Zemin and Li Peng who do the same. Where is the unlikely place for
> democracy?
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| Re: Kyrgyzstan [message #3327 ] |
Fr, 25 März 2005 19:59 |
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Hey ChiComs,Americans; Take your fuckin dirty hands from Turkistan!!!!
It is not the place for your fucking clashes!!!
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| Re: Kyrgyzstan [message #3344 ] |
Sa, 26 März 2005 01:40 |
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Yu wrote:
> demoris... [at] aol.com wrote:
> > Yu wrote:
> > > Kyrgyzstan is a very mountainous landlocked country very much
like
> > > Tibet. The people are very poor and level of education low.
> > > It is very a unlikely place for "democracy" to suddenly blooming
> from
> > > here.
> > > I am quite sure US is behind the current turmoil.
> > > A new gov that truely work for the interest of the people of
> > Kyrgyzstan
> > > will be good for China, but unlikely.
> > > It will most likely be a puppet of the Anglo-USA alliance.
> > > USA already has an airforce base there. They said it was
temporary
> > for
> > > the Afghanistan war, but knowing the nature of Washington, it is
> > likely
> > > to be permanent. Their target is China, Russia and one by one,
they
> > > will try to grab power in the other Central Asian countries.
> > > Though, Kyrgyzstan is poor, the other central Asian states have
> rich
> > > resources.
> > > None of their leaders seems very competent at running a modern
> > economy.
> > > The people and the Gov are miles apart. They don't seems to have
> the
> > > kind of Nationalism that hold the people together like Vietnam,
> > China,
> > > Korea or the Arabs. Kissing American butts seems like ok thing to
> do.
> >
> > Yu, you are always the conspiracy theorist. If the US is behind the
> > "current turmoil" then the CIA agent or agents responsible are
> > superagents. How could some agent convince tens of thousands to
take
> > to the streets to demonstrate and overthrow their own government
> when,
> > at least according to you, it is against their own interests?
> >
> > The Kyrgyzstan people got rid of their corrupt leader who was
putting
> > his relatives in high position, stealing all the money, and holding
> > fraudelent elections. Chinese never got rid of their leaders like
> Ziang
> > Zemin and Li Peng who do the same. Where is the unlikely place for
> > democracy?
>
> Is world affair that simple?
> Just wait a few more days, and I predict, you will read the in the
news
> the Americans bragging about how their NED/ Freedom house/ the CIA
> brought down the Gov of Kyrgystan.
Why is USA's Freedom House publishing a news paper in Southern
Kyrgyzstan? That's where the "spontaneous" uprising started.
BTW,Freedom House chairman, James Woolsey, was a former CIA director.
Why does US airforce need AWAC in Kyrgyzstan?
Clearly the target is China and Russia.
When the Kyrgyzstan gov refused permission to allow US airforce to
operate such planes the "spontaneous" uprising took place.
Here are some of the answers.
http://www.antiwar.com/justin/?articleid=3D5331
excerpt:
"The idea that the people of Kyrgyzstan have risen up, all on their
own, to establish "democracy" and the "rule of law" in a land that has
never known either, is the sort of fairy tale that even the most na=EFve
will probably greet with a considerable degree of skepticism."
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| Re: Kyrgyzstan [message #3360 ] |
Sa, 26 März 2005 03:37 |
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I visited the KirGyz- China border .
On the Chinese side , it is very dry , not much vegetations ,
much rocky surface and small mountains .
The border post between China and KirGyz is on top of a mountain ,
but you must get your clearing with the custom and border guard about
250-300km in the Chinese territory,
before you are allowed to move towards the border .
I met the director of the bus company which have bus services running
between Karshi and Bishkek.
He said the other side of teh Border in the KirGyz side is all green ,
with lots of vegetations, because of the rain and wet climate on the
other side of the mountain inside Kirgyz territory.
Chinese governmnet was giving teh KirGyz military and police free
Chinese uniforms and jeep-mobiles .
The Americans will control KirGyzstan ,
but the Chinese is building a railway line to the KirGyz border.
Lots of drugs inside the Kirgyz border area ,
Kirgyz officials , after their meeting in Cancun WTO in Mexico in
20002-2003 ?
they wanted to make new garment industry inside Kirgyzstan .
But their transport is giving them dis-advantage , in competing with
other SE Asian garment manufacturers .
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| Re: Kyrgyzstan [message #6451 ] |
Mo, 04 April 2005 04:31 |
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ltlee1 wrote:
> demorising [at] aol.com wrote:
> > Yu wrote:
> > > Kyrgyzstan is a very mountainous landlocked country very much
like
> > > Tibet. The people are very poor and level of education low.
> > > It is very a unlikely place for "democracy" to suddenly blooming
> from
> > > here.
> > > I am quite sure US is behind the current turmoil.
> > > A new gov that truely work for the interest of the people of
> > Kyrgyzstan
> > > will be good for China, but unlikely.
> > > It will most likely be a puppet of the Anglo-USA alliance.
> > > USA already has an airforce base there. They said it was
temporary
> > for
> > > the Afghanistan war, but knowing the nature of Washington, it is
> > likely
> > > to be permanent. Their target is China, Russia and one by one,
they
> > > will try to grab power in the other Central Asian countries.
> > > Though, Kyrgyzstan is poor, the other central Asian states have
> rich
> > > resources.
> > > None of their leaders seems very competent at running a modern
> > economy.
> > > The people and the Gov are miles apart. They don't seems to have
> the
> > > kind of Nationalism that hold the people together like Vietnam,
> > China,
> > > Korea or the Arabs. Kissing American butts seems like ok thing to
> do.
> >
> > Yu, you are always the conspiracy theorist. If the US is behind the
> > "current turmoil" then the CIA agent or agents responsible are
> > superagents. How could some agent convince tens of thousands to
take
> > to the streets to demonstrate and overthrow their own government
> when,
> > at least according to you, it is against their own interests?
>
>
> I am not sure there are "tens of thousands to take to the stree."
> Given the remotenes of the place and the pace of the unfolding event,
> foreign reporters in general could be there in time. This also gives
> rise the possibibility that the whole thing is scripted performance.
> Two years ago, there was a lot of fanfare reporting the pulling down
> the Saddam Hussien's statue. It is not known that the video is
produced
> by the American government.
As I had suspected, it was a coup. The only remaining question is what
other country was behind this coup.
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/04/03/international/asia/03kyrgy zstan.html
----------------
Kyrgyzstan's Shining Hour Ticks Away and Turns Out to Be a Plain, Old
Coup
By CRAIG S. SMITH
Published: April 3, 2005
ISHKEK, Kyrgyzstan, April 2 - A malaise is settling over this country
as the uprising a week ago begins to look less like a democratically
inspired revolution and more like a garden-variety coup, with a handful
of seasoned politicians vying for the spoils of the ousted government.
"Let's not pretend that what happened here was democratic," said Edil
Baisalov, one of the country's best-known democracy advocates, speaking
to clearly disheartened students beneath huge Soviet-era portraits of
Lenin, Marx and Engels in the auditorium of what has been the American
University since 1997.
[...]
------------------------
>
> >
> > The Kyrgyzstan people got rid of their corrupt leader who was
putting
> > his relatives in high position, stealing all the money, and holding
> > fraudelent elections. Chinese never got rid of their leaders like
> Ziang
> > Zemin and Li Peng who do the same. Where is the unlikely place for
> > democracy?
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| Re: Kyrgyzstan [message #6458 ] |
Mo, 04 April 2005 05:42 |
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The new Regime will be associated with the Mafias.
the money politics of Central asia.
The US knows this , that is why the US wants democracy there, because
democracy in KirGyzstan will allow corruptions and money to flow inside
KirGyzstan.
The US wants money politics inside Kirgyzstan ,
that is why the KirGyz want democracy , which means mafia money flows.
Mafia money flows are the drug trades from Afghan opium flows which
generates
fundings for oppositions .
KirGyzstan shall be a Mafia controlled country , which is what the US
wants ,
like before in Afghanistan with the Talibans , drug money and weapons
money inside Kirgyzstan .
The US can only influence Kirgyz if the Kirgyz accept American and drug
money .
That is why there is American University inside KirGyzstan, to train
people there to love money and to accept American double standards . .
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| Re: Kyrgyzstan [message #6459 ] |
Mo, 04 April 2005 05:43 |
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ltlee1 wrote:
> ltlee1 wrote:
> > demorising [at] aol.com wrote:
> > > Yu wrote:
> > > > Kyrgyzstan is a very mountainous landlocked country very much
> like
> > > > Tibet. The people are very poor and level of education low.
> > > > It is very a unlikely place for "democracy" to suddenly
blooming
> > from
> > > > here.
> > > > I am quite sure US is behind the current turmoil.
> > > > A new gov that truely work for the interest of the people of
> > > Kyrgyzstan
> > > > will be good for China, but unlikely.
> > > > It will most likely be a puppet of the Anglo-USA alliance.
> > > > USA already has an airforce base there. They said it was
> temporary
> > > for
> > > > the Afghanistan war, but knowing the nature of Washington, it
is
> > > likely
> > > > to be permanent. Their target is China, Russia and one by one,
> they
> > > > will try to grab power in the other Central Asian countries.
> > > > Though, Kyrgyzstan is poor, the other central Asian states have
> > rich
> > > > resources.
> > > > None of their leaders seems very competent at running a modern
> > > economy.
> > > > The people and the Gov are miles apart. They don't seems to
have
> > the
> > > > kind of Nationalism that hold the people together like Vietnam,
> > > China,
> > > > Korea or the Arabs. Kissing American butts seems like ok thing
to
> > do.
> > >
> > > Yu, you are always the conspiracy theorist. If the US is behind
the
> > > "current turmoil" then the CIA agent or agents responsible are
> > > superagents. How could some agent convince tens of thousands to
> take
> > > to the streets to demonstrate and overthrow their own government
> > when,
> > > at least according to you, it is against their own interests?
> >
> >
> > I am not sure there are "tens of thousands to take to the stree."
> > Given the remotenes of the place and the pace of the unfolding
event,
> > foreign reporters in general could be there in time. This also
gives
> > rise the possibibility that the whole thing is scripted
performance.
> > Two years ago, there was a lot of fanfare reporting the pulling
down
> > the Saddam Hussien's statue. It is not known that the video is
> produced
> > by the American government.
>
> As I had suspected, it was a coup. The only remaining question is
what
> other country was behind this coup.
>
>
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/04/03/international/asia/03kyrgy zstan.html
>
> ----------------
> Kyrgyzstan's Shining Hour Ticks Away and Turns Out to Be a Plain, Old
> Coup
>
>
> By CRAIG S. SMITH
>
> Published: April 3, 2005
>
>
> ISHKEK, Kyrgyzstan, April 2 - A malaise is settling over this country
> as the uprising a week ago begins to look less like a democratically
> inspired revolution and more like a garden-variety coup, with a
handful
> of seasoned politicians vying for the spoils of the ousted
government.
>
> "Let's not pretend that what happened here was democratic," said Edil
> Baisalov, one of the country's best-known democracy advocates,
speaking
> to clearly disheartened students beneath huge Soviet-era portraits of
> Lenin, Marx and Engels in the auditorium of what has been the
American
> University since 1997.
>
> [...]
>
> ------------------------
The NY Time story fell short of exposing USA's role in the coup.
The millions of dollars USA poured into Kyrgyzstan; what exactly were
their target.
If they truly work for a better Kyrgyzstan everybody should support
them.
More likely they will specialize in kissing US behinds while sucking
Kyrgyzstan dry of whatever it has.
The reason I am not enthusiastic about 3rd world "democracy" is they
tend to be cosmetic in nature. In substance they are proxy for the
super-power and their corporations.
Gov that truely work for the benifit of its people tend to be unpopular
with the CIA. In the case of Kyrgyzstan, allowing US to deploy AWACS
will increase tension with China and Russia and how is Kyrgyzstan going
to benifit form it?
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| Re: Kyrgyzstan [message #6483 ] |
Mo, 04 April 2005 07:56 |
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ltlee1 wrote:
> ltlee1 wrote:
> > demorising [at] aol.com wrote:
> > > Yu wrote:
> > > > Kyrgyzstan is a very mountainous landlocked country very much
> like
> > > > Tibet. The people are very poor and level of education low.
> > > > It is very a unlikely place for "democracy" to suddenly
blooming
> > from
> > > > here.
> > > > I am quite sure US is behind the current turmoil.
> > > > A new gov that truely work for the interest of the people of
> > > Kyrgyzstan
> > > > will be good for China, but unlikely.
> > > > It will most likely be a puppet of the Anglo-USA alliance.
> > > > USA already has an airforce base there. They said it was
> temporary
> > > for
> > > > the Afghanistan war, but knowing the nature of Washington, it
is
> > > likely
> > > > to be permanent. Their target is China, Russia and one by one,
> they
> > > > will try to grab power in the other Central Asian countries.
> > > > Though, Kyrgyzstan is poor, the other central Asian states have
> > rich
> > > > resources.
> > > > None of their leaders seems very competent at running a modern
> > > economy.
> > > > The people and the Gov are miles apart. They don't seems to
have
> > the
> > > > kind of Nationalism that hold the people together like Vietnam,
> > > China,
> > > > Korea or the Arabs. Kissing American butts seems like ok thing
to
> > do.
> > >
> > > Yu, you are always the conspiracy theorist. If the US is behind
the
> > > "current turmoil" then the CIA agent or agents responsible are
> > > superagents. How could some agent convince tens of thousands to
> take
> > > to the streets to demonstrate and overthrow their own government
> > when,
> > > at least according to you, it is against their own interests?
> >
> >
> > I am not sure there are "tens of thousands to take to the stree."
> > Given the remotenes of the place and the pace of the unfolding
event,
> > foreign reporters in general could be there in time. This also
gives
> > rise the possibibility that the whole thing is scripted
performance.
> > Two years ago, there was a lot of fanfare reporting the pulling
down
> > the Saddam Hussien's statue. It is not known that the video is
> produced
> > by the American government.
>
> As I had suspected, it was a coup. The only remaining question is
what
> other country was behind this coup.
>
>
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/04/03/international/asia/03kyrgy zstan.html
>
> ----------------
> Kyrgyzstan's Shining Hour Ticks Away and Turns Out to Be a Plain, Old
> Coup
>
LTLee, do you even read the articles you post? It seems like you read
the title only. This article says that a popular uprising has devolved
into political infighting. Ha ha ha.
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| Re: Kyrgyzstan [message #6485 ] |
Mo, 04 April 2005 08:02 |
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demoris... [at] aol.com wrote:
> ltlee1 wrote:
>
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/04/03/international/asia/03kyrgy zstan.html
> >
> > ----------------
> > Kyrgyzstan's Shining Hour Ticks Away and Turns Out to Be a Plain,
Old
> > Coup
> >
>
> LTLee, do you even read the articles you post? It seems like you read
> the title only. This article says that a popular uprising has
devolved
> into political infighting. Ha ha ha.
Dont be too tough on him. He got so many propaganda to do and now he
has open battle front with Japan, korean and USA groups (and also human
right forums).
But he wont admit his mistake for sure..... He He He.
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| Re: Kyrgyzstan [message #6491 ] |
Mo, 04 April 2005 08:09 |
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demorising [at] aol.com wrote:
> ltlee1 wrote:
> > ltlee1 wrote:
> > > demorising [at] aol.com wrote:
> > > > Yu wrote:
> > > > > Kyrgyzstan is a very mountainous landlocked country very much
> > like
> > > > > Tibet. The people are very poor and level of education low.
> > > > > It is very a unlikely place for "democracy" to suddenly
> blooming
> > > from
> > > > > here.
> > > > > I am quite sure US is behind the current turmoil.
> > > > > A new gov that truely work for the interest of the people of
> > > > Kyrgyzstan
> > > > > will be good for China, but unlikely.
> > > > > It will most likely be a puppet of the Anglo-USA alliance.
> > > > > USA already has an airforce base there. They said it was
> > temporary
> > > > for
> > > > > the Afghanistan war, but knowing the nature of Washington, it
> is
> > > > likely
> > > > > to be permanent. Their target is China, Russia and one by
one,
> > they
> > > > > will try to grab power in the other Central Asian countries.
> > > > > Though, Kyrgyzstan is poor, the other central Asian states
have
> > > rich
> > > > > resources.
> > > > > None of their leaders seems very competent at running a
modern
> > > > economy.
> > > > > The people and the Gov are miles apart. They don't seems to
> have
> > > the
> > > > > kind of Nationalism that hold the people together like
Vietnam,
> > > > China,
> > > > > Korea or the Arabs. Kissing American butts seems like ok
thing
> to
> > > do.
> > > >
> > > > Yu, you are always the conspiracy theorist. If the US is behind
> the
> > > > "current turmoil" then the CIA agent or agents responsible are
> > > > superagents. How could some agent convince tens of thousands to
> > take
> > > > to the streets to demonstrate and overthrow their own
government
> > > when,
> > > > at least according to you, it is against their own interests?
> > >
> > >
> > > I am not sure there are "tens of thousands to take to the stree."
> > > Given the remotenes of the place and the pace of the unfolding
> event,
> > > foreign reporters in general could be there in time. This also
> gives
> > > rise the possibibility that the whole thing is scripted
> performance.
> > > Two years ago, there was a lot of fanfare reporting the pulling
> down
> > > the Saddam Hussien's statue. It is not known that the video is
> > produced
> > > by the American government.
> >
> > As I had suspected, it was a coup. The only remaining question is
> what
> > other country was behind this coup.
> >
> >
>
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/04/03/international/asia/03kyrgy zstan.html
> >
> > ----------------
> > Kyrgyzstan's Shining Hour Ticks Away and Turns Out to Be a Plain,
Old
> > Coup
> >
>
> LTLee, do you even read the articles you post? It seems like you read
> the title only. This article says that a popular uprising has
devolved
> into political infighting. Ha ha ha.
What's so funny?
If they were true fearless democratic heroes who risk their lives for
democracy how come they become thugs over night.
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| Re: Kyrgyzstan [message #6520 ] |
Mo, 04 April 2005 10:42 |
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KirGyzstam has a factory which produces the very fast Torpedo called
Kval = Deep Angel .
100 Km/ hour under water,
the US has no weapons against this type of torpedo .
Russians sold to China this tyrpe of torpedo.
Americans want to buy this technology .
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| Re: Kyrgyzstan [message #6532 ] |
Mo, 04 April 2005 11:47 |
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demorising [at] aol.com wrote:
> ltlee1 wrote:
> > ltlee1 wrote:
> > > demorising [at] aol.com wrote:
> > > > Yu wrote:
> > > > > Kyrgyzstan is a very mountainous landlocked country very much
> > like
> > > > > Tibet. The people are very poor and level of education low.
> > > > > It is very a unlikely place for "democracy" to suddenly
> blooming
> > > from
> > > > > here.
> > > > > I am quite sure US is behind the current turmoil.
> > > > > A new gov that truely work for the interest of the people of
> > > > Kyrgyzstan
> > > > > will be good for China, but unlikely.
> > > > > It will most likely be a puppet of the Anglo-USA alliance.
> > > > > USA already has an airforce base there. They said it was
> > temporary
> > > > for
> > > > > the Afghanistan war, but knowing the nature of Washington, it
> is
> > > > likely
> > > > > to be permanent. Their target is China, Russia and one by
one,
> > they
> > > > > will try to grab power in the other Central Asian countries.
> > > > > Though, Kyrgyzstan is poor, the other central Asian states
have
> > > rich
> > > > > resources.
> > > > > None of their leaders seems very competent at running a
modern
> > > > economy.
> > > > > The people and the Gov are miles apart. They don't seems to
> have
> > > the
> > > > > kind of Nationalism that hold the people together like
Vietnam,
> > > > China,
> > > > > Korea or the Arabs. Kissing American butts seems like ok
thing
> to
> > > do.
> > > >
> > > > Yu, you are always the conspiracy theorist. If the US is behind
> the
> > > > "current turmoil" then the CIA agent or agents responsible are
> > > > superagents. How could some agent convince tens of thousands to
> > take
> > > > to the streets to demonstrate and overthrow their own
government
> > > when,
> > > > at least according to you, it is against their own interests?
> > >
> > >
> > > I am not sure there are "tens of thousands to take to the stree."
> > > Given the remotenes of the place and the pace of the unfolding
> event,
> > > foreign reporters in general could be there in time. This also
> gives
> > > rise the possibibility that the whole thing is scripted
> performance.
> > > Two years ago, there was a lot of fanfare reporting the pulling
> down
> > > the Saddam Hussien's statue. It is not known that the video is
> > produced
> > > by the American government.
> >
> > As I had suspected, it was a coup. The only remaining question is
> what
> > other country was behind this coup.
> >
> >
>
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/04/03/international/asia/03kyrgy zstan.html
> >
> > ----------------
> > Kyrgyzstan's Shining Hour Ticks Away and Turns Out to Be a Plain,
Old
> > Coup
> >
>
> LTLee, do you even read the articles you post? It seems like you read
> the title only. This article says that a popular uprising has
devolved
> into political infighting. Ha ha ha.
Every uprising with a couple hundred of people can be called a popular
uprising. There is as yet objective creteria for using the world
"popular." However, no matter what it is called.
""Let's not pretend that what happened here was democratic," said Edil
Baisalov, one of the country's best-known democracy advocates..."
ImImplication: What had happened there were not for the people, by the
people and of the people. It was plain old coup.
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| Re: Kyrgyzstan [message #6597 ] |
Mo, 04 April 2005 15:35 |
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It is for people = for the Mafias
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| Re: Kyrgyzstan [message #11502 ] |
Sa, 23 April 2005 07:00 |
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ltlee1 wrote:
> demorising [at] aol.com wrote:
> > LTLee, do you even read the articles you post? It seems like you
read
> > the title only. This article says that a popular uprising has
> devolved
> > into political infighting. Ha ha ha.
>
> Every uprising with a couple hundred of people can be called a
popular
> uprising. There is as yet objective creteria for using the world
> "popular." However, no matter what it is called.
okay. LTLee's subjective creteria is "100".
> ""Let's not pretend that what happened here was democratic," said
Edil
> Baisalov, one of the country's best-known democracy advocates..."
>
> ImImplication: What had happened there were not for the people, by
the
> people and of the people. It was plain old coup.
But it look like how CCP uprising to grab the power, so its "People's".
^_^
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