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NetBurst microarchitecture [message #169191] Mo, 13 Mrz 2006 19:43
Eius  
请问:NetBurst 架构饱受非议,难道真的一无是处么?他的优 点和创新是什么?Core 架构就没有一点吸取 netburst 的长处么?

谢谢!
ظNetBurst microarchitecture [message #175959 ] Di, 14 Mrz 2006 04:50
Alexis  
NetBurst ܹȻһǴˣIntel CPU 2000 굽Ѹͷչ
޲ NetBurst ܹijɹ
NetBurst Ҫصӵеij 20 ˮߣӶĹƵʴ
Willamette 1.4G һֱյ 3.8G ƵNetBurst ˼
ĹƵ⣬NetBurst ɹ SSE3̡߳EMT64˫
ĵ¼ЩӦÿ϶ġ
NetBurst ˮȻ˸ߵƵʣҲʹ÷֧Ԥʧܺˮ
ָպ¼ҪڴΪӳͬʱ CPU Ҳ
ˣ NetBurst ʼ CPU Ƶȫϵ
ָ NetBurst Ľڡ

Intel һ CPU ¼ܹƾ辫 14 ˮߡÿʱָ
ͳһʽĻûּܹǰ Pentium M Ʒ
NetBurst¼ܹȫûб NetBurst ܹص㣬Ͼ NetBurst
пȡ֮ģŵ㻹Ҫ̼߳⻯ԭ NetBurst
ŵ㶼¼ܹб

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| ʣNetBurst ܹܷ飬ѵһǴôŵʹʲôCore
ܹûһȡ netburst ijô
Re: ظNetBurst microarchitecture [message #175966 ] Di, 14 Mrz 2006 10:20
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̫ƽϿһ˵ IntelҪ̼߳Ϊʲôô
Re: ظNetBurst microarchitecture [message #175970 ] Di, 14 Mrz 2006 11:34
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Re: ظNetBurst microarchitecture [message #175971 ] Di, 14 Mrz 2006 12:16
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Vista˵֧32CPU Ļ Ҳ4ĵĻ϶мOSɣ Ǻ
Re: ظNetBurst microarchitecture [message #175972 ] Di, 14 Mrz 2006 12:21
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Re: ظNetBurst microarchitecture [message #175973 ] Di, 14 Mrz 2006 13:28
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.........32,ƶ춼òů.
ûֿ֧϶Ǹ,intel⼼N ĶжOS϶кô.

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ظNetBurst microarchitecture [message #175974 ] Di, 14 Mrz 2006 13:38
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ظNetBurst microarchitecture [message #175975 ] Di, 14 Mrz 2006 13:41
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һ˳ĻIntel 45 ׹ռĺ˺Ĵ
ͻгƷⲻĺģĺġ Ȥ
Intel Roadmap ͼѾʮ²Ʒճ̣б
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Re: ظNetBurst microarchitecture [message #175979 ] Di, 14 Mrz 2006 13:56
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Re: ظNetBurst microarchitecture [message #175980 ] Di, 14 Mrz 2006 14:16
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ظNetBurst microarchitecture [message #175981 ] Di, 14 Mrz 2006 15:17
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XBOX 360 õ IBM PowerPC ģỵ̈߳Ƶ
3.2G

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ظNetBurst microarchitecture [message #175982 ] Di, 14 Mrz 2006 15:19
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ֻûг̼߳˵ӽĿǰ Pentium EE Pentium D
ϵCeleron ǹΪ򵥵ĵͶ CPU Ʒܲһֻͣ
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Re: ظNetBurst microarchitecture [message #175983 ] Di, 14 Mrz 2006 15:26
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RE: 回复:NetBurst microarchitectur [message #175984 ] Di, 14 Mrz 2006 16:10
Eius  
为什么首个双核不直接采用 pentium-m的架构,而是非要 推出smithfield--两个单核心,而且首个四核听说 也是 两个 /core
架构内核的简单组合,这样做,既没有竞争力 ,又浪费了资源。而不是真正意义上的四核心 ?为什么不一步到位呢?


“Alexis”编写:

> NetBurst 架构当然不是一无是处了,Intel CPU 从 2000 年到今天的迅猛发展,
> 无不得益于 NetBurst 架构的成果。
> NetBurst 主要的特点是它拥有的超长 20 级流水线,从而带来的工作频率大幅度
> 提升,从 Willamette 的 1.4G 一直到今日的 3.8G 主频,NetBurst 带来了几倍
> 的工作频率增长。此外,NetBurst 还成功地引入了 SSE3、超线程、EMT64、双核
> 心等新技术,这些都是应该肯定的。
> NetBurst 超长流水线虽然带来了更高的频率,但是也使 得分支预测失败后流水线
> 指令清空和重新加载所需要的周期大为延长, 同时 CPU 发热量也有了显著提升。
> 因此,从 NetBurst 开始 CPU 的性能提升不再与主频完全成正比例关系,这 就是
> 世人指责 NetBurst 的焦点所在。
>
> Intel 下一代 CPU 的新架构将凭借精简的 14 条流水线、每时钟周期四条指令、
> 统一式的缓存等特性面向用户,这种架构更类 似以前的 Pentium M 产品,而不再
> 是 NetBurst。新架构并非完全没有保留 NetBurst 架构的特点,毕竟 NetBurst
> 还是有可取之处的,优点还要保留。超线程技 术、虚拟化技术等原 NetBurst 架
> 构的优点都在新架构中保留下来。
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> | 请问:NetBurst 架构饱受非议,难道真的一无是处么?他的优 点和创新是什么?Core
> 架构就没有一点吸取 netburst 的长处么?
>
>
>
Re: 回复:NetBurst microarchitectur [message #175985 ] Di, 14 Mrz 2006 16:13
Eius  
我听说据说是因为超线程技术对没有对性能的 提升有多大作用,有时反而会降低。所以很多 计算机厂商在电脑出厂时,计算机的超线程功 能都是默认关闭的。

而且听说早在上个世纪九十年代中期,超线程 技术就已经成熟,intel 就打算在 pengium 中添加超线程的功能,最后因为没有与微软达 成一致,在
wintel 的联盟下没有早产,直到pentium4 中才出现。


“??”编写:

> 在太平洋上看到一则新闻说 Intel要放弃超线程技术,这又是为什么么呢
>
>
>
Re: 回复:NetBurst microarchitectur [message #175989 ] Di, 14 Mrz 2006 16:30
Eius  
cell 能不能用在台式机里?好像功能很强大的,比 intel好


“chta3389”编写:

> 在微软和任天堂刚出的游戏机当中据说已经已 经分别使用了8核心和4核心的处理器.其中有一 款是由IBM系列的
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Re: ظNetBurst microarchitecture [message #175990 ] Di, 14 Mrz 2006 17:01
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"Eius" <Eius [at] discussions.microsoft.com> дϢ:ECE37793-4446-442F-90D3-C775EF5026FC [at] microsoft.com...
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>
> ˵ϸ;ʮڣ̼߳Ѿ죬inte l ʹ
> pengium ӳ̵߳ĹܣΪû΢һ£
> wintel ûֱpentium4 вų֡
>
>
> ??д
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>> ̫ƽϿһ˵ IntelҪ̼߳Ϊʲôô
>>
>>
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Re: ظNetBurst microarchitecture [message #175991 ] Di, 14 Mrz 2006 17:03
sucirst  
Ӳ໥ ҾcellҪռһķݶŵõȵlinuxռһ вwindowsгݶ Ǻ


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> cell ̨ܲʽܺǿģintel
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>
> chta3389д
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>> ΢øճϷо˵ѾѾֱʹ8ĺ4 ĵĴ.һIBMϵе
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ظNetBurst microarchitecture [message #175996 ] Mi, 15 Mrz 2006 04:41
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˭˵ 64 λƷûﰡк֧ܶ EM64T D ˡ D
351346341331326ⲻ 64 λô

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ظNetBurst microarchitecture [message #175997 ] Mi, 15 Mrz 2006 04:51
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ؼһʼDz֪ Smithfield Ʒƴܲ⣬ʱ
Intel һ׷ AMD һ׷ѣƷкŷ Smithfield ƴ
ȱݡIntel һʼ֪ Smithfield ⣬Dzȱ
IJƷͶгģֻԼԼӡ˵AMD ˫˲ƷҲ
ֹ۲ Intel ȱݺƳԼķġ

Intel ҲѾ˸ƲƷķΪ Conroe һ˫˲Ʒ
׸еIJ㣬˫ĺ˲Ʒ Smithfield Ľṹ
е Pentium EE Pentium D ͲӦµˣΪ Pentium Ʒ
ᱻ𽥷Ҫ Intel ˫˲ƷĻõȵ Pentium EE
Pentium D ȫгֱӹ Conroe

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Re: ظNetBurst microarchitecture [message #176002 ] Mi, 15 Mrz 2006 10:49
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ĿǰѾ512KB L2 cacheD,Ȼ̫ܲ,һάCP U1/4cache ""ͳ

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Re: ظNetBurst microarchitecture [message #176003 ] Mi, 15 Mrz 2006 13:54
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> ˭˵ 64 λƷûﰡк֧ܶ EM64T D ˡ D
> 351346341331326ⲻ 64 λô
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ظNetBurst microarchitecture [message #176004 ] Mi, 15 Mrz 2006 15:01
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˫˵IJƷͲ˵ˣCeleron Pentium һƷ Intel
ѾҪ Pentium Ʒƣ֪᲻ Celeron ȥ˵

Intel ϶ϸָеͶгģ㽫Ͷ˲Ʒٽ Celeron
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Re: ظNetBurst microarchitecture [message #176005 ] Mi, 15 Mrz 2006 15:33
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> ˫˵IJƷͲ˵ˣCeleron Pentium һƷ Intel
> ѾҪ Pentium Ʒƣ֪᲻ Celeron ȥ˵
>
> Intel ϶ϸָеͶгģ㽫Ͷ˲Ʒٽ Celeron
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