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Culture & Politics » talk.politics.china » CCTV-9
| CCTV-9 [message #179546] |
Sa, 25 März 2006 17:23 |
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I have a question about the CCTV-9 English-language news channel
I get on my local American cable system.
I'll watch its international news coverage and they have no problem
reporting about elections in various countries, or opposition
parties' positions relative to official government positions. But
then in China any mention of democracy, elections, or oppositions
is ruthlessly suppressed. So how does China reconcile its refusal
to allow even discussion of democracy within its territory with
its reporting on democratic elections in other countries?
And of course I'd like to know whether CCTV-9 is actually watched
by Chinese within China. Is it simply a translation of the regular
CCTV Chinese-language broadcast, or is it aimed at foreigners? In
other words, are the references to elections and opposition parties
mentioned in the domestic broadcasts?
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| Re: CCTV-9 [message #179551 ] |
Sa, 25 März 2006 22:08 |
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My messages tend to vanish when alt.culture.china is cc'ed so I didn't
catch that cc and am rewriting my response - now it's much longer, lucky
reader(s):
CCTV-9 actually doesn't give you the goriest details that is available
on Sinovision because it's like a baby channel which is why they repeat
throughout the day like 1010 WINS and NY1. I like it because it's in my
language and I get to see Chinese faces speaking English but without
that loud glamour found in some Asian American presentations (Non North
American Westernized Asians seem to be styled for a more peaceful visual.)
What do real Chinese know? Crime, corruption and the tightening of the
international noose.
If you want to know what real Chinese get from Mainland news then check
Epoch Times for all the bad news on Mainland with all the gorey details
that they plagiarized from Mainland reports and added their own
fantastic yellow and purple trucker hat spin on it for English readers.
Shh, by the skin of my teeth I managed to smuggle this nugget of
information out!
Real Chinese who watch the news and buy nonxinhua newspapers do get to
read bad news, the future of democracy and elections are discussed along
with all the other problems which is why from that perspective, there
are a lot of things the government needs to do and elections won't solve
the big ones but these real Chinese don't read Epoch so they have no
idea - they just think FLG is creepy and nobody wants them in their
parades. Do you think Mainland has paid overseas Chinese to feel that
way? Commies don't pay but maybe they've got a bird in every tree. I
have no idea. I don't think Mainland pays each and every overseas
Chinese who feels negatively about FLG (I wouldn't be surprised if
nonvested Chinese 100% think FLG is bullcrap). FLG dislike in the
Overseas Chinese communities is really about not caring about
appearances and cutting to the chase that they don't want FLG involved.
It's pretty funny to watch and it's pretty dangerous too because it
means that the people who express their criticisms are brushing aside
the right of religious freedom and not bothering with providing evidence
to bar FLG from parades - they just think it's creepy and don't want it
ruining their parades. And I think that has to piss off the American
government because all these freedoms and transparancies are promised
and delivered that make USA still the most desired destination for
immigrants and now that you're here, you refuse it to others. That's
putting it nicely. The overseas Chinese who object (I don't object but
I don't like being in an overseas Chinese crowd of people anyway so FLG
presence or absence is the same to me) - the ones who object would argue
that this FLG isn't on the up and up, that they're fishy, they can't
prove it but they don't even want to bother with proving it.
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| Re: CCTV-9 [message #179552 ] |
Sa, 25 März 2006 22:17 |
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And CCTV9 and Asian business news is the only places you can see Asian
MALE faces on tv!
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| Re: CCTV-9 [message #179553 ] |
Sa, 25 März 2006 22:17 |
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And CCTV9 and Asian business news is the only places you can see Asian
MALE faces on tv just doing their jobs.
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| Re: CCTV-9 [message #179554 ] |
Sa, 25 März 2006 22:21 |
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goodgutgut [at] yahoo.com wrote:
> And CCTV9 and Asian business news is the only places you can see Asian
> MALE faces on tv just doing their jobs.
>
oh yeah and on Bloomberg which I don't watch because there are too many
things on the screen.
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| Re: CCTV-9 [message #179599 ] |
So, 26 März 2006 10:00 |
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If you want to know the content of Mainland news for Chinese in
putonghua, you need only look to FLG's EPOCH TIMES which translates all
the bad news that Mainland has no problem reporting and stirs in their
own fantastic yellow and purple trucker hat spin. I think it's
interesting that no one calls Epoch on their plagiarism but real
Chinese people who read Chinese news and watch Chinese news, don't read
Epoch so they have no idea. To a lesser degree, SCMP has spun since
handover. It's really not the same as Chinese news which does give you
the grim news on the future of elections and the condition of the
masses. We've never read the officially Mainland paper and my mother
wasn't even allowed to listen to Communist songs so we don't have the
training to see Mainland through rose colored glasses and we've heard
lots of bad news.
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| Re: CCTV-9 [message #179600 ] |
So, 26 März 2006 10:00 |
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it is funny,some democrats of china do not like CCTV-9,because they think
CCTV-9 is simply a translation of the regular
CCTV Chinese-language broadcast,as you think so.
"Orange Sunshine" <vial [at] clearliquid.com>
??????:K5MUf.5041$tN3.2177 [at] newssvr27.news.prodigy.net...
>I have a question about the CCTV-9 English-language news channel
> I get on my local American cable system.
>
> I'll watch its international news coverage and they have no problem
> reporting about elections in various countries, or opposition
> parties' positions relative to official government positions. But
> then in China any mention of democracy, elections, or oppositions
> is ruthlessly suppressed. So how does China reconcile its refusal
> to allow even discussion of democracy within its territory with
> its reporting on democratic elections in other countries?
>
> And of course I'd like to know whether CCTV-9 is actually watched
> by Chinese within China. Is it simply a translation of the regular
> CCTV Chinese-language broadcast, or is it aimed at foreigners? In
> other words, are the references to elections and opposition parties
> mentioned in the domestic broadcasts?
---
Posted via news://freenews.netfront.net
Complaints to news [at] netfront.net
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| Re: CCTV-9 [message #179601 ] |
So, 26 März 2006 10:01 |
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Orange Sunshine wrote:
> I have a question about the CCTV-9 English-language news channel
> I get on my local American cable system.
>
> I'll watch its international news coverage and they have no problem
> reporting about elections in various countries, or opposition
> parties' positions relative to official government positions. But
> then in China any mention of democracy, elections, or oppositions
> is ruthlessly suppressed. So how does China reconcile its refusal
> to allow even discussion of democracy within its territory with
> its reporting on democratic elections in other countries?
>
> And of course I'd like to know whether CCTV-9 is actually watched
> by Chinese within China. Is it simply a translation of the regular
> CCTV Chinese-language broadcast, or is it aimed at foreigners? In
> other words, are the references to elections and opposition parties
> mentioned in the domestic broadcasts?
CCTV-9 was available to anyone in Guangzhou in 2003, and in Beijing in
November, 2005.
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| Re: CCTV-9 [message #179699 ] |
Mo, 27 März 2006 06:21 |
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ggg wrote...
> If you want to know what real Chinese get from Mainland news then check
> Epoch Times for all the bad news on Mainland with all the gorey details
> that they plagiarized from Mainland reports and added their own
> fantastic yellow and purple trucker hat spin on it for English readers.
I've read the Epoch Times, I always wondered who published it and
what their agenda was. They are always telling how their stories
are censored in China, and lately they've been claiming to be a
victim of Chinese government harassment in San Francisco, suggesting
that the murder of a prominent Chinatown businessman was the work
of pro-communist sympathizers.
But I was under the impression that the Chinese media never reported
any bad news. If CCTV-9 is any indication, everything is rosy in
China and there are no natural or manmade disasters, serial killers,
or anything except stock market reports and cultural events. I
even heard that until a few years ago the weather reports were
censored, that the temperature forecasts were outright lies. But
to be fair, NHK news from Japan was the same, benign cultural and
business stories and never any mention of all the serial killers.
------------------------------------------------------------ -
"Everything faded away into a shadow-world in which, finally,
even the date of the year had become uncertain."
-- 1984
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| Re: CCTV-9 [message #179724 ] |
Mo, 27 März 2006 10:02 |
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<goodgutgut [at] yahoo.com> wrote in message =
news:1143319003.180427.262860 [at] g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> If you want to know the content of Mainland news for Chinese in
> putonghua, you need only look to FLG's EPOCH TIMES which translates =
all
> the bad news that Mainland has no problem reporting and stirs in their
> own fantastic yellow and purple trucker hat spin. I think it's
> interesting that no one calls Epoch on their plagiarism but real
> Chinese people who read Chinese news and watch Chinese news, don't =
read
> Epoch so they have no idea. To a lesser degree, SCMP has spun since
> handover. It's really not the same as Chinese news which does give =
you
> the grim news on the future of elections and the condition of the
> masses. We've never read the officially Mainland paper and my mother
> wasn't even allowed to listen to Communist songs so we don't have the
> training to see Mainland through rose colored glasses and we've heard
> lots of bad news.
>
The FLG movement started some years ago here in Denmark, and =
although their demonstrations have been peaceful throughout the country, =
their methods of recruitment have not been so docile. They have started =
posting themselves outside Chinese supermarkets to hand out their Epoch =
Times and ask for donations, and their methods of making you talk to =
them have been very aggressive and not the least bit pleasant. They =
would insist that you give them your name and address as well, no doubt =
to knock on your door a la Jehovah's Witnesses. Ever since I heard of =
Epoch Times here in this newsgroup, I actually got one and took it home =
to read. Well, it was like reading any other religious magazines, except =
that this concentrated itself in showing the plight of the Chinese FLG =
members in China with graphic pictures of dubious origins. I find =
propaganda distasteful no matter from whom they come.
J.
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| Re: CCTV-9 [message #179725 ] |
Mo, 27 März 2006 10:02 |
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hi, I am a chinese , it is not easy explain to you very clear.
Most chinese people not really care about political thing. And , chinese
really not suit for the democracy.
CCTV nerver avoid report democracy in other country , and they say , china
will build democracy in future , but not now. Now ,chinese is not ready.
For my opinon , it is ture .
did you have a msn ID , we can discuss more . :)
---
Posted via news://freenews.netfront.net
Complaints to news [at] netfront.net
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| Re: CCTV-9 [message #179872 ] |
Di, 28 März 2006 09:22 |
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"bbxlp" <bbxlp [at] bbxlp.com> wrote in message =
news:e07evc$fua$1 [at] adenine.netfront.net...
> hi, I am a chinese , it is not easy explain to you very clear.
> Most chinese people not really care about political thing. And , =
chinese
> really not suit for the democracy.
> CCTV nerver avoid report democracy in other country , and they say , =
china
> will build democracy in future , but not now. Now ,chinese is not =
ready.
> For my opinon , it is ture .
> did you have a msn ID , we can discuss more . :)
>=20
Someone in this newsgroup has been persistently claiming for over 20 =
years that the Chinese government is oppressing the Chinese people. What =
do you say to that? He says that freedom of speech does not exist in =
China. What do you say to that? He says that Democracy should be imposed =
now. You have answered that question. Someone here also said that =
members of the Falung Gong are being imprisoned without trials and are =
executed for the sale of their internal organs. What do you say to that?
J.
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| Re: CCTV-9 [message #179951 ] |
Mi, 29 März 2006 08:58 |
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If it's bad news from the Mainland, the reaction by Overseas Chinese is
"probably." It's the unpragmatic and dishonestly presented solutions
and the spin offered by international media that alienates and
effectively silences ordinary Chinese.
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| Re: CCTV-9 [message #179952 ] |
Mi, 29 März 2006 08:58 |
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This is the first time in YEARS that alt.culture.china let one of my
posts in. How come?
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| Re: CCTV-9 [message #182218 ] |
Sa, 25 März 2006 22:08 |
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My messages tend to vanish when alt.culture.china is cc'ed so I didn't
catch that cc and am rewriting my response - now it's much longer, lucky
reader(s):
CCTV-9 actually doesn't give you the goriest details that is available
on Sinovision because it's like a baby channel which is why they repeat
throughout the day like 1010 WINS and NY1. I like it because it's in my
language and I get to see Chinese faces speaking English but without
that loud glamour found in some Asian American presentations (Non North
American Westernized Asians seem to be styled for a more peaceful visual.)
What do real Chinese know? Crime, corruption and the tightening of the
international noose.
If you want to know what real Chinese get from Mainland news then check
Epoch Times for all the bad news on Mainland with all the gorey details
that they plagiarized from Mainland reports and added their own
fantastic yellow and purple trucker hat spin on it for English readers.
Shh, by the skin of my teeth I managed to smuggle this nugget of
information out!
Real Chinese who watch the news and buy nonxinhua newspapers do get to
read bad news, the future of democracy and elections are discussed along
with all the other problems which is why from that perspective, there
are a lot of things the government needs to do and elections won't solve
the big ones but these real Chinese don't read Epoch so they have no
idea - they just think FLG is creepy and nobody wants them in their
parades. Do you think Mainland has paid overseas Chinese to feel that
way? Commies don't pay but maybe they've got a bird in every tree. I
have no idea. I don't think Mainland pays each and every overseas
Chinese who feels negatively about FLG (I wouldn't be surprised if
nonvested Chinese 100% think FLG is bullcrap). FLG dislike in the
Overseas Chinese communities is really about not caring about
appearances and cutting to the chase that they don't want FLG involved.
It's pretty funny to watch and it's pretty dangerous too because it
means that the people who express their criticisms are brushing aside
the right of religious freedom and not bothering with providing evidence
to bar FLG from parades - they just think it's creepy and don't want it
ruining their parades. And I think that has to piss off the American
government because all these freedoms and transparancies are promised
and delivered that make USA still the most desired destination for
immigrants and now that you're here, you refuse it to others. That's
putting it nicely. The overseas Chinese who object (I don't object but
I don't like being in an overseas Chinese crowd of people anyway so FLG
presence or absence is the same to me) - the ones who object would argue
that this FLG isn't on the up and up, that they're fishy, they can't
prove it but they don't even want to bother with proving it.
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| Re: CCTV-9 [message #182222 ] |
Sa, 25 März 2006 22:17 |
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And CCTV9 and Asian business news is the only places you can see Asian
MALE faces on tv!
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| Re: CCTV-9 [message #182223 ] |
Sa, 25 März 2006 22:17 |
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And CCTV9 and Asian business news is the only places you can see Asian
MALE faces on tv just doing their jobs.
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| Re: CCTV-9 [message #182226 ] |
Sa, 25 März 2006 22:21 |
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goodgutgut [at] yahoo.com wrote:
> And CCTV9 and Asian business news is the only places you can see Asian
> MALE faces on tv just doing their jobs.
>
oh yeah and on Bloomberg which I don't watch because there are too many
things on the screen.
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| Re: CCTV-9 [message #182302 ] |
So, 26 März 2006 10:00 |
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If you want to know the content of Mainland news for Chinese in
putonghua, you need only look to FLG's EPOCH TIMES which translates all
the bad news that Mainland has no problem reporting and stirs in their
own fantastic yellow and purple trucker hat spin. I think it's
interesting that no one calls Epoch on their plagiarism but real
Chinese people who read Chinese news and watch Chinese news, don't read
Epoch so they have no idea. To a lesser degree, SCMP has spun since
handover. It's really not the same as Chinese news which does give you
the grim news on the future of elections and the condition of the
masses. We've never read the officially Mainland paper and my mother
wasn't even allowed to listen to Communist songs so we don't have the
training to see Mainland through rose colored glasses and we've heard
lots of bad news.
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| Re: CCTV-9 [message #182303 ] |
So, 26 März 2006 10:00 |
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it is funny,some democrats of china do not like CCTV-9,because they think
CCTV-9 is simply a translation of the regular
CCTV Chinese-language broadcast,as you think so.
"Orange Sunshine" <vial [at] clearliquid.com>
??????:K5MUf.5041$tN3.2177 [at] newssvr27.news.prodigy.net...
>I have a question about the CCTV-9 English-language news channel
> I get on my local American cable system.
>
> I'll watch its international news coverage and they have no problem
> reporting about elections in various countries, or opposition
> parties' positions relative to official government positions. But
> then in China any mention of democracy, elections, or oppositions
> is ruthlessly suppressed. So how does China reconcile its refusal
> to allow even discussion of democracy within its territory with
> its reporting on democratic elections in other countries?
>
> And of course I'd like to know whether CCTV-9 is actually watched
> by Chinese within China. Is it simply a translation of the regular
> CCTV Chinese-language broadcast, or is it aimed at foreigners? In
> other words, are the references to elections and opposition parties
> mentioned in the domestic broadcasts?
---
Posted via news://freenews.netfront.net
Complaints to news [at] netfront.net
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| Re: CCTV-9 [message #182304 ] |
So, 26 März 2006 10:01 |
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Orange Sunshine wrote:
> I have a question about the CCTV-9 English-language news channel
> I get on my local American cable system.
>
> I'll watch its international news coverage and they have no problem
> reporting about elections in various countries, or opposition
> parties' positions relative to official government positions. But
> then in China any mention of democracy, elections, or oppositions
> is ruthlessly suppressed. So how does China reconcile its refusal
> to allow even discussion of democracy within its territory with
> its reporting on democratic elections in other countries?
>
> And of course I'd like to know whether CCTV-9 is actually watched
> by Chinese within China. Is it simply a translation of the regular
> CCTV Chinese-language broadcast, or is it aimed at foreigners? In
> other words, are the references to elections and opposition parties
> mentioned in the domestic broadcasts?
CCTV-9 was available to anyone in Guangzhou in 2003, and in Beijing in
November, 2005.
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| Re: CCTV-9 [message #182559 ] |
Mo, 27 März 2006 06:21 |
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ggg wrote...
> If you want to know what real Chinese get from Mainland news then check
> Epoch Times for all the bad news on Mainland with all the gorey details
> that they plagiarized from Mainland reports and added their own
> fantastic yellow and purple trucker hat spin on it for English readers.
I've read the Epoch Times, I always wondered who published it and
what their agenda was. They are always telling how their stories
are censored in China, and lately they've been claiming to be a
victim of Chinese government harassment in San Francisco, suggesting
that the murder of a prominent Chinatown businessman was the work
of pro-communist sympathizers.
But I was under the impression that the Chinese media never reported
any bad news. If CCTV-9 is any indication, everything is rosy in
China and there are no natural or manmade disasters, serial killers,
or anything except stock market reports and cultural events. I
even heard that until a few years ago the weather reports were
censored, that the temperature forecasts were outright lies. But
to be fair, NHK news from Japan was the same, benign cultural and
business stories and never any mention of all the serial killers.
------------------------------------------------------------ -
"Everything faded away into a shadow-world in which, finally,
even the date of the year had become uncertain."
-- 1984
------------------------------------------------------------ -
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| Re: CCTV-9 [message #182611 ] |
Mo, 27 März 2006 10:02 |
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<goodgutgut [at] yahoo.com> wrote in message =
news:1143319003.180427.262860 [at] g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> If you want to know the content of Mainland news for Chinese in
> putonghua, you need only look to FLG's EPOCH TIMES which translates =
all
> the bad news that Mainland has no problem reporting and stirs in their
> own fantastic yellow and purple trucker hat spin. I think it's
> interesting that no one calls Epoch on their plagiarism but real
> Chinese people who read Chinese news and watch Chinese news, don't =
read
> Epoch so they have no idea. To a lesser degree, SCMP has spun since
> handover. It's really not the same as Chinese news which does give =
you
> the grim news on the future of elections and the condition of the
> masses. We've never read the officially Mainland paper and my mother
> wasn't even allowed to listen to Communist songs so we don't have the
> training to see Mainland through rose colored glasses and we've heard
> lots of bad news.
>
The FLG movement started some years ago here in Denmark, and =
although their demonstrations have been peaceful throughout the country, =
their methods of recruitment have not been so docile. They have started =
posting themselves outside Chinese supermarkets to hand out their Epoch =
Times and ask for donations, and their methods of making you talk to =
them have been very aggressive and not the least bit pleasant. They =
would insist that you give them your name and address as well, no doubt =
to knock on your door a la Jehovah's Witnesses. Ever since I heard of =
Epoch Times here in this newsgroup, I actually got one and took it home =
to read. Well, it was like reading any other religious magazines, except =
that this concentrated itself in showing the plight of the Chinese FLG =
members in China with graphic pictures of dubious origins. I find =
propaganda distasteful no matter from whom they come.
J.
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| Re: CCTV-9 [message #182612 ] |
Mo, 27 März 2006 10:02 |
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hi, I am a chinese , it is not easy explain to you very clear.
Most chinese people not really care about political thing. And , chinese
really not suit for the democracy.
CCTV nerver avoid report democracy in other country , and they say , china
will build democracy in future , but not now. Now ,chinese is not ready.
For my opinon , it is ture .
did you have a msn ID , we can discuss more . :)
---
Posted via news://freenews.netfront.net
Complaints to news [at] netfront.net
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| Re: CCTV-9 [message #182864 ] |
Di, 28 März 2006 09:22 |
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"bbxlp" <bbxlp [at] bbxlp.com> wrote in message =
news:e07evc$fua$1 [at] adenine.netfront.net...
> hi, I am a chinese , it is not easy explain to you very clear.
> Most chinese people not really care about political thing. And , =
chinese
> really not suit for the democracy.
> CCTV nerver avoid report democracy in other country , and they say , =
china
> will build democracy in future , but not now. Now ,chinese is not =
ready.
> For my opinon , it is ture .
> did you have a msn ID , we can discuss more . :)
>=20
Someone in this newsgroup has been persistently claiming for over 20 =
years that the Chinese government is oppressing the Chinese people. What =
do you say to that? He says that freedom of speech does not exist in =
China. What do you say to that? He says that Democracy should be imposed =
now. You have answered that question. Someone here also said that =
members of the Falung Gong are being imprisoned without trials and are =
executed for the sale of their internal organs. What do you say to that?
J.
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| Re: CCTV-9 [message #183087 ] |
Mi, 29 März 2006 09:51 |
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If it's bad news from the Mainland, the reaction by Overseas Chinese is
"probably." It's the unpragmatic and dishonestly presented solutions
and the spin offered by international media that alienates and
effectively silences ordinary Chinese.
|
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| Re: CCTV-9 [message #183088 ] |
Mi, 29 März 2006 09:51 |
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This is the first time in YEARS that alt.culture.china let one of my
posts in. How come?
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| Re: CCTV-9 [message #184099 ] |
Do, 30 März 2006 07:40 |
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goodgutgut [at] yahoo.com wrote...
> This is the first time in YEARS that alt.culture.china let one of my
> posts in. How come?
Hmm, are you posting from China? If so, it was an accident that
your post got through the censor bot.
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| Re: CCTV-9 [message #185146 ] |
Do, 30 März 2006 07:40 |
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goodgutgut [at] yahoo.com wrote...
> This is the first time in YEARS that alt.culture.china let one of my
> posts in. How come?
Hmm, are you posting from China? If so, it was an accident that
your post got through the censor bot.
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| Re: CCTV-9 [message #187546 ] |
Mi, 05 April 2006 21:13 |
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Time Warner cable didn't adjust the schedules for CCTV-9 and Asian
Business News to reflect daylight savings time!
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| Re: CCTV-9 [message #192535 ] |
Mo, 17 April 2006 17:54 |
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It is like that maybe only for you, but not for all Chinese people. A
lot of Chinese people do care about political issues and they do
discuss all kinds of topics on the Internet (try www.cat898.com).
Besides, some of them do think sooner or later China is going to adopt
some "western model".
You don't really know anything so don't talk in behalf of 1.3 billion
people.
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| Re: CCTV-9 [message #193314 ] |
Mo, 17 April 2006 17:54 |
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It is like that maybe only for you, but not for all Chinese people. A
lot of Chinese people do care about political issues and they do
discuss all kinds of topics on the Internet (try www.cat898.com).
Besides, some of them do think sooner or later China is going to adopt
some "western model".
You don't really know anything so don't talk in behalf of 1.3 billion
people.
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| Re: CCTV-9 [message #195153 ] |
Di, 18 April 2006 09:46 |
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Yes, I totally agree with what you said. If CCP is not good, FLG can
only be much worse. And don't forget, FLG people were educated by the
CCP too. They totally know how to fight against CCP: they try to get
support from overseas. They certainly use the two keywords "freedom"
and "religion" a lot, but what they do does not really match what they
say. These people keep bothering you in all sorts of ways: messenger,
e-mail, newspaper, students even sometimes find CD's and letters in
their open mailboxes at school (even in the U.S. and Europe). Their
free so-called "newspaper" is everywhere, just go to a Chinese grocery
store in the States and pick one, guess what, all things happenend or
happening in this world, even in the whole universe, are associated
with FLG people's "bright future" and CCP's "end of the world" . They
interpret almost every natural phenomena as a sign of that, too. It's
rediculous that a lot of western people are fooled by them. Just think
this way: it might be true that CCP always lies, but that does not mean
that FLG is the opposite. Last year, my friend, an European guy took
his mother with him to Washington, DC, and they saw some FLG people
practicing in public areas, center part of D.C.. And his mother said "I
don't know what the other people say about them, but it looks to me
that these people are showing off other than just excercising. Even for
religious purposes, why do they have to practice in this kind of
opening and crowded spaces? There are a lot of quiet and nice parks."
Besides, does anyone really think the CCP totally made it up and
actually hired or forced people to perform this "let's burn ourselves
to die on the square scene"? FLG people said so. I don't think so.
Think about it, even if, if someone force you to do so, wouldn't you
prefer to die another way other than burning yourself? How would one
agree to do that? Some FLG people said the burning is not real. All
right, then CCP people must be the best magicians in the world.
I knew in my hometown there used to be many people, especially old
people practicing FLG, but none of them died of an unclear reason or
got imprisoned. Sure there are FLG people in the prison, but I guess
only the top-level ones---and I'm not sure what they acutally did. What
I know is that FLG does say that you don't have to go to hospital, you
don't have to go see a doctor if you get sick, you only need to
practice FLG. And Li Hongzhi let his people to die in the square to
show their courage or whatever they claimed as to the government, why
didn't he do that to himself?
Certainly a lot of Chinese people want freedom, want democracy, want a
stronger richer country. But please don't encourage them to risk their
lives by jumping into another trap!
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| Re: CCTV-9 [message #195492 ] |
Di, 18 April 2006 09:46 |
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Yes, I totally agree with what you said. If CCP is not good, FLG can
only be much worse. And don't forget, FLG people were educated by the
CCP too. They totally know how to fight against CCP: they try to get
support from overseas. They certainly use the two keywords "freedom"
and "religion" a lot, but what they do does not really match what they
say. These people keep bothering you in all sorts of ways: messenger,
e-mail, newspaper, students even sometimes find CD's and letters in
their open mailboxes at school (even in the U.S. and Europe). Their
free so-called "newspaper" is everywhere, just go to a Chinese grocery
store in the States and pick one, guess what, all things happenend or
happening in this world, even in the whole universe, are associated
with FLG people's "bright future" and CCP's "end of the world" . They
interpret almost every natural phenomena as a sign of that, too. It's
rediculous that a lot of western people are fooled by them. Just think
this way: it might be true that CCP always lies, but that does not mean
that FLG is the opposite. Last year, my friend, an European guy took
his mother with him to Washington, DC, and they saw some FLG people
practicing in public areas, center part of D.C.. And his mother said "I
don't know what the other people say about them, but it looks to me
that these people are showing off other than just excercising. Even for
religious purposes, why do they have to practice in this kind of
opening and crowded spaces? There are a lot of quiet and nice parks."
Besides, does anyone really think the CCP totally made it up and
actually hired or forced people to perform this "let's burn ourselves
to die on the square scene"? FLG people said so. I don't think so.
Think about it, even if, if someone force you to do so, wouldn't you
prefer to die another way other than burning yourself? How would one
agree to do that? Some FLG people said the burning is not real. All
right, then CCP people must be the best magicians in the world.
I knew in my hometown there used to be many people, especially old
people practicing FLG, but none of them died of an unclear reason or
got imprisoned. Sure there are FLG people in the prison, but I guess
only the top-level ones---and I'm not sure what they acutally did. What
I know is that FLG does say that you don't have to go to hospital, you
don't have to go see a doctor if you get sick, you only need to
practice FLG. And Li Hongzhi let his people to die in the square to
show their courage or whatever they claimed as to the government, why
didn't he do that to himself?
Certainly a lot of Chinese people want freedom, want democracy, want a
stronger richer country. But please don't encourage them to risk their
lives by jumping into another trap!
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| Re: CCTV-9 [message #196187 ] |
Do, 20 April 2006 08:53 |
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we have some falunggong members here in hamburg university,and they are
very nice and intelligent people i think.my friends and i we were
invited to come to lecture they gave in university and we think their
basic ideas are very good,but owever they teach that people must not do
things to oppose the course of universal events,like jahova witnesses,
so in the end falung gong people will be slaves of foreign power.i
think this is reason why chinese government will not want all chinese
people to become falunggong members just to oppose government and to
become zombies for foreign power.
Faye schrieb:
> Yes, I totally agree with what you said. If CCP is not good, FLG can
> only be much worse. And don't forget, FLG people were educated by the
> CCP too. They totally know how to fight against CCP: they try to get
> support from overseas. They certainly use the two keywords "freedom"
> and "religion" a lot, but what they do does not really match what they
> say. These people keep bothering you in all sorts of ways: messenger,
> e-mail, newspaper, students even sometimes find CD's and letters in
> their open mailboxes at school (even in the U.S. and Europe). Their
> free so-called "newspaper" is everywhere, just go to a Chinese grocery
> store in the States and pick one, guess what, all things happenend or
> happening in this world, even in the whole universe, are associated
> with FLG people's "bright future" and CCP's "end of the world" . They
> interpret almost every natural phenomena as a sign of that, too. It's
> rediculous that a lot of western people are fooled by them. Just think
> this way: it might be true that CCP always lies, but that does not mean
> that FLG is the opposite. Last year, my friend, an European guy took
> his mother with him to Washington, DC, and they saw some FLG people
> practicing in public areas, center part of D.C.. And his mother said "I
> don't know what the other people say about them, but it looks to me
> that these people are showing off other than just excercising. Even for
> religious purposes, why do they have to practice in this kind of
> opening and crowded spaces? There are a lot of quiet and nice parks."
>
> Besides, does anyone really think the CCP totally made it up and
> actually hired or forced people to perform this "let's burn ourselves
> to die on the square scene"? FLG people said so. I don't think so.
> Think about it, even if, if someone force you to do so, wouldn't you
> prefer to die another way other than burning yourself? How would one
> agree to do that? Some FLG people said the burning is not real. All
> right, then CCP people must be the best magicians in the world.
>
> I knew in my hometown there used to be many people, especially old
> people practicing FLG, but none of them died of an unclear reason or
> got imprisoned. Sure there are FLG people in the prison, but I guess
> only the top-level ones---and I'm not sure what they acutally did. What
> I know is that FLG does say that you don't have to go to hospital, you
> don't have to go see a doctor if you get sick, you only need to
> practice FLG. And Li Hongzhi let his people to die in the square to
> show their courage or whatever they claimed as to the government, why
> didn't he do that to himself?
>
> Certainly a lot of Chinese people want freedom, want democracy, want a
> stronger richer country. But please don't encourage them to risk their
> lives by jumping into another trap!
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| Re: CCTV-9 [message #196188 ] |
Do, 20 April 2006 08:53 |
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really one side bad does not mean the other side is good.
so outsiders have to get a brain to see what can be believed.
FLG are ex-CCP gangs,
because of their former position, their news are accuracy and fast,
for their own deeds, it has to be careful to see the motive to tell lies.
Faye wrote:
> Yes, I totally agree with what you said. If CCP is not good, FLG can
> only be much worse. And don't forget, FLG people were educated by the
> CCP too. They totally know how to fight against CCP: they try to get
> support from overseas. They certainly use the two keywords "freedom"
> and "religion" a lot, but what they do does not really match what they
> say. These people keep bothering you in all sorts of ways: messenger,
> e-mail, newspaper, students even sometimes find CD's and letters in
> their open mailboxes at school (even in the U.S. and Europe). Their
> free so-called "newspaper" is everywhere, just go to a Chinese grocery
> store in the States and pick one, guess what, all things happenend or
> happening in this world, even in the whole universe, are associated
> with FLG people's "bright future" and CCP's "end of the world" . They
> interpret almost every natural phenomena as a sign of that, too. It's
> rediculous that a lot of western people are fooled by them. Just think
> this way: it might be true that CCP always lies, but that does not mean
> that FLG is the opposite. Last year, my friend, an European guy took
> his mother with him to Washington, DC, and they saw some FLG people
> practicing in public areas, center part of D.C.. And his mother said "I
> don't know what the other people say about them, but it looks to me
> that these people are showing off other than just excercising. Even for
> religious purposes, why do they have to practice in this kind of
> opening and crowded spaces? There are a lot of quiet and nice parks."
>
> Besides, does anyone really think the CCP totally made it up and
> actually hired or forced people to perform this "let's burn ourselves
> to die on the square scene"? FLG people said so. I don't think so.
> Think about it, even if, if someone force you to do so, wouldn't you
> prefer to die another way other than burning yourself? How would one
> agree to do that? Some FLG people said the burning is not real. All
> right, then CCP people must be the best magicians in the world.
>
> I knew in my hometown there used to be many people, especially old
> people practicing FLG, but none of them died of an unclear reason or
> got imprisoned. Sure there are FLG people in the prison, but I guess
> only the top-level ones---and I'm not sure what they acutally did. What
> I know is that FLG does say that you don't have to go to hospital, you
> don't have to go see a doctor if you get sick, you only need to
> practice FLG. And Li Hongzhi let his people to die in the square to
> show their courage or whatever they claimed as to the government, why
> didn't he do that to himself?
>
> Certainly a lot of Chinese people want freedom, want democracy, want a
> stronger richer country. But please don't encourage them to risk their
> lives by jumping into another trap!
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| Re: CCTV-9 [message #197823 ] |
Do, 20 April 2006 08:53 |
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we have some falunggong members here in hamburg university,and they are
very nice and intelligent people i think.my friends and i we were
invited to come to lecture they gave in university and we think their
basic ideas are very good,but owever they teach that people must not do
things to oppose the course of universal events,like jahova witnesses,
so in the end falung gong people will be slaves of foreign power.i
think this is reason why chinese government will not want all chinese
people to become falunggong members just to oppose government and to
become zombies for foreign power.
Faye schrieb:
> Yes, I totally agree with what you said. If CCP is not good, FLG can
> only be much worse. And don't forget, FLG people were educated by the
> CCP too. They totally know how to fight against CCP: they try to get
> support from overseas. They certainly use the two keywords "freedom"
> and "religion" a lot, but what they do does not really match what they
> say. These people keep bothering you in all sorts of ways: messenger,
> e-mail, newspaper, students even sometimes find CD's and letters in
> their open mailboxes at school (even in the U.S. and Europe). Their
> free so-called "newspaper" is everywhere, just go to a Chinese grocery
> store in the States and pick one, guess what, all things happenend or
> happening in this world, even in the whole universe, are associated
> with FLG people's "bright future" and CCP's "end of the world" . They
> interpret almost every natural phenomena as a sign of that, too. It's
> rediculous that a lot of western people are fooled by them. Just think
> this way: it might be true that CCP always lies, but that does not mean
> that FLG is the opposite. Last year, my friend, an European guy took
> his mother with him to Washington, DC, and they saw some FLG people
> practicing in public areas, center part of D.C.. And his mother said "I
> don't know what the other people say about them, but it looks to me
> that these people are showing off other than just excercising. Even for
> religious purposes, why do they have to practice in this kind of
> opening and crowded spaces? There are a lot of quiet and nice parks."
>
> Besides, does anyone really think the CCP totally made it up and
> actually hired or forced people to perform this "let's burn ourselves
> to die on the square scene"? FLG people said so. I don't think so.
> Think about it, even if, if someone force you to do so, wouldn't you
> prefer to die another way other than burning yourself? How would one
> agree to do that? Some FLG people said the burning is not real. All
> right, then CCP people must be the best magicians in the world.
>
> I knew in my hometown there used to be many people, especially old
> people practicing FLG, but none of them died of an unclear reason or
> got imprisoned. Sure there are FLG people in the prison, but I guess
> only the top-level ones---and I'm not sure what they acutally did. What
> I know is that FLG does say that you don't have to go to hospital, you
> don't have to go see a doctor if you get sick, you only need to
> practice FLG. And Li Hongzhi let his people to die in the square to
> show their courage or whatever they claimed as to the government, why
> didn't he do that to himself?
>
> Certainly a lot of Chinese people want freedom, want democracy, want a
> stronger richer country. But please don't encourage them to risk their
> lives by jumping into another trap!
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| Re: CCTV-9 [message #197824 ] |
Do, 20 April 2006 08:53 |
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really one side bad does not mean the other side is good.
so outsiders have to get a brain to see what can be believed.
FLG are ex-CCP gangs,
because of their former position, their news are accuracy and fast,
for their own deeds, it has to be careful to see the motive to tell lies.
Faye wrote:
> Yes, I totally agree with what you said. If CCP is not good, FLG can
> only be much worse. And don't forget, FLG people were educated by the
> CCP too. They totally know how to fight against CCP: they try to get
> support from overseas. They certainly use the two keywords "freedom"
> and "religion" a lot, but what they do does not really match what they
> say. These people keep bothering you in all sorts of ways: messenger,
> e-mail, newspaper, students even sometimes find CD's and letters in
> their open mailboxes at school (even in the U.S. and Europe). Their
> free so-called "newspaper" is everywhere, just go to a Chinese grocery
> store in the States and pick one, guess what, all things happenend or
> happening in this world, even in the whole universe, are associated
> with FLG people's "bright future" and CCP's "end of the world" . They
> interpret almost every natural phenomena as a sign of that, too. It's
> rediculous that a lot of western people are fooled by them. Just think
> this way: it might be true that CCP always lies, but that does not mean
> that FLG is the opposite. Last year, my friend, an European guy took
> his mother with him to Washington, DC, and they saw some FLG people
> practicing in public areas, center part of D.C.. And his mother said "I
> don't know what the other people say about them, but it looks to me
> that these people are showing off other than just excercising. Even for
> religious purposes, why do they have to practice in this kind of
> opening and crowded spaces? There are a lot of quiet and nice parks."
>
> Besides, does anyone really think the CCP totally made it up and
> actually hired or forced people to perform this "let's burn ourselves
> to die on the square scene"? FLG people said so. I don't think so.
> Think about it, even if, if someone force you to do so, wouldn't you
> prefer to die another way other than burning yourself? How would one
> agree to do that? Some FLG people said the burning is not real. All
> right, then CCP people must be the best magicians in the world.
>
> I knew in my hometown there used to be many people, especially old
> people practicing FLG, but none of them died of an unclear reason or
> got imprisoned. Sure there are FLG people in the prison, but I guess
> only the top-level ones---and I'm not sure what they acutally did. What
> I know is that FLG does say that you don't have to go to hospital, you
> don't have to go see a doctor if you get sick, you only need to
> practice FLG. And Li Hongzhi let his people to die in the square to
> show their courage or whatever they claimed as to the government, why
> didn't he do that to himself?
>
> Certainly a lot of Chinese people want freedom, want democracy, want a
> stronger richer country. But please don't encourage them to risk their
> lives by jumping into another trap!
---
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| Re: CCTV-9 [message #214866 ] |
Fr, 23 Juni 2006 09:22 |
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IMHO, China does not even feel a need to apply the same news reporting to
themself as they do to others. Plus, you must remember that in Communist
Philosophy the people in another country benefit from a revolution, that is
to say, the peoples struggel ....yada, yada, yada....
Notice that it is the peoples struggle elsewhere and never at home. :)
hahahaha Rather transparent.
They don't care what you think. You and I are just the grease in the wheels
of the bike that carries them to point B.
Don in Las Vegas, www.mysecretvegas.com
"Orange Sunshine" <vial [at] clearliquid.com> wrote in message
news:K5MUf.5041$tN3.2177 [at] newssvr27.news.prodigy.net...
>I have a question about the CCTV-9 English-language news channel
> I get on my local American cable system.
>
> I'll watch its international news coverage and they have no problem
> reporting about elections in various countries, or opposition
> parties' positions relative to official government positions. But
> then in China any mention of democracy, elections, or oppositions
> is ruthlessly suppressed. So how does China reconcile its refusal
> to allow even discussion of democracy within its territory with
> its reporting on democratic elections in other countries?
>
> And of course I'd like to know whether CCTV-9 is actually watched
> by Chinese within China. Is it simply a translation of the regular
> CCTV Chinese-language broadcast, or is it aimed at foreigners? In
> other words, are the references to elections and opposition parties
> mentioned in the domestic broadcasts?
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| Re: CCTV-9 [message #217588 ] |
Fr, 23 Juni 2006 09:22 |
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IMHO, China does not even feel a need to apply the same news reporting to
themself as they do to others. Plus, you must remember that in Communist
Philosophy the people in another country benefit from a revolution, that is
to say, the peoples struggel ....yada, yada, yada....
Notice that it is the peoples struggle elsewhere and never at home. :)
hahahaha Rather transparent.
They don't care what you think. You and I are just the grease in the wheels
of the bike that carries them to point B.
Don in Las Vegas, www.mysecretvegas.com
"Orange Sunshine" <vial [at] clearliquid.com> wrote in message
news:K5MUf.5041$tN3.2177 [at] newssvr27.news.prodigy.net...
>I have a question about the CCTV-9 English-language news channel
> I get on my local American cable system.
>
> I'll watch its international news coverage and they have no problem
> reporting about elections in various countries, or opposition
> parties' positions relative to official government positions. But
> then in China any mention of democracy, elections, or oppositions
> is ruthlessly suppressed. So how does China reconcile its refusal
> to allow even discussion of democracy within its territory with
> its reporting on democratic elections in other countries?
>
> And of course I'd like to know whether CCTV-9 is actually watched
> by Chinese within China. Is it simply a translation of the regular
> CCTV Chinese-language broadcast, or is it aimed at foreigners? In
> other words, are the references to elections and opposition parties
> mentioned in the domestic broadcasts?
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