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Culture & Politics » soc.culture.china » No reason not to allow whaling for meat
No reason not to allow whaling for meat [message #216883] So, 18 Juni 2006 22:09
ltlee1  
http://www.crisscross.com/jp/news/374704

------------------------

POLITICS
2 pro-whaling countries join IWC
Monday, June 5, 2006 at 11:21 EDT

TOKYO - Two countries supporting Japan's bid to resume commercial
whaling - the Marshall Islands and Cambodia - have joined the
International Whaling Commission ahead of its decision-making plenary
session June 16-20, sources close to the commission said Monday.

[...]

------------------------

Whaling for food did not cause the near extinction of the giant marine
mammals. Rather, whaling to supply the industralizing western countries
was the cause. The whales were hunted down over the oceans for their
oil to fill the lamps which brightened the cities in the night time.
This, in turn, allowed the industrial engines of the western countries
to work night and day. At the height of whaling for oil, the peak
production of whale oil was about 20 million barrels (42 gallon/barrel)
a year according to
Re: No reason not to allow whaling for meat [message #216884 ] So, 18 Juni 2006 22:22
ltlee1  
Add other news group
ltlee1 wrote:
> http://www.crisscross.com/jp/news/374704
>
> ------------------------
>
> POLITICS
> 2 pro-whaling countries join IWC
> Monday, June 5, 2006 at 11:21 EDT
>
> TOKYO - Two countries supporting Japan's bid to resume commercial
> whaling - the Marshall Islands and Cambodia - have joined the
> International Whaling Commission ahead of its decision-making plenary
> session June 16-20, sources close to the commission said Monday.
>
> [...]
>
> ------------------------
>
> Whaling for food did not cause the near extinction of the giant marine
> mammals. Rather, whaling to supply the industralizing western countries
> was the cause. The whales were hunted down over the oceans for their
> oil to fill the lamps which brightened the cities in the night time.
> This, in turn, allowed the industrial engines of the western countries
> to work night and day. At the height of whaling for oil, the peak
> production of whale oil was about 20 million barrels (42 gallon/barrel)
> a year according to
Re: No reason not to allow whaling for meat [message #216893 ] Mo, 19 Juni 2006 00:46
Don H  
"ltlee1" <ltlee1 [at] hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1150662133.736533.14210 [at] y41g2000cwy.googlegroups.com...
> Add other news group
> ltlee1 wrote:
> > http://www.crisscross.com/jp/news/374704
> >
> > ------------------------
> >
> > POLITICS
> > 2 pro-whaling countries join IWC
> > Monday, June 5, 2006 at 11:21 EDT
> >
> > TOKYO - Two countries supporting Japan's bid to resume commercial
> > whaling - the Marshall Islands and Cambodia - have joined the
> > International Whaling Commission ahead of its decision-making plenary
> > session June 16-20, sources close to the commission said Monday.
> >
> > [...]
> >
> > ------------------------
> >
> > Whaling for food did not cause the near extinction of the giant marine
> > mammals. Rather, whaling to supply the industralizing western countries
> > was the cause. The whales were hunted down over the oceans for their
> > oil to fill the lamps which brightened the cities in the night time.
> > This, in turn, allowed the industrial engines of the western countries
> > to work night and day. At the height of whaling for oil, the peak
> > production of whale oil was about 20 million barrels (42 gallon/barrel)
> > a year according to
>
# True enough, but whaling as it originally occurred, was done in small
boats with hand-thrown harpoons - this was a risky business, as the whale
could smash your boat, with the crew drowning. Nowadays, the whale doesn't
have a chance.
Japan is seen as the key villain in this debate, but will the Japanese
starve to death if whaling ceased?
I doubt it; as "whale-flavoured" beef might substitute.
No one, not even the Japanese themselves, believe their whaling is now
done "for scientific purposes" - where are the published results?
So why persist with whaling, if the species are in danger of extinction?
Can this be proved, either way?
Of course, if extinction is unlikely, then there is, theoretically, no
good reason (except sentiment) why some whaling cannot occur.
Tradition? Whaling is a Japanese tradition, but is that sufficient
justification? Japan was once a feudal monarchy, but is now a democracy.
Times change.
However, democracy is, as democracy does - and if it can be proved that
vote-buying has occurred at the IWC, then should those votes be invalidated?
But who cares? Exterminate the whales! Just another species which we
humans have wiped out; as species vanish from our planet daily. Certainly,
once the whales are extinct, then whaling will cease.
Our turn will come - exterminate enough species, and the Balance of Nature
will be so upset that disaster will hasten our own end (already programmed,
due to global warming).
Re: No reason not to allow whaling for meat [message #216895 ] Mo, 19 Juni 2006 01:41
Fran  
ltlee1 wrote:
> Add other news group


You can't have whaling for meat at a meeting for whales. That's far too
confusing.

Fran
Re: No reason not to allow whaling for meat [message #216900 ] Mo, 19 Juni 2006 02:15
Little Johnny Howard  
Fran wrote:
> ltlee1 wrote:
> > Add other news group
>
> You can't have whaling for meat at a meeting for whales. That's far too
> confusing.

Stop wailing about whales.
Re: No reason not to allow whaling for meat [message #216916 ] Mo, 19 Juni 2006 02:50
Fran  
Little Johnny Howard wrote:
> Fran wrote:
> > ltlee1 wrote:
> > > Add other news group
> >
> > You can't have whaling for meat at a meeting for whales. That's far too
> > confusing.
>
> Stop wailing about whales.

Hale whales heal. Laws lash whale's slaw.

*I almost got there*. Two sentences with only the characters from
"whales".

"Slaw" is drawing a long harpoon though.

Fran
Re: No reason not to allow whaling for meat [message #216917 ] Mo, 19 Juni 2006 02:53
ltlee1  
Don H wrote:
> "ltlee1" <ltlee1 [at] hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1150662133.736533.14210 [at] y41g2000cwy.googlegroups.com...
> > Add other news group
> > ltlee1 wrote:
> > > http://www.crisscross.com/jp/news/374704
> > >
> > > ------------------------
> > >
> > > POLITICS
> > > 2 pro-whaling countries join IWC
> > > Monday, June 5, 2006 at 11:21 EDT
> > >
> > > TOKYO - Two countries supporting Japan's bid to resume commercial
> > > whaling - the Marshall Islands and Cambodia - have joined the
> > > International Whaling Commission ahead of its decision-making plenary
> > > session June 16-20, sources close to the commission said Monday.
> > >
> > > [...]
> > >
> > > ------------------------
> > >
> > > Whaling for food did not cause the near extinction of the giant marine
> > > mammals. Rather, whaling to supply the industralizing western countries
> > > was the cause. The whales were hunted down over the oceans for their
> > > oil to fill the lamps which brightened the cities in the night time.
> > > This, in turn, allowed the industrial engines of the western countries
> > > to work night and day. At the height of whaling for oil, the peak
> > > production of whale oil was about 20 million barrels (42 gallon/barrel)
> > > a year according to
> >
> # True enough, but whaling as it originally occurred, was done in small
> boats with hand-thrown harpoons - this was a risky business, as the whale
> could smash your boat, with the crew drowning. Nowadays, the whale doesn't
> have a chance.
> Japan is seen as the key villain in this debate, but will the Japanese
> starve to death if whaling ceased?

That is true.
But should any culture be allowed to superimposed its culinary standard
on another culture? Should the buddhist countries ban all meat if they
get powerful and such ban please their constituents ?

> I doubt it; as "whale-flavoured" beef might substitute.
> No one, not even the Japanese themselves, believe their whaling is now
> done "for scientific purposes" - where are the published results?

I think the Japanese have admitted that the real purpose is for meat,
not for research.

> So why persist with whaling, if the species are in danger of extinction?
> Can this be proved, either way?
> Of course, if extinction is unlikely, then there is, theoretically, no
> good reason (except sentiment) why some whaling cannot occur.
> Tradition? Whaling is a Japanese tradition, but is that sufficient
> justification? Japan was once a feudal monarchy, but is now a democracy.
> Times change.
> However, democracy is, as democracy does - and if it can be proved that
> vote-buying has occurred at the IWC, then should those votes be invalidated?
> But who cares? Exterminate the whales! Just another species which we
> humans have wiped out; as species vanish from our planet daily. Certainly,
> once the whales are extinct, then whaling will cease.

The point is that a limited amount of whaling won't cause the
extinction.

> Our turn will come - exterminate enough species, and the Balance of Nature
> will be so upset that disaster will hasten our own end (already programmed,
> due to global warming).
Re: No reason not to allow whaling for meat [message #216918 ] Mo, 19 Juni 2006 02:52
dechucka  
"Fran" <fran_beta [at] hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> Little Johnny Howard wrote:
>> Fran wrote:
>> > ltlee1 wrote:
>> > > Add other news group
>> >
>> > You can't have whaling for meat at a meeting for whales. That's far too
>> > confusing.
>>
>> Stop wailing about whales.
>
> Hale whales heal. Laws lash whale's slaw.
>
> *I almost got there*. Two sentences with only the characters from
> "whales".
>
> "Slaw" is drawing a long harpoon though.
>
> Fran


you do know the favourite song of the Japanese fleet is " Whale meat again
don't know where don't know when"
Re: No reason not to allow whaling for meat [message #216919 ] Mo, 19 Juni 2006 02:58
dechucka  
"ltlee1" <ltlee1 [at] hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> Don H wrote:
>> "ltlee1" <ltlee1 [at] hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:1150662133.736533.14210 [at] y41g2000cwy.googlegroups.com...
>> > Add other news group
>> > ltlee1 wrote:
>> > > http://www.crisscross.com/jp/news/374704
>> > >
>> > > ------------------------
>> > >
>> > > POLITICS
>> > > 2 pro-whaling countries join IWC
>> > > Monday, June 5, 2006 at 11:21 EDT
>> > >
>> > > TOKYO - Two countries supporting Japan's bid to resume commercial
>> > > whaling - the Marshall Islands and Cambodia - have joined the
>> > > International Whaling Commission ahead of its decision-making plenary
>> > > session June 16-20, sources close to the commission said Monday.
>> > >
>> > > [...]
>> > >
>> > > ------------------------
>> > >
>> > > Whaling for food did not cause the near extinction of the giant
>> > > marine
>> > > mammals. Rather, whaling to supply the industralizing western
>> > > countries
>> > > was the cause. The whales were hunted down over the oceans for their
>> > > oil to fill the lamps which brightened the cities in the night time.
>> > > This, in turn, allowed the industrial engines of the western
>> > > countries
>> > > to work night and day. At the height of whaling for oil, the peak
>> > > production of whale oil was about 20 million barrels (42
>> > > gallon/barrel)
>> > > a year according to
>> >
>> # True enough, but whaling as it originally occurred, was done in small
>> boats with hand-thrown harpoons - this was a risky business, as the whale
>> could smash your boat, with the crew drowning. Nowadays, the whale
>> doesn't
>> have a chance.
>> Japan is seen as the key villain in this debate, but will the Japanese
>> starve to death if whaling ceased?
>
> That is true.
> But should any culture be allowed to superimposed its culinary standard
> on another culture? Should the buddhist countries ban all meat if they
> get powerful and such ban please their constituents ?
>
>> I doubt it; as "whale-flavoured" beef might substitute.
>> No one, not even the Japanese themselves, believe their whaling is now
>> done "for scientific purposes" - where are the published results?
>
> I think the Japanese have admitted that the real purpose is for meat,
> not for research.

and is meat that they can't get rid of
Re: No reason not to allow whaling for meat [message #216939 ] Mo, 19 Juni 2006 08:09
Peter Webb  
> But should any culture be allowed to superimposed its culinary standard
> on another culture? Should the buddhist countries ban all meat if they
> get powerful and such ban please their constituents ?
>

I am just waiting for Hindu activists trying to disrupt Australian abattoir
operations.
Re: No reason not to allow whaling for meat [message #216962 ] Mo, 19 Juni 2006 11:28
ltlee1  
Peter Webb wrote:
> > But should any culture be allowed to superimposed its culinary standard
> > on another culture? Should the buddhist countries ban all meat if they
> > get powerful and such ban please their constituents ?
> >
>
> I am just waiting for Hindu activists trying to disrupt Australian abattoir
> operations.

Currently most of them are too busy making a living. But just wait,
India is developing. With economic development comes higher living
standard and more time. As a matter of probability, some will choose to
criticize Australian abattoir operation as uncivilized. Concerning the
kangaroos, they are more unique than whales. BTW, have they adapted to
other continents?
Re: No reason not to allow whaling for meat [message #216976 ] Mo, 19 Juni 2006 16:08
lechergod  
a communists' dog can never say with the fictitious word 'more times'.
when 'more times' comes, the Earth may have broken up !!!!
that is why communists' dog is communists' dog, can only argue by telling
lies !!!!


ltlee1 wrote:

> Peter Webb wrote:
>
>>>But should any culture be allowed to superimposed its culinary standard
>>>on another culture? Should the buddhist countries ban all meat if they
>>>get powerful and such ban please their constituents ?
>>>
>>
>>I am just waiting for Hindu activists trying to disrupt Australian abattoir
>>operations.
>
>
> Currently most of them are too busy making a living. But just wait,
> India is developing. With economic development comes higher living
> standard and more time. As a matter of probability, some will choose to
> criticize Australian abattoir operation as uncivilized. Concerning the
> kangaroos, they are more unique than whales. BTW, have they adapted to
> other continents?
>

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Re: No reason not to allow whaling for meat [message #216989 ] Mo, 19 Juni 2006 18:25
bitter anko Takada  
You don't care about whaling. You are pathetic anti-Japanese Korean
terrorist boy that is filled with hatreds against the Japanese as well
as those dumb anti-Japanese white bastards in the land down under.

ltlee1 =E3=81=AE=E3=83=A1=E3=83=83=E3=82=BB=E3=83=BC=E3=82=B8:

> Add other news group
> ltlee1 wrote:
> > http://www.crisscross.com/jp/news/374704
> >
> > ------------------------
> >
> > POLITICS
> > 2 pro-whaling countries join IWC
> > Monday, June 5, 2006 at 11:21 EDT
> >
> > TOKYO - Two countries supporting Japan's bid to resume commercial
> > whaling - the Marshall Islands and Cambodia - have joined the
> > International Whaling Commission ahead of its decision-making plenary
> > session June 16-20, sources close to the commission said Monday.
> >
> > [...]
> >
> > ------------------------
> >
> > Whaling for food did not cause the near extinction of the giant marine
> > mammals. Rather, whaling to supply the industralizing western countries
> > was the cause. The whales were hunted down over the oceans for their
> > oil to fill the lamps which brightened the cities in the night time.
> > This, in turn, allowed the industrial engines of the western countries
> > to work night and day. At the height of whaling for oil, the peak
> > production of whale oil was about 20 million barrels (42 gallon/barrel)
> > a year according to
Re: No reason not to allow whaling for meat [message #216990 ] Mo, 19 Juni 2006 19:41
James  
Don H wrote:
> Japan is seen as the key villain in this debate, but will the Japanese
> starve to death if whaling ceased?
> I doubt it; as "whale-flavoured" beef might substitute.

Will Americans starve if we ban eating beef? You won't even have to
worry about mad cows. They can substitute beef-flavoured whale meat.
It will save millions of Hundu gods from being eaten by fatso Bobs.
Ahpoo would be pleased.
Re: No reason not to allow whaling for meat [message #217007 ] Mo, 19 Juni 2006 22:21
george  
Peter Webb wrote:
> > But should any culture be allowed to superimposed its culinary standard
> > on another culture? Should the buddhist countries ban all meat if they
> > get powerful and such ban please their constituents ?
> >
>
> I am just waiting for Hindu activists trying to disrupt Australian abattoir
> operations.

We elect 'em the Hindi worship 'em...
:-)
Re: Sanguinity (or, Bloody Mindedness) [message #217023 ] Mo, 19 Juni 2006 23:32
Don H  
SANGUINITY (or, Bloody Mindedness)
===============================
I'm Samarina, the Sea Swordsman,
I wield a great long blade.
I will tackle Biggest Beast,
That Nature ever made.

For this, I use a Harpoon Gun,
I only squeeze the Trigger;
I love to see the Blood spurt out,
Of Beast - they don't come bigger.

We haul the Carcass on board ship,
We hack and slice and saw.
When one Beast is dismembered,
Why, we go back for some more!

I weep that I must do this,
'Tis Scientific Need.
Some folk claim Hypocrisy,
Or plain Commercial Greed.

But Sacred is Tradition,
This is the Nippon Code;
A Rigor Mortis of the Mind,
When in its Bonsai mode.

I'm Samarina, the Sea Swordsman,
I'm from a Warrior Race.
I can lose an Arm or Leg,
But can't stand Loss of Face.
=====================
But, seriously though, all nations can look to their lethal or other
practices re non-human animals. Yes, we are animals too - the worst
predator on planet Earth.
Hindus treat the cow as sacred, which is just as absurd as that old
attitude of the RC Church which contends : "animals don't have souls, thus
don't have rights" (like we do).
The ban on eating pork, as still practised by Jews and Muslims, is a
classic example of taboo morality taken to its logical conclusion. Sure,
back in olden times, before meat inspectors, you might be in danger of
eating internal parasites; but nowadays...?
Should non-human animals have "rights"? The least we can grant them
(humans being currently the dominant species) is the right to continued
existence - especially re mammals, similar to ourselves. The satirical
movie "Mars Attacks!" demonstrates how we might be treated if a "superior"
race, the Martians, invaded - casually slaughtering, or using us for
experiments, or stored as specimens.
Ah well, Homo Sapiens hasn't long to go, anyway, so it's all academic.
Whale extinction will precede our own - a couple of decades should do it, as
the Human Plague spreads across the planet, chomping everything in its path.
====================================
Re: No reason not to allow whaling for meat [message #217037 ] Di, 20 Juni 2006 01:22
ltlee1  
Dr. bitter anko wrote:
> You don't care about whaling. You are pathetic anti-Japanese Korean
> terrorist boy that is filled with hatreds against the Japanese as well
> as those dumb anti-Japanese white bastards in the land down under.

I gave my reasoning on why whaling for meat should be allowed. Feel
free to dispute me if you don't agree.


>
> ltlee1 =E3=81=AE=E3=83=A1=E3=83=83=E3=82=BB=E3=83=BC=E3=82=B8:
>
> > Add other news group
> > ltlee1 wrote:
> > > http://www.crisscross.com/jp/news/374704
> > >
> > > ------------------------
> > >
> > > POLITICS
> > > 2 pro-whaling countries join IWC
> > > Monday, June 5, 2006 at 11:21 EDT
> > >
> > > TOKYO - Two countries supporting Japan's bid to resume commercial
> > > whaling - the Marshall Islands and Cambodia - have joined the
> > > International Whaling Commission ahead of its decision-making plenary
> > > session June 16-20, sources close to the commission said Monday.
> > >
> > > [...]
> > >
> > > ------------------------
> > >
> > > Whaling for food did not cause the near extinction of the giant marine
> > > mammals. Rather, whaling to supply the industralizing western countri=
es
> > > was the cause. The whales were hunted down over the oceans for their
> > > oil to fill the lamps which brightened the cities in the night time.
> > > This, in turn, allowed the industrial engines of the western countries
> > > to work night and day. At the height of whaling for oil, the peak
> > > production of whale oil was about 20 million barrels (42 gallon/barre=
l)
> > > a year according to
Re: No reason not to allow whaling for meat [message #217039 ] Di, 20 Juni 2006 02:03
James  
Actually the whites just want to stick it to the Japs, and the Japs
just want to give the whites the finger. The is no market in Japan for
the whales now being caught. Do you think the Japs are going to hunt
many whales just so their wharehouses can be stuff with rotting whale
meat that can only be sold as cat food?

What are the other 2 whaling countries and what do they do with their
catches?

Unlike caviar, noone eats whales. Noone will unless some advertizing
wiz cons people into eating whale sushi.
Re: No reason not to allow whaling for meat [message #217098 ] Di, 20 Juni 2006 06:21
NAZIS  
No reason not to allow the continued massacre of chidren and societal
genocide in Iraq. Forget about them in your works - the whales are more
important.
Re: No reason not to allow whaling for meat [message #217114 ] Di, 20 Juni 2006 10:51
ltlee1  
James wrote:
> Actually the whites just want to stick it to the Japs, and the Japs
> just want to give the whites the finger. The is no market in Japan for
> the whales now being caught. Do you think the Japs are going to hunt
> many whales just so their wharehouses can be stuff with rotting whale
> meat that can only be sold as cat food?
>
> What are the other 2 whaling countries and what do they do with their
> catches?
>
> Unlike caviar, noone eats whales. Noone will unless some advertizing
> wiz cons people into eating whale sushi.

Look like some people do like whale steak or sushi.

http://www.marketwatch.com/News/Story/Story.aspx?guid={57D1C 3F0-3AA2-4DED-A259-C4E68DE13BFF}&siteId=bigcharts


---------------------------
Norway and Iceland PMs applaud pro-whaling vote

Reuters
Monday, June 19, 2006; 9:40 AM

LONGYEARBYEN, Norway (Reuters) - The Norwegian and Icelandic prime
ministers welcomed on Monday a recommendation by the International
Whaling Commission (IWC) to relax a ban on commercial whaling.

Japan, Norway and Iceland are the world's main whaling nations. They
say stocks have recovered since a 1986 ban.

"This is positive and goes in our favor," Icelandic Prime Minister Geir
Haarde told a news conference on the Arctic island of Svalbard after an
annual Nordic prime ministers' conference.

"It supports the rightful development of using natural resources," he
said.

On Sunday IWC members voted 33 to 32 in favor of a Japan-backed
statement that the whaling ban is no longer necessary -- the first time
in over 20 years a pro-whaling declaration has been passed.

A 75 percent majority is needed to overturn the moratorium so it is not
immediately threatened.

Whalers have killed around 25,000 whales since the 1986 memorandum.
Japan and Iceland have used legal loopholes to conduct some whaling
while Norway has largely ignored the ban -- whale steaks feature on
menus around the country.

[...]

-----------------------

Does anyone know how does whale steak tastes?
Re: No reason not to allow whaling for meat [message #217116 ] Di, 20 Juni 2006 10:58
ltlee1  
NA$I$ wrote:
> No reason not to allow the continued massacre of chidren and societal
> genocide in Iraq.

If you want to write about that, please do.

> Forget about them in your works - the whales are more
> important.
Re: No reason not to allow whaling for meat [message #217122 ] Di, 20 Juni 2006 11:08
lechergod  
ah ! am I entered PRC mainland ???
everyone has to get approval from this ltlee1 before one can write anything !
as yet someone is saying "No reason",
what should be written under "No reason" ????
if this ltlee1 is not agreeing, it should be this communists' dog to give
out reasons !!!!!!!


ltlee1 wrote:

> NA$I$ wrote:
>
>>No reason not to allow the continued massacre of chidren and societal
>>genocide in Iraq.
>
>
> If you want to write about that, please do.
>
>
>>Forget about them in your works - the whales are more
>>important.
>
>

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Re: No reason not to allow whaling for meat [message #217127 ] Di, 20 Juni 2006 12:10
dechucka  
"ltlee1" <ltlee1 [at] hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1150793505.195835.75050 [at] c74g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
> James wrote:
>> Actually the whites just want to stick it to the Japs, and the Japs
>> just want to give the whites the finger. The is no market in Japan for
>> the whales now being caught. Do you think the Japs are going to hunt
>> many whales just so their wharehouses can be stuff with rotting whale
>> meat that can only be sold as cat food?
>>
>> What are the other 2 whaling countries and what do they do with their
>> catches?
>>
>> Unlike caviar, noone eats whales. Noone will unless some advertizing
>> wiz cons people into eating whale sushi.
>
> Look like some people do like whale steak or sushi.
>
> http://www.marketwatch.com/News/Story/Story.aspx?guid={57D1C 3F0-3AA2-4DED-A259-C4E68DE13BFF}&siteId=bigcharts
>
>
> ---------------------------
> Norway and Iceland PMs applaud pro-whaling vote
>
> Reuters
> Monday, June 19, 2006; 9:40 AM
>
> LONGYEARBYEN, Norway (Reuters) - The Norwegian and Icelandic prime
> ministers welcomed on Monday a recommendation by the International
> Whaling Commission (IWC) to relax a ban on commercial whaling.
>
> Japan, Norway and Iceland are the world's main whaling nations. They
> say stocks have recovered since a 1986 ban.
>
> "This is positive and goes in our favor," Icelandic Prime Minister Geir
> Haarde told a news conference on the Arctic island of Svalbard after an
> annual Nordic prime ministers' conference.
>
> "It supports the rightful development of using natural resources," he
> said.
>
> On Sunday IWC members voted 33 to 32 in favor of a Japan-backed
> statement that the whaling ban is no longer necessary -- the first time
> in over 20 years a pro-whaling declaration has been passed.
>
> A 75 percent majority is needed to overturn the moratorium so it is not
> immediately threatened.
>
> Whalers have killed around 25,000 whales since the 1986 memorandum.
> Japan and Iceland have used legal loopholes to conduct some whaling
> while Norway has largely ignored the ban -- whale steaks feature on
> menus around the country.
>
> [...]
>
> -----------------------
>
> Does anyone know how does whale steak tastes?
>
Re: No reason not to allow whaling for meat [message #217128 ] Di, 20 Juni 2006 12:11
dechucka  
"ltlee1" <ltlee1 [at] hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1150793505.195835.75050 [at] c74g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
> James wrote:
>> Actually the whites just want to stick it to the Japs, and the Japs
>> just want to give the whites the finger. The is no market in Japan for
>> the whales now being caught. Do you think the Japs are going to hunt
>> many whales just so their wharehouses can be stuff with rotting whale
>> meat that can only be sold as cat food?
>>
>> What are the other 2 whaling countries and what do they do with their
>> catches?
>>
>> Unlike caviar, noone eats whales. Noone will unless some advertizing
>> wiz cons people into eating whale sushi.
>
> Look like some people do like whale steak or sushi.

really and your cite says this how





>
> http://www.marketwatch.com/News/Story/Story.aspx?guid={57D1C 3F0-3AA2-4DED-A259-C4E68DE13BFF}&siteId=bigcharts
>
>
> ---------------------------
> Norway and Iceland PMs applaud pro-whaling vote
>
> Reuters
> Monday, June 19, 2006; 9:40 AM
>
> LONGYEARBYEN, Norway (Reuters) - The Norwegian and Icelandic prime
> ministers welcomed on Monday a recommendation by the International
> Whaling Commission (IWC) to relax a ban on commercial whaling.
>
> Japan, Norway and Iceland are the world's main whaling nations. They
> say stocks have recovered since a 1986 ban.
>
> "This is positive and goes in our favor," Icelandic Prime Minister Geir
> Haarde told a news conference on the Arctic island of Svalbard after an
> annual Nordic prime ministers' conference.
>
> "It supports the rightful development of using natural resources," he
> said.
>
> On Sunday IWC members voted 33 to 32 in favor of a Japan-backed
> statement that the whaling ban is no longer necessary -- the first time
> in over 20 years a pro-whaling declaration has been passed.
>
> A 75 percent majority is needed to overturn the moratorium so it is not
> immediately threatened.
>
> Whalers have killed around 25,000 whales since the 1986 memorandum.
> Japan and Iceland have used legal loopholes to conduct some whaling
> while Norway has largely ignored the ban -- whale steaks feature on
> menus around the country.
>
> [...]
>
> -----------------------
>
> Does anyone know how does whale steak tastes?
>
Re: No reason not to allow whaling for meat [message #217139 ] Di, 20 Juni 2006 13:56
ltlee1  
dechucka wrote:
> "ltlee1" <ltlee1 [at] hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1150793505.195835.75050 [at] c74g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
> > James wrote:
> >> Actually the whites just want to stick it to the Japs, and the Japs
> >> just want to give the whites the finger. The is no market in Japan for
> >> the whales now being caught. Do you think the Japs are going to hunt
> >> many whales just so their wharehouses can be stuff with rotting whale
> >> meat that can only be sold as cat food?
> >>
> >> What are the other 2 whaling countries and what do they do with their
> >> catches?
> >>
> >> Unlike caviar, noone eats whales. Noone will unless some advertizing
> >> wiz cons people into eating whale sushi.
> >
> > Look like some people do like whale steak or sushi.
>
> really and your cite says this how

Is the above a question?
If you question is about whether some poeple like whale meat, this is
from the cite:

"Whalers have killed around 25,000 whales since the 1986 memorandum.
Japan and Iceland have used legal loopholes to conduct some whaling
while Norway has largely ignored the ban -- whale steaks feature on
menus around the country."
>
>
>
>
>
> >
> > http://www.marketwatch.com/News/Story/Story.aspx?guid={57D1C 3F0-3AA2-4DED-A259-C4E68DE13BFF}&siteId=bigcharts
> >
> >
> > ---------------------------
> > Norway and Iceland PMs applaud pro-whaling vote
> >
> > Reuters
> > Monday, June 19, 2006; 9:40 AM
> >
> > LONGYEARBYEN, Norway (Reuters) - The Norwegian and Icelandic prime
> > ministers welcomed on Monday a recommendation by the International
> > Whaling Commission (IWC) to relax a ban on commercial whaling.
> >
> > Japan, Norway and Iceland are the world's main whaling nations. They
> > say stocks have recovered since a 1986 ban.
> >
> > "This is positive and goes in our favor," Icelandic Prime Minister Geir
> > Haarde told a news conference on the Arctic island of Svalbard after an
> > annual Nordic prime ministers' conference.
> >
> > "It supports the rightful development of using natural resources," he
> > said.
> >
> > On Sunday IWC members voted 33 to 32 in favor of a Japan-backed
> > statement that the whaling ban is no longer necessary -- the first time
> > in over 20 years a pro-whaling declaration has been passed.
> >
> > A 75 percent majority is needed to overturn the moratorium so it is not
> > immediately threatened.
> >
> > Whalers have killed around 25,000 whales since the 1986 memorandum.
> > Japan and Iceland have used legal loopholes to conduct some whaling
> > while Norway has largely ignored the ban -- whale steaks feature on
> > menus around the country.
> >
> > [...]
> >
> > -----------------------
> >
> > Does anyone know how does whale steak tastes?
> >
Re: No reason not to allow whaling for meat [message #217157 ] Di, 20 Juni 2006 17:16
unglued  
ltlee1 wrote:
> James wrote:
> > Actually the whites just want to stick it to the Japs, and the Japs
> > just want to give the whites the finger. The is no market in Japan for
> > the whales now being caught. Do you think the Japs are going to hunt
> > many whales just so their wharehouses can be stuff with rotting whale
> > meat that can only be sold as cat food?
> >
> > What are the other 2 whaling countries and what do they do with their
> > catches?
> >
> > Unlike caviar, noone eats whales. Noone will unless some advertizing
> > wiz cons people into eating whale sushi.
>
> Look like some people do like whale steak or sushi.
>
> http://www.marketwatch.com/News/Story/Story.aspx?guid={57D1C 3F0-3AA2-4DED-A259-C4E68DE13BFF}&siteId=bigcharts
>
>
> ---------------------------
> Norway and Iceland PMs applaud pro-whaling vote
>
> Reuters
> Monday, June 19, 2006; 9:40 AM
>
> LONGYEARBYEN, Norway (Reuters) - The Norwegian and Icelandic prime
> ministers welcomed on Monday a recommendation by the International
> Whaling Commission (IWC) to relax a ban on commercial whaling.
>
> Japan, Norway and Iceland are the world's main whaling nations. They
> say stocks have recovered since a 1986 ban.
>
> "This is positive and goes in our favor," Icelandic Prime Minister Geir
> Haarde told a news conference on the Arctic island of Svalbard after an
> annual Nordic prime ministers' conference.
>
> "It supports the rightful development of using natural resources," he
> said.
>
> On Sunday IWC members voted 33 to 32 in favor of a Japan-backed
> statement that the whaling ban is no longer necessary -- the first time
> in over 20 years a pro-whaling declaration has been passed.
>
> A 75 percent majority is needed to overturn the moratorium so it is not
> immediately threatened.
>
> Whalers have killed around 25,000 whales since the 1986 memorandum.
> Japan and Iceland have used legal loopholes to conduct some whaling
> while Norway has largely ignored the ban -- whale steaks feature on
> menus around the country.
>
> [...]
>
> -----------------------
>
> Does anyone know how does whale steak tastes?

No, but there are a couple reasons why whaling should not be
encouraged.The meat is loaded with heavy metals and is not good for
you, also a vast majority of civilized people find it barbaric on the
grounds that whales are intelligent and beautiful in the sea where they
belong.
Re: No reason not to allow whaling for meat [message #217166 ] Di, 20 Juni 2006 18:05
ltlee1  
unglued wrote:
> ltlee1 wrote:
> > James wrote:
> > > Actually the whites just want to stick it to the Japs, and the Japs
> > > just want to give the whites the finger. The is no market in Japan for
> > > the whales now being caught. Do you think the Japs are going to hunt
> > > many whales just so their wharehouses can be stuff with rotting whale
> > > meat that can only be sold as cat food?
> > >
> > > What are the other 2 whaling countries and what do they do with their
> > > catches?
> > >
> > > Unlike caviar, noone eats whales. Noone will unless some advertizing
> > > wiz cons people into eating whale sushi.
> >
> > Look like some people do like whale steak or sushi.
> >
> > http://www.marketwatch.com/News/Story/Story.aspx?guid={57D1C 3F0-3AA2-4DED-A259-C4E68DE13BFF}&siteId=bigcharts
> >
> >
> > ---------------------------
> > Norway and Iceland PMs applaud pro-whaling vote
> >
> > Reuters
> > Monday, June 19, 2006; 9:40 AM
> >
> > LONGYEARBYEN, Norway (Reuters) - The Norwegian and Icelandic prime
> > ministers welcomed on Monday a recommendation by the International
> > Whaling Commission (IWC) to relax a ban on commercial whaling.
> >
> > Japan, Norway and Iceland are the world's main whaling nations. They
> > say stocks have recovered since a 1986 ban.
> >
> > "This is positive and goes in our favor," Icelandic Prime Minister Geir
> > Haarde told a news conference on the Arctic island of Svalbard after an
> > annual Nordic prime ministers' conference.
> >
> > "It supports the rightful development of using natural resources," he
> > said.
> >
> > On Sunday IWC members voted 33 to 32 in favor of a Japan-backed
> > statement that the whaling ban is no longer necessary -- the first time
> > in over 20 years a pro-whaling declaration has been passed.
> >
> > A 75 percent majority is needed to overturn the moratorium so it is not
> > immediately threatened.
> >
> > Whalers have killed around 25,000 whales since the 1986 memorandum.
> > Japan and Iceland have used legal loopholes to conduct some whaling
> > while Norway has largely ignored the ban -- whale steaks feature on
> > menus around the country.
> >
> > [...]
> >
> > -----------------------
> >
> > Does anyone know how does whale steak tastes?
>
> No, but there are a couple reasons why whaling should not be
> encouraged.The meat is loaded with heavy metals and is not good for
> you,

Well, the fact remains, "whale steaks feature on menus around the
country."
If you or anyone suggest the whale meat should come with warnings. I
will not disagree.

> also a vast majority of civilized people find it barbaric on the
> grounds that whales are intelligent and beautiful in the sea where they
> belong.

I am not sure about that.
What is food and what is not is a matter of culture. I don't think any
culture should impose
its standard on another culture.
Re: No reason not to allow whaling for meat [message #217192 ] Di, 20 Juni 2006 23:19
andersons6  
"ltlee1" <ltlee1 [at] hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1150819519.586580.302070 [at] c74g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...

> I don't think any
> culture should impose
> its standard on another culture.

Heh heh, are you serious? Slavery and cannibalism should be tolerated in
cultures so inclined?
Re: No reason not to allow whaling for meat [message #217198 ] Mi, 21 Juni 2006 01:22
ltlee1  
J. Anderson wrote:
> "ltlee1" <ltlee1 [at] hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1150819519.586580.302070 [at] c74g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
>
> > I don't think any
> > culture should impose
> > its standard on another culture.
>
> Heh heh, are you serious? Slavery and cannibalism should be tolerated in
> cultures so inclined?

Well. History is clear. No country had intervened America's slavery
system.
Basically, if some value is universal, then different cultures will
sooner or later reach the same conclusion. Otherwise, the term
"universal value" will have no meaning.
Re: Sanguinity (or, Bloody Mindedness) [message #217199 ] Mi, 21 Juni 2006 01:32
ltlee1  
Don H wrote:
> SANGUINITY (or, Bloody Mindedness)
> ===============================
> I'm Samarina, the Sea Swordsman,
> I wield a great long blade.
> I will tackle Biggest Beast,
> That Nature ever made.
>
> For this, I use a Harpoon Gun,
> I only squeeze the Trigger;
> I love to see the Blood spurt out,
> Of Beast - they don't come bigger.
>
> We haul the Carcass on board ship,
> We hack and slice and saw.
> When one Beast is dismembered,
> Why, we go back for some more!
>
> I weep that I must do this,
> 'Tis Scientific Need.
> Some folk claim Hypocrisy,
> Or plain Commercial Greed.
>
> But Sacred is Tradition,
> This is the Nippon Code;
> A Rigor Mortis of the Mind,
> When in its Bonsai mode.
>
> I'm Samarina, the Sea Swordsman,
> I'm from a Warrior Race.
> I can lose an Arm or Leg,
> But can't stand Loss of Face.
> =====================
> But, seriously though, all nations can look to their lethal or other
> practices re non-human animals. Yes, we are animals too - the worst
> predator on planet Earth.
> Hindus treat the cow as sacred, which is just as absurd as that old
> attitude of the RC Church which contends : "animals don't have souls, thus
> don't have rights" (like we do).
> The ban on eating pork, as still practised by Jews and Muslims, is a
> classic example of taboo morality taken to its logical conclusion. Sure,
> back in olden times, before meat inspectors, you might be in danger of
> eating internal parasites; but nowadays...?
> Should non-human animals have "rights"? The least we can grant them
> (humans being currently the dominant species) is the right to continued
> existence - especially re mammals, similar to ourselves.

Do you mean should we show mercy?
Sure we can. But is this really any kind of rights?

The mystery is on something called "life force." Without it, living
things and non living things are similary piles of molecules. But this
life "force" itself is blind and it does not know mercy.

> The satirical
> movie "Mars Attacks!" demonstrates how we might be treated if a "superior"
> race, the Martians, invaded - casually slaughtering, or using us for
> experiments, or stored as specimens.
> Ah well, Homo Sapiens hasn't long to go, anyway, so it's all academic.
> Whale extinction will precede our own - a couple of decades should do it, as
> the Human Plague spreads across the planet, chomping everything in its path.

May be. But then we can't tell the future.
> ====================================
Re: No reason not to allow whaling for meat [message #217242 ] Mi, 21 Juni 2006 06:13
betterdie  
The world should ban to all of the activities of whale
hunting,..........include the Japan whaling



ltlee1 wrote:
> dechucka wrote:
> > "ltlee1" <ltlee1 [at] hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:1150793505.195835.75050 [at] c74g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
> > > James wrote:
> > >> Actually the whites just want to stick it to the Japs, and the Japs
> > >> just want to give the whites the finger. The is no market in Japan for
> > >> the whales now being caught. Do you think the Japs are going to hunt
> > >> many whales just so their wharehouses can be stuff with rotting whale
> > >> meat that can only be sold as cat food?
> > >>
> > >> What are the other 2 whaling countries and what do they do with their
> > >> catches?
> > >>
> > >> Unlike caviar, noone eats whales. Noone will unless some advertizing
> > >> wiz cons people into eating whale sushi.
> > >
> > > Look like some people do like whale steak or sushi.
> >
> > really and your cite says this how
>
> Is the above a question?
> If you question is about whether some poeple like whale meat, this is
> from the cite:
>
> "Whalers have killed around 25,000 whales since the 1986 memorandum.
> Japan and Iceland have used legal loopholes to conduct some whaling
> while Norway has largely ignored the ban -- whale steaks feature on
> menus around the country."
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > >
> > > http://www.marketwatch.com/News/Story/Story.aspx?guid={57D1C 3F0-3AA2-4DED-A259-C4E68DE13BFF}&siteId=bigcharts
> > >
> > >
> > > ---------------------------
> > > Norway and Iceland PMs applaud pro-whaling vote
> > >
> > > Reuters
> > > Monday, June 19, 2006; 9:40 AM
> > >
> > > LONGYEARBYEN, Norway (Reuters) - The Norwegian and Icelandic prime
> > > ministers welcomed on Monday a recommendation by the International
> > > Whaling Commission (IWC) to relax a ban on commercial whaling.
> > >
> > > Japan, Norway and Iceland are the world's main whaling nations. They
> > > say stocks have recovered since a 1986 ban.
> > >
> > > "This is positive and goes in our favor," Icelandic Prime Minister Geir
> > > Haarde told a news conference on the Arctic island of Svalbard after an
> > > annual Nordic prime ministers' conference.
> > >
> > > "It supports the rightful development of using natural resources," he
> > > said.
> > >
> > > On Sunday IWC members voted 33 to 32 in favor of a Japan-backed
> > > statement that the whaling ban is no longer necessary -- the first time
> > > in over 20 years a pro-whaling declaration has been passed.
> > >
> > > A 75 percent majority is needed to overturn the moratorium so it is not
> > > immediately threatened.
> > >
> > > Whalers have killed around 25,000 whales since the 1986 memorandum.
> > > Japan and Iceland have used legal loopholes to conduct some whaling
> > > while Norway has largely ignored the ban -- whale steaks feature on
> > > menus around the country.
> > >
> > > [...]
> > >
> > > -----------------------
> > >
> > > Does anyone know how does whale steak tastes?
> > >
Re: No reason not to allow whaling for meat [message #217263 ] Mi, 21 Juni 2006 11:37
Grqqqyczcxzxzxhczbxyr  
unglued <dragonseed [at] spray.se> wrote:

> ltlee1 wrote:

> > Does anyone know how does whale steak tastes?

Tastes like beef.

> No, but there are a couple reasons why whaling should not be
> encouraged.The meat is loaded with heavy metals

Bullshit.

Whalefat may contain some cadmium and DDT, but the meat is ok.

> and is not good for
> you, also a vast majority of civilized people find it barbaric on the
> grounds that whales are intelligent and beautiful in the sea where they
> belong.
Re: No reason not to allow whaling for meat [message #217264 ] Mi, 21 Juni 2006 11:44
kurkku  
"Sturle Fladmark" <Grqqqyczcxzxzxhczbxyrqb.x.sturle [at] spamgourmet.com>
kirjoitti
viestissä:1hha5hn.3d2huvdytj1pN%Grqqqyczcxzxzxhczbxyrqb.x.sturle [at] spamgourmet.com...
> unglued <dragonseed [at] spray.se> wrote:
>
>> ltlee1 wrote:
>
>> > Does anyone know how does whale steak tastes?
>
> Tastes like beef.
>
Like Norwegian beef? Perhaps whales and sea cows are one and the same thing.
Re: No reason not to allow whaling for meat [message #217270 ] Mi, 21 Juni 2006 13:44
Alan Crozier  
"Sturle Fladmark" <Grqqqyczcxzxzxhczbxyrqb.x.sturle [at] spamgourmet.com>
wrote in message
news:1hha5hn.3d2huvdytj1pN%Grqqqyczcxzxzxhczbxyrqb.x.sturle [at] spamgourmet.com...
> unglued <dragonseed [at] spray.se> wrote:
>
> > ltlee1 wrote:
>
> > > Does anyone know how does whale steak tastes?
>
> Tastes like beef.

.... with a tangy, slightly acid flavour. Very tasty.

>
> > No, but there are a couple reasons why whaling should not be
> > encouraged.The meat is loaded with heavy metals
>
> Bullshit.


Alan

--
Alan Crozier
Lund
Sweden
Re: No reason not to allow whaling for meat [message #217336 ] Mi, 21 Juni 2006 21:31
James  
If whale tastes like beef, I wonder why the Japs can't find enough
people to eat their research catches? Japs love beef but don't really
care for whale.

Is whale as popular as beef in Iceland and Norway?

Considering the way American beef is produced (in shit filled feed
lots), eating whale might be healthier. Maybe someone can start whale
ranching like salmon farms.
Re: Sanguinity (or, Bloody Mindedness) [message #217348 ] Do, 22 Juni 2006 00:01
Enkidu  
ltlee1 wrote:
> Don H wrote:
>
>>SANGUINITY (or, Bloody Mindedness)
>>===============================

'Sanguine' means 'cheerfully optimistic', 'sanguinity' means 'feeling
optimistic or cheerful'. on the other hand 'Sanguinary' means
'blood-thirsty'.

Cheers,

Cliff
Re: Sanguinity (or, Bloody Mindedness) [message #217419 ] Do, 22 Juni 2006 10:02
Scuzza  
> Don H wrote:
....
>> Yes, we are animals too - the worst
>> predator on planet Earth.


By any sensible definition of the term, we're the *best* predator.

Do try harder.
Re: Sanguinity (or, Bloody Mindedness) [message #217420 ] Do, 22 Juni 2006 10:03
Scuzza  
"Enkidu" <enkidu.com [at] com.cliffp.com> wrote in message
news:4499c1c6$1 [at] news2.actrix.gen.nz...
> ltlee1 wrote:
>> Don H wrote:
>>
>>>SANGUINITY (or, Bloody Mindedness)
>>>===============================
>
> 'Sanguine' means 'cheerfully optimistic', 'sanguinity' means 'feeling
> optimistic or cheerful'. on the other hand 'Sanguinary' means
> 'blood-thirsty'.


What does consanguinity mean, Cliff?
Re: Sanguinity (or, Bloody Mindedness) [message #217430 ] Do, 22 Juni 2006 12:50
ltlee1  
Enkidu wrote:
> ltlee1 wrote:
> > Don H wrote:
> >
> >>SANGUINITY (or, Bloody Mindedness)
> >>===============================
>
> 'Sanguine' means 'cheerfully optimistic', 'sanguinity' means 'feeling
> optimistic or cheerful'. on the other hand 'Sanguinary' means
> 'blood-thirsty'.

Thank you for clarifying.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Cliff
Re: Sanguinity (or, Bloody Mindedness) [message #217431 ] Do, 22 Juni 2006 13:04
Enkidu  
Scuzza wrote:
> "Enkidu" <enkidu.com [at] com.cliffp.com> wrote in message
> news:4499c1c6$1 [at] news2.actrix.gen.nz...
>
>> ltlee1 wrote:
>>
>>> Don H wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> SANGUINITY (or, Bloody Mindedness)
>>>> ===============================
>>
>> 'Sanguine' means 'cheerfully optimistic', 'sanguinity' means
>> 'feeling optimistic or cheerful'. on the other hand 'Sanguinary'
>> means 'blood-thirsty'.
>
> What does consanguinity mean, Cliff?
>
It means you come from Dunedin.

Cheers,

Cliff
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