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Culture & Politics » soc.culture.china » India is the un-China, says Time

India is the un-China, says Time [message #217107]

Di, 20 Juni 2006 09:48

Prashant Raina

http://www.hindustantimes.com/news/7598_1724081,00050002.htm

A "breathtaking shift" in US policy towards India - declaring it a
strategic partner and offering it a bilateral deal to share nuclear
know how - can be explained, according to Time magazine, simply by one
phrase: India is the un-China.

Washington's new approach to India is so explained by the American news
magazine in its latest issue hitting the news stands on Monday with its
cover story "INDIA INC - Why the World's Biggest Democracy is the Next
Great Economic Superpower- and What it Means for America."

Re: India is the un-China, says Time [message #217110 ]

Di, 20 Juni 2006 10:21

Murphy

"Dr.Sahib.Pandit.Shri.Shri.Rainam Ji Maharaj Ji Ustad"
<praina246898 [at] rediffmail.com> wrote in message
news:1150789721.972649.132010 [at] i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
>
> http://www.hindustantimes.com/news/7598_1724081,00050002.htm
>
> A "breathtaking shift" in US policy towards India - declaring it a
> strategic partner and offering it a bilateral deal to share nuclear
> know how - can be explained, according to Time magazine, simply by one
> phrase: India is the un-China.
>
> Washington's new approach to India is so explained by the American news
> magazine in its latest issue hitting the news stands on Monday with its
> cover story "INDIA INC - Why the World's Biggest Democracy is the Next
> Great Economic Superpower- and What it Means for America."

As usual, time magazine is far behind the curve. India hit its climax last
year and is only going down. Backsourcing of jobs to the U.S. and the lack
of real talent in India are the biggest reasons and it's going to put
India's economy in a depression. This also means that Dr Shithead Sahib
will have to get a real job scooping shit instead of posting his spam shit
here all day.

Re: India is the un-China, says Time [message #217125 ]

Di, 20 Juni 2006 12:02

usenet

If "India is going down", as you claim, it would be
mainly because of corrupt politicians demanding big
bribes as they try to play the middleman in outsourcing
deals. And the "lack of real talent" claim may become
valid after the mediocre graduates as the result of
"reservation quotas" (akin to "affirmative action" in the
US) hit the job market in a few years.

Jai Maharaj
http://tinyurl.com/a5ljc
http://www.mantra.com/jai
Om Shanti

In article <beOlg.101096$H71.27860 [at] newssvr13.news.prodigy.com>,
"Murphy" <xoxoxo [at] nine.ten> posted:
>
> As usual, time magazine is far behind the curve. India hit its climax last
> year and is only going down. Backsourcing of jobs to the U.S. and the lack
> of real talent in India are the biggest reasons and it's going to put
> India's economy in a depression. This also means that Dr Shithead Sahib
> will have to get a real job scooping shit instead of posting his spam shit
> here all day.

> "Dr.Sahib.Pandit.Shri.Shri.Rainam Ji Maharaj Ji Ustad"
> <praina246898 [at] rediffmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1150789721.972649.132010 [at] i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
> >
> > http://www.hindustantimes.com/news/7598_1724081,00050002.htm
> >
> > A "breathtaking shift" in US policy towards India - declaring it a
> > strategic partner and offering it a bilateral deal to share nuclear
> > know how - can be explained, according to Time magazine, simply by one
> > phrase: India is the un-China.
> >
> > Washington's new approach to India is so explained by the American news
> > magazine in its latest issue hitting the news stands on Monday with its
> > cover story "INDIA INC - Why the World's Biggest Democracy is the Next
> > Great Economic Superpower- and What it Means for America."

Re: India is the un-China, says Time [message #217126 ]

Di, 20 Juni 2006 12:08

d12s34f56

Dr. Jai Maharaj wrote:
> If "India is going down", as you claim, it would be
> mainly because of corrupt politicians demanding big
> bribes as they try to play the middleman in outsourcing
> deals. And the "lack of real talent" claim may become
> valid after the mediocre graduates as the result of
> "reservation quotas" (akin to "affirmative action" in the
> US) hit the job market in a few years.
>
> Jai Maharaj
> http://tinyurl.com/a5ljc
> http://www.mantra.com/jai
> Om Shanti
>
> In article <beOlg.101096$H71.27860 [at] newssvr13.news.prodigy.com>,
> "Murphy" <xoxoxo [at] nine.ten> posted:
> >
> > As usual, time magazine is far behind the curve. India hit its climax last
> > year and is only going down. Backsourcing of jobs to the U.S. and the lack
> > of real talent in India are the biggest reasons and it's going to put
> > India's economy in a depression. This also means that Dr Shithead Sahib
> > will have to get a real job scooping shit instead of posting his spam shit
> > here all day.
>
> > "Dr.Sahib.Pandit.Shri.Shri.Rainam Ji Maharaj Ji Ustad"
> > <praina246898 [at] rediffmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:1150789721.972649.132010 [at] i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
> > >
> > > http://www.hindustantimes.com/news/7598_1724081,00050002.htm
> > >
> > > A "breathtaking shift" in US policy towards India - declaring it a
> > > strategic partner and offering it a bilateral deal to share nuclear
> > > know how - can be explained, according to Time magazine, simply by one
> > > phrase: India is the un-China.
> > >
> > > Washington's new approach to India is so explained by the American news
> > > magazine in its latest issue hitting the news stands on Monday with its
> > > cover story "INDIA INC - Why the World's Biggest Democracy is the Next
> > > Great Economic Superpower- and What it Means for America."

India's infrastructure is plain awful, you can not expect to continue
getting foreign investment if the quality of road, power, and
telecommunications contrasts so sharply with the next door competitor,
sooner or later, India will hit the bottleneck if only because the bad
transport system.

Re: India is the un-China, says Time [message #217146 ]

Di, 20 Juni 2006 15:27

usenet

Which "next door competitor" -- terrorist Pakistan and Bangladesh,
communist Nepal and Tibet, or war-torn Shri Lanka? Or are you
referring to the godfather of Wal-Mart, commmie China? If Bharat
is going down, those countries are going down faster.

Jai Maharaj
http://tinyurl.com/a5ljc
http://www.mantra.com/jai
Om Shanti

In article <1150798139.799093.232100 [at] y41g2000cwy.googlegroups.com>,
d12s34f56 [at] gmail.com posted:
>
> India's infrastructure is plain awful, you can not expect to continue
> getting foreign investment if the quality of road, power, and
> telecommunications contrasts so sharply with the next door competitor,
> sooner or later, India will hit the bottleneck if only because the bad
> transport system.

> Dr. Jai Maharaj posted:
>
> > If "India is going down", as you claim, it would be
> > mainly because of corrupt politicians demanding big
> > bribes as they try to play the middleman in outsourcing
> > deals. And the "lack of real talent" claim may become
> > valid after the mediocre graduates as the result of
> > "reservation quotas" (akin to "affirmative action" in the
> > US) hit the job market in a few years.
> >
> > Jai Maharaj
> > http://tinyurl.com/a5ljc
> > http://www.mantra.com/jai
> > Om Shanti
> >
> > In article <beOlg.101096$H71.27860 [at] newssvr13.news.prodigy.com>,
> > "Murphy" <xoxoxo [at] nine.ten> posted:
> > >
> > > As usual, time magazine is far behind the curve. India hit its climax
> last
> > > year and is only going down. Backsourcing of jobs to the U.S. and the
> lack
> > > of real talent in India are the biggest reasons and it's going to put
> > > India's economy in a depression. This also means that Dr Shithead Sahib
> > > will have to get a real job scooping shit instead of posting his spam shit
> > > here all day.
> >
> > > "Dr.Sahib.Pandit.Shri.Shri.Rainam Ji Maharaj Ji Ustad"
> > > <praina246898 [at] rediffmail.com> wrote in message
> > > news:1150789721.972649.132010 [at] i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
> > > >
> > > > http://www.hindustantimes.com/news/7598_1724081,00050002.htm
> > > >
> > > > A "breathtaking shift" in US policy towards India - declaring it a
> > > > strategic partner and offering it a bilateral deal to share nuclear
> > > > know how - can be explained, according to Time magazine, simply by one
> > > > phrase: India is the un-China.
> > > >
> > > > Washington's new approach to India is so explained by the American news
> > > > magazine in its latest issue hitting the news stands on Monday with its
> > > > cover story "INDIA INC - Why the World's Biggest Democracy is the Next
> > > > Great Economic Superpower- and What it Means for America."

Re: India is the un-China, says Time [message #217149 ]

Di, 20 Juni 2006 16:15

kamalp

[snip]
>
> India's infrastructure is plain awful, you can not expect to continue
> getting foreign investment if the quality of road, power, and
> telecommunications contrasts so sharply with the next door competitor,
> sooner or later, India will hit the bottleneck if only because the bad
> transport system.

they have a couple of privately managed special economic
zones/townships coming up. A big one near Delhi will be coming up in a
few yrs (courtsey Reliance Industries) and they hope to be at par with
intl manufacturing centres. The cities that have been in existence for
100+ yrs are beyond repair/modification -so you need to look at whats
going to come next rather than what exists.

regards
-kamal

Re: India is the un-China, says Time [message #217167 ]

Di, 20 Juni 2006 18:37

look

Johnny Judas Jay "the jumpin jackass" Maharaj wrote:

> Which "next door competitor" -- terrorist Pakistan and Bangladesh,
> communist Nepal and Tibet, or war-torn Shri Lanka? Or are you
> referring to the godfather of Wal-Mart, commmie China? If Bharat
> is going down, those countries are going down faster.

Bullish on Bangladesh
The headlines are grim. But they mask what is shaping up to be one of
the world's most amazing turnarounds.

By George Wehrfritz and Hassan Shahriar
Newsweek International

June 26, 2006 issue - These days, it's not easy to be bullish on
Bangladesh. Last month militant labor unions declared war on the
country's vital textile industry, attacking dozens of mills and torching
several in a struggle for wage hikes and new benefits. And just last
week opposition parties bent on toppling Prime Minister Khaleda Zia
staged a two-day national strike to demand electoral reforms ahead of
parliamentary contests slated for early 2007.

[..........]

Yet what's remarkable about the grim headlines emanating from Dhaka of
late is how little they threaten the country's stubbornly robust
national economy. In spite of sporadic unrest, rampant corruption and a
polarized political system that's all but dysfunctional, Bangladesh
finds itself in the midst of a sustained boom. On June 8, Finance
Minister Saifur Rahman forecast that the national economy would grow by
6.7 percent in 2006. The main drivers: surging export growth and a
robust service sector.

[...........]

There's no pat explanation for Bangladesh's unlikely success. Certainly,
experts agree that the country urgently needs better governance to
achieve its full potential of double-digit annual growth. Yet the
country has disproved one assumption: that Asia's dynamic twin
giantsChina and Indiawould grow at the expense of their less
efficient, less open neighbors.
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/13392836/site/newsweek/

As always, Johnny Maharaj lies, keeping alive the sordid, vile tradition
of jyotishits.

Re: India is the un-China, says Time [message #217170 ]

Di, 20 Juni 2006 19:04

Marcus Aurelius

Re: India is the un-China, says Time [message #217175 ]

Di, 20 Juni 2006 20:38

mbplee

Murphy wrote:

> "Dr.Sahib.Pandit.Shri.Shri.Rainam Ji Maharaj Ji Ustad"
> <praina246898 [at] rediffmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1150789721.972649.132010 [at] i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
> >
> > http://www.hindustantimes.com/news/7598_1724081,00050002.htm
> >
> > A "breathtaking shift" in US policy towards India - declaring it a
> > strategic partner and offering it a bilateral deal to share nuclear
> > know how - can be explained, according to Time magazine, simply by one
> > phrase: India is the un-China.
> >
> > Washington's new approach to India is so explained by the American news
> > magazine in its latest issue hitting the news stands on Monday with its
> > cover story "INDIA INC - Why the World's Biggest Democracy is the Next
> > Great Economic Superpower- and What it Means for America."
>
> As usual, time magazine is far behind the curve. India hit its climax last
> year and is only going down. Backsourcing of jobs to the U.S. and the lack
> of real talent in India are the biggest reasons and it's going to put
> India's economy in a depression. This also means that Dr Shithead Sahib
> will have to get a real job scooping shit instead of posting his spam shit
> here all day.

Back-sourcing: lack of talent is not the cause of this phenomenon. The
fault is greed and the lack of knowledge of the people and the culture
of the out-sourced country. All the executives saw was the labour cost,
the ability to speak and understand English, and the ability to work a
computer keyboard.All the promoters saw was the savings in money
because of the differences in labour cost. On paper it looked like a
profit making system.

Let us look at just the "Telephone Answering Service". No one took into
consideration whether a bright young Indian telephone operator would
easily understand a broad Yorkshireman or a Scotsman who has never
travelled out of Glasgow all his life with their heavy regional accent.
Or vice versa, whether, these men could understand the accent of a
young Indian who spoke like everyone else from their village? Or
whether the Indian operator understood English colloqialisms or diction
not normally used in India? The use of diction, varies with regions,
and pronounciations also vary a great deal. Then there is the
geography, and the references to local shops, that are by-words in
England but never heard of in India. Like, the "chippy", or "Boots",
or"visionexpress", or "MnS", or "Natwest", or "bt", or "2 quids
worth", or "surgery", or "will it be a Chinese or Indian?"and so many
phrases in common use here that makes no sense over there. So naturally
there is complete frustration, and that leads to mistrust and
suspicions. Would you dare make a bank transfer when you are not sure
if you were properly understood?

So The sponsor company management did not understand what was the real
spoken English usuage in India, and the Indian manager assumed that
there would be no problems, that could not be surmounted. This has led
to a completely fiasco of that outsourced Telephone Answering Service.
That is just one example of lack of understand of one another.

Re: India is the un-China, says Time [message #217252 ]

Mi, 21 Juni 2006 09:52

usenet

In article <1150828732.007804.218190 [at] u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com>,
"mbl*" <mbplee [at] gmail.com> posted:
>
> Murphy wrote:
>
> > "Dr.Sahib.Pandit.Shri.Shri.Rainam Ji Maharaj Ji Ustad"
> > <praina246898 [at] rediffmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:1150789721.972649.132010 [at] i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
> > >
> > > http://www.hindustantimes.com/news/7598_1724081,00050002.htm
> > >
> > > A "breathtaking shift" in US policy towards India - declaring it a
> > > strategic partner and offering it a bilateral deal to share nuclear
> > > know how - can be explained, according to Time magazine, simply by one
> > > phrase: India is the un-China.
> > >
> > > Washington's new approach to India is so explained by the American news
> > > magazine in its latest issue hitting the news stands on Monday with its
> > > cover story "INDIA INC - Why the World's Biggest Democracy is the Next
> > > Great Economic Superpower- and What it Means for America."
> >
> > As usual, time magazine is far behind the curve. India hit its climax last
> > year and is only going down. Backsourcing of jobs to the U.S. and the lack
> > of real talent in India are the biggest reasons and it's going to put
> > India's economy in a depression. This also means that Dr Shithead Sahib
> > will have to get a real job scooping shit instead of posting his spam shit
> > here all day.
>
> Back-sourcing: lack of talent is not the cause of this phenomenon. The
> fault is greed and the lack of knowledge of the people and the culture
> of the out-sourced country. All the executives saw was the labour cost,
> the ability to speak and understand English, and the ability to work a
> computer keyboard.All the promoters saw was the savings in money
> because of the differences in labour cost. On paper it looked like a
> profit making system.
>
> Let us look at just the "Telephone Answering Service". No one took into
> consideration whether a bright young Indian telephone operator would
> easily understand a broad Yorkshireman or a Scotsman who has never
> travelled out of Glasgow all his life with their heavy regional accent.
> Or vice versa, whether, these men could understand the accent of a
> young Indian who spoke like everyone else from their village? Or
> whether the Indian operator understood English colloqialisms or diction
> not normally used in India? The use of diction, varies with regions,
> and pronounciations also vary a great deal. Then there is the
> geography, and the references to local shops, that are by-words in
> England but never heard of in India. Like, the "chippy", or "Boots",
> or"visionexpress", or "MnS", or "Natwest", or "bt", or "2 quids
> worth", or "surgery", or "will it be a Chinese or Indian?"and so many
> phrases in common use here that makes no sense over there. So naturally
> there is complete frustration, and that leads to mistrust and
> suspicions. Would you dare make a bank transfer when you are not sure
> if you were properly understood?
>
> So The sponsor company management did not understand what was the real
> spoken English usuage in India, and the Indian manager assumed that
> there would be no problems, that could not be surmounted. This has led
> to a completely fiasco of that outsourced Telephone Answering Service.
> That is just one example of lack of understand of one another.

You have to realize something: a lot of companies simply don't
want voice contact with their customers. For them the accent
difference works wonders.

Jai Maharaj
http://tinyurl.com/a5ljc
http://www.mantra.com/jai
Om Shanti

Re: India is the un-China, says Time [message #217315 ]

Mi, 21 Juni 2006 20:10

Maynard Man

<usenet [at] mantra.com7hOzYsuTQ9U or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr. Jai Maharaj)> wrote
in message news:20060620Lq13oeW7hOzYsuTQ9Uosy6m [at] G06UW...
> In article <1150828732.007804.218190 [at] u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com>,
> "mbl*" <mbplee [at] gmail.com> posted:

>> Let us look at just the "Telephone Answering Service". No one took into
>> consideration whether a bright young Indian telephone operator would
>> easily understand a broad Yorkshireman or a Scotsman who has never
>> travelled out of Glasgow all his life with their heavy regional accent.
>> Or vice versa, whether, these men could understand the accent of a
>> young Indian who spoke like everyone else from their village? Or
>> whether the Indian operator understood English colloqialisms or diction
>> not normally used in India? The use of diction, varies with regions,
>> and pronounciations also vary a great deal. Then there is the
>> geography, and the references to local shops, that are by-words in
>> England but never heard of in India. Like, the "chippy", or "Boots",
>> or"visionexpress", or "MnS", or "Natwest", or "bt", or "2 quids
>> worth", or "surgery", or "will it be a Chinese or Indian?"and so many
>> phrases in common use here that makes no sense over there. So naturally
>> there is complete frustration, and that leads to mistrust and
>> suspicions. Would you dare make a bank transfer when you are not sure
>> if you were properly understood?
>>
>> So The sponsor company management did not understand what was the real
>> spoken English usuage in India, and the Indian manager assumed that
>> there would be no problems, that could not be surmounted. This has led
>> to a completely fiasco of that outsourced Telephone Answering Service.
>> That is just one example of lack of understand of one another.
>
> You have to realize something: a lot of companies simply don't
> want voice contact with their customers. For them the accent
> difference works wonders.
>
> Jai Maharaj
> http://tinyurl.com/a5ljc
> http://www.mantra.com/jai
> Om Shanti
>

The use of outsourced Telephone Srvice and call ceantres in India is
actually a problem. The accent, not the use of the English language, is very
difficult to understand. The accent difference is without doubt a
hinderence, and some companies are experiencing a loss of customers due to
this. They also have a different type of character which affects the
communication between the two way conversation. Some companies, Dell for
instance, offer a premium service where instead of getting a robot in India
reading from a que card you get straight through to someone in your own
country who you can discuss the problem with properly.
Basically, India is the cheap option...

Re: India is the un-China, says Time [message #217325 ]

Mi, 21 Juni 2006 21:04

ppp

On Wed, 21 Jun 2006 19:10:07 +0100, "Maynard Man"
<mighty [at] hammers.co.uk> wrote:

>The use of outsourced Telephone Srvice and call ceantres in India is
>actually a problem. The accent, not the use of the English language, is very
>difficult to understand. The accent difference is without doubt a
>hinderence, and some companies are experiencing a loss of customers due to
>this. They also have a different type of character which affects the
>communication between the two way conversation. Some companies, Dell for
>instance, offer a premium service where instead of getting a robot in India
>reading from a que card you get straight through to someone in your own
>country who you can discuss the problem with properly.
>Basically, India is the cheap option...
>

PPP: Outsourced back office functions that are transparent to the
customer, where there no person to person voice interaction, is where
India is excellent in. These functions could include accounting, tax
consultations, processing insurance claims, credit checks, recording
and reading medical data and so on and so forth. In real time person
to person interaction, quite aside from problems with accents and
missed signals because Indians do not know American or English slang
expressions, it is all too obvious to the caller that he/she is not
speaking to someone knowledgeable in his/her problems. Plus the
Indian responder will likely remind the caller that a job had been
lost to a low cost country.

Re: India is the un-China, says Time [message #217334 ]

Mi, 21 Juni 2006 21:24

usenet

In article <wYqdnUHzr67hFgTZRVny1Q [at] bt.com>,
"Maynard Man" <mighty [at] hammers.co.uk> posted:
>
> www.mantra.com/jai (Dr. Jai Maharaj) posted:
>
> > In article <1150828732.007804.218190 [at] u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com>,
> > "mbl*" <mbplee [at] gmail.com> posted:
>
> >> Let us look at just the "Telephone Answering Service". No one took into
> >> consideration whether a bright young Indian telephone operator would
> >> easily understand a broad Yorkshireman or a Scotsman who has never
> >> travelled out of Glasgow all his life with their heavy regional accent.
> >> Or vice versa, whether, these men could understand the accent of a
> >> young Indian who spoke like everyone else from their village? Or
> >> whether the Indian operator understood English colloqialisms or diction
> >> not normally used in India? The use of diction, varies with regions,
> >> and pronounciations also vary a great deal. Then there is the
> >> geography, and the references to local shops, that are by-words in
> >> England but never heard of in India. Like, the "chippy", or "Boots",
> >> or"visionexpress", or "MnS", or "Natwest", or "bt", or "2 quids
> >> worth", or "surgery", or "will it be a Chinese or Indian?"and so many
> >> phrases in common use here that makes no sense over there. So naturally
> >> there is complete frustration, and that leads to mistrust and
> >> suspicions. Would you dare make a bank transfer when you are not sure
> >> if you were properly understood?
> >>
> >> So The sponsor company management did not understand what was the real
> >> spoken English usuage in India, and the Indian manager assumed that
> >> there would be no problems, that could not be surmounted. This has led
> >> to a completely fiasco of that outsourced Telephone Answering Service.
> >> That is just one example of lack of understand of one another.
> >
> > You have to realize something: a lot of companies simply don't
> > want voice contact with their customers. For them the accent
> > difference works wonders. Jai Maharaj
>
> The use of outsourced Telephone Srvice and call ceantres in India is
> actually a problem. The accent, not the use of the English language, is very
> difficult to understand. The accent difference is without doubt a
> hinderence, and some companies are experiencing a loss of customers due to
> this. They also have a different type of character which affects the
> communication between the two way conversation. Some companies, Dell for
> instance, offer a premium service where instead of getting a robot in India
> reading from a que card you get straight through to someone in your own
> country who you can discuss the problem with properly.
> Basically, India is the cheap option...

I wonder how many customers are actually being "lost" due
to the differences in accent. But as far as inexpensive
options are concerned, saving money is as much a corporate
priority as it is a personal one. One also has to strike a
balance between customer satisfaction through better products
and customer satisfaction through better customer support. The
former is really the key to the latter.

Jai Maharaj
http://tinyurl.com/a5ljc
http://www.mantra.com/jai
Om Shanti

Re: India is the un-China, says Time [message #217340 ]

Mi, 21 Juni 2006 22:51

harmony

give the hindus a little time to catch up on the accents. they are trying
hard and learning every day. it seems they get the american accents quite
well. the funny brit accent can be a problem - even for the brits: the
murphy's law originated in britain, which says no matter how clearly you
explain people will misunderstand you.

<usenet [at] mantra.com6Lgyp9 or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr. Jai Maharaj)> wrote in
message news:20060621K6MoJnc7Lt4q6Lgyp9Dbynu [at] X9x0g...
> In article <wYqdnUHzr67hFgTZRVny1Q [at] bt.com>,
> "Maynard Man" <mighty [at] hammers.co.uk> posted:
>>
>> www.mantra.com/jai (Dr. Jai Maharaj) posted:
>>
>> > In article <1150828732.007804.218190 [at] u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com>,
>> > "mbl*" <mbplee [at] gmail.com> posted:
>>
>> >> Let us look at just the "Telephone Answering Service". No one took
>> >> into
>> >> consideration whether a bright young Indian telephone operator would
>> >> easily understand a broad Yorkshireman or a Scotsman who has never
>> >> travelled out of Glasgow all his life with their heavy regional
>> >> accent.
>> >> Or vice versa, whether, these men could understand the accent of a
>> >> young Indian who spoke like everyone else from their village? Or
>> >> whether the Indian operator understood English colloqialisms or
>> >> diction
>> >> not normally used in India? The use of diction, varies with regions,
>> >> and pronounciations also vary a great deal. Then there is the
>> >> geography, and the references to local shops, that are by-words in
>> >> England but never heard of in India. Like, the "chippy", or "Boots",
>> >> or"visionexpress", or "MnS", or "Natwest", or "bt", or "2 quids
>> >> worth", or "surgery", or "will it be a Chinese or Indian?"and so many
>> >> phrases in common use here that makes no sense over there. So
>> >> naturally
>> >> there is complete frustration, and that leads to mistrust and
>> >> suspicions. Would you dare make a bank transfer when you are not sure
>> >> if you were properly understood?
>> >>
>> >> So The sponsor company management did not understand what was the real
>> >> spoken English usuage in India, and the Indian manager assumed that
>> >> there would be no problems, that could not be surmounted. This has led
>> >> to a completely fiasco of that outsourced Telephone Answering Service.
>> >> That is just one example of lack of understand of one another.
>> >
>> > You have to realize something: a lot of companies simply don't
>> > want voice contact with their customers. For them the accent
>> > difference works wonders. Jai Maharaj
>>
>> The use of outsourced Telephone Srvice and call ceantres in India is
>> actually a problem. The accent, not the use of the English language, is
>> very
>> difficult to understand. The accent difference is without doubt a
>> hinderence, and some companies are experiencing a loss of customers due
>> to
>> this. They also have a different type of character which affects the
>> communication between the two way conversation. Some companies, Dell for
>> instance, offer a premium service where instead of getting a robot in
>> India
>> reading from a que card you get straight through to someone in your own
>> country who you can discuss the problem with properly.
>> Basically, India is the cheap option...
>
> I wonder how many customers are actually being "lost" due
> to the differences in accent. But as far as inexpensive
> options are concerned, saving money is as much a corporate
> priority as it is a personal one. One also has to strike a
> balance between customer satisfaction through better products
> and customer satisfaction through better customer support. The
> former is really the key to the latter.
>
> Jai Maharaj
> http://tinyurl.com/a5ljc
> http://www.mantra.com/jai
> Om Shanti

Re: India is the un-China, says Time [message #217342 ]

Mi, 21 Juni 2006 22:57

look

harmony aka Pardipshit Parekh wrote:

> give the hindus a little time to catch up on the accents. they are trying
> hard and learning every day. it seems they get the american accents quite
> well.

After 20 years of inflicting your presence on the Unites States, you
have nothing approaching an American accent. That's because you hang out
with VHP trash, and your hatred of Americans keeps you from mingling
with them.

Re: India is the un-China, says Time [message #217360 ]

Do, 22 Juni 2006 02:06

usenet

I doubt if many of them are Hindus. One-hundred percent of the
people answering the phones at the call centers in Bharat that I
have talked to and quizzed have been Christian converts. I have
talked to many; some have confided in me that conversion is a
job requirement. maybe the company owners are under the impression
that this will impress the western callers.

Jai Maharaj
http://tinyurl.com/a5ljc
http://www.mantra.com/jai
Om Shanti

In article <ejimg.261830$5Z.5060 [at] dukeread02>,
"harmony" <aka [at] hotmail.com> posted:
> give the hindus a little time to catch up on the accents. they are trying
> hard and learning every day. it seems they get the american accents quite
> well. the funny brit accent can be a problem - even for the brits: the
> murphy's law originated in britain, which says no matter how clearly you
> explain people will misunderstand you.
>
>
> www.mantra.com/jai (Dr. Jai Maharaj) posted:
>
> > In article <wYqdnUHzr67hFgTZRVny1Q [at] bt.com>,
> > "Maynard Man" <mighty [at] hammers.co.uk> posted:
> >>
> >> www.mantra.com/jai (Dr. Jai Maharaj) posted:
> >>
> >> > In article <1150828732.007804.218190 [at] u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com>,
> >> > "mbl*" <mbplee [at] gmail.com> posted:
> >>
> >> >> Let us look at just the "Telephone Answering Service". No one took
> >> >> into
> >> >> consideration whether a bright young Indian telephone operator would
> >> >> easily understand a broad Yorkshireman or a Scotsman who has never
> >> >> travelled out of Glasgow all his life with their heavy regional
> >> >> accent.
> >> >> Or vice versa, whether, these men could understand the accent of a
> >> >> young Indian who spoke like everyone else from their village? Or
> >> >> whether the Indian operator understood English colloqialisms or
> >> >> diction
> >> >> not normally used in India? The use of diction, varies with regions,
> >> >> and pronounciations also vary a great deal. Then there is the
> >> >> geography, and the references to local shops, that are by-words in
> >> >> England but never heard of in India. Like, the "chippy", or "Boots",
> >> >> or"visionexpress", or "MnS", or "Natwest", or "bt", or "2 quids
> >> >> worth", or "surgery", or "will it be a Chinese or Indian?"and so many
> >> >> phrases in common use here that makes no sense over there. So
> >> >> naturally
> >> >> there is complete frustration, and that leads to mistrust and
> >> >> suspicions. Would you dare make a bank transfer when you are not sure
> >> >> if you were properly understood?
> >> >>
> >> >> So The sponsor company management did not understand what was the real
> >> >> spoken English usuage in India, and the Indian manager assumed that
> >> >> there would be no problems, that could not be surmounted. This has led
> >> >> to a completely fiasco of that outsourced Telephone Answering Service.
> >> >> That is just one example of lack of understand of one another.
> >> >
> >> > You have to realize something: a lot of companies simply don't
> >> > want voice contact with their customers. For them the accent
> >> > difference works wonders. Jai Maharaj
> >>
> >> The use of outsourced Telephone Srvice and call ceantres in India is
> >> actually a problem. The accent, not the use of the English language, is
> >> very
> >> difficult to understand. The accent difference is without doubt a
> >> hinderence, and some companies are experiencing a loss of customers due
> >> to
> >> this. They also have a different type of character which affects the
> >> communication between the two way conversation. Some companies, Dell for
> >> instance, offer a premium service where instead of getting a robot in
> >> India
> >> reading from a que card you get straight through to someone in your own
> >> country who you can discuss the problem with properly.
> >> Basically, India is the cheap option...
> >
> > I wonder how many customers are actually being "lost" due
> > to the differences in accent. But as far as inexpensive
> > options are concerned, saving money is as much a corporate
> > priority as it is a personal one. One also has to strike a
> > balance between customer satisfaction through better products
> > and customer satisfaction through better customer support. The
> > former is really the key to the latter.
> >
> > Jai Maharaj
> > http://tinyurl.com/a5ljc
> > http://www.mantra.com/jai
> > Om Shanti
>
>

Re: India is the un-China, says Time [message #217453 ]

Do, 22 Juni 2006 16:19

harmony

it's easy to reconvert back. i ask them their real hindu names, and make
them feel proud of their heritage.
having to convert out for financial reason alone reflects poorly on the
society, the country and the world, and most importantly on the paymasters
who create, encourage or ignore that environment of slavery.

the real reason for the assumption of kirastani names is not really that it
makes one appear caller-friendly (the caller would have to be really an sob
bigot to expect that, and most callers are not), but to cushion off the
anti-free-trade media that have raised the hysteria against outsourcing. a
lot of jobs were outsourced to europe in the past, and still are, but the
racists like lou dobbs were ok with it. lou dobs never raises a word about
jobs "lost" to ireland, eg. the damn racists are so transparent, you can see
their ugly brains and corroded souls.

<usenet [at] mantra.com and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr. Jai Maharaj)> wrote in
message news:20060621P2jvDpzGF60U4qQ5D9tPA41 [at] H8KF1...
>I doubt if many of them are Hindus. One-hundred percent of the
> people answering the phones at the call centers in Bharat that I
> have talked to and quizzed have been Christian converts. I have
> talked to many; some have confided in me that conversion is a
> job requirement. maybe the company owners are under the impression
> that this will impress the western callers.
>
> Jai Maharaj
> http://tinyurl.com/a5ljc
> http://www.mantra.com/jai
> Om Shanti
>
> In article <ejimg.261830$5Z.5060 [at] dukeread02>,
> "harmony" <aka [at] hotmail.com> posted:
>> give the hindus a little time to catch up on the accents. they are trying
>> hard and learning every day. it seems they get the american accents quite
>> well. the funny brit accent can be a problem - even for the brits: the
>> murphy's law originated in britain, which says no matter how clearly you
>> explain people will misunderstand you.
>>
>>
>> www.mantra.com/jai (Dr. Jai Maharaj) posted:
>>
>> > In article <wYqdnUHzr67hFgTZRVny1Q [at] bt.com>,
>> > "Maynard Man" <mighty [at] hammers.co.uk> posted:
>> >>
>> >> www.mantra.com/jai (Dr. Jai Maharaj) posted:
>> >>
>> >> > In article <1150828732.007804.218190 [at] u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com>,
>> >> > "mbl*" <mbplee [at] gmail.com> posted:
>> >>
>> >> >> Let us look at just the "Telephone Answering Service". No one took
>> >> >> into
>> >> >> consideration whether a bright young Indian telephone operator
>> >> >> would
>> >> >> easily understand a broad Yorkshireman or a Scotsman who has never
>> >> >> travelled out of Glasgow all his life with their heavy regional
>> >> >> accent.
>> >> >> Or vice versa, whether, these men could understand the accent of a
>> >> >> young Indian who spoke like everyone else from their village? Or
>> >> >> whether the Indian operator understood English colloqialisms or
>> >> >> diction
>> >> >> not normally used in India? The use of diction, varies with
>> >> >> regions,
>> >> >> and pronounciations also vary a great deal. Then there is the
>> >> >> geography, and the references to local shops, that are by-words in
>> >> >> England but never heard of in India. Like, the "chippy", or
>> >> >> "Boots",
>> >> >> or"visionexpress", or "MnS", or "Natwest", or "bt", or "2 quids
>> >> >> worth", or "surgery", or "will it be a Chinese or Indian?"and so
>> >> >> many
>> >> >> phrases in common use here that makes no sense over there. So
>> >> >> naturally
>> >> >> there is complete frustration, and that leads to mistrust and
>> >> >> suspicions. Would you dare make a bank transfer when you are not
>> >> >> sure
>> >> >> if you were properly understood?
>> >> >>
>> >> >> So The sponsor company management did not understand what was the
>> >> >> real
>> >> >> spoken English usuage in India, and the Indian manager assumed that
>> >> >> there would be no problems, that could not be surmounted. This has
>> >> >> led
>> >> >> to a completely fiasco of that outsourced Telephone Answering
>> >> >> Service.
>> >> >> That is just one example of lack of understand of one another.
>> >> >
>> >> > You have to realize something: a lot of companies simply don't
>> >> > want voice contact with their customers. For them the accent
>> >> > difference works wonders. Jai Maharaj
>> >>
>> >> The use of outsourced Telephone Srvice and call ceantres in India is
>> >> actually a problem. The accent, not the use of the English language,
>> >> is
>> >> very
>> >> difficult to understand. The accent difference is without doubt a
>> >> hinderence, and some companies are experiencing a loss of customers
>> >> due
>> >> to
>> >> this. They also have a different type of character which affects the
>> >> communication between the two way conversation. Some companies, Dell
>> >> for
>> >> instance, offer a premium service where instead of getting a robot in
>> >> India
>> >> reading from a que card you get straight through to someone in your
>> >> own
>> >> country who you can discuss the problem with properly.
>> >> Basically, India is the cheap option...
>> >
>> > I wonder how many customers are actually being "lost" due
>> > to the differences in accent. But as far as inexpensive
>> > options are concerned, saving money is as much a corporate
>> > priority as it is a personal one. One also has to strike a
>> > balance between customer satisfaction through better products
>> > and customer satisfaction through better customer support. The
>> > former is really the key to the latter.
>> >
>> > Jai Maharaj
>> > http://tinyurl.com/a5ljc
>> > http://www.mantra.com/jai
>> > Om Shanti
>>
>>

Re: India is the un-China, says Time [message #217482 ]

Do, 22 Juni 2006 18:38

look

harmony aka Pardipshit Parekh wrote:

> the real reason for the assumption of kirastani names is not really that it
> makes one appear caller-friendly (the caller would have to be really an sob
> bigot to expect that, and most callers are not),

That's not what Johnny Maharaj(the owner of the asshole your head is up
in) said. What he said is that they were "Christian converts" and that
"conversion is a job requirement". He said nothing about assuming
western names. Which, btw, a total f*****g idiot like you doesn't
realize, is to make it easier for people to communicate. It's hard for
most westerners to remember the name "Pradipshit".

Re: India is the un-China, says Time [message #217483 ]

Do, 22 Juni 2006 18:38

look

Johnny Judas Jay "the jumpin' jackass" Maharaj wrote:

> I doubt if many of them are Hindus. One-hundred percent of the
> people answering the phones at the call centers in Bharat that I
> have talked to and quizzed have been Christian converts. I have
> talked to many; some have confided in me that conversion is a
> job requirement. maybe the company owners are under the impression
> that this will impress the western callers.

You lying piece of shit! The call centers are run by Hindus, as part of
businesses owned by Hindus and in one high-profile case, by a Muslim.
How the f**k would Hindus make conversion to Christianity "a job
requirement"? You lying m****r-f****r!

Re: India is the un-China, says Time [message #217484 ]

Do, 22 Juni 2006 18:53

Maynard Man

"harmony" <aka [at] hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:XFxmg.271175$5Z.220201 [at] dukeread02...
but to cushion off the
> anti-free-trade media that have raised the hysteria against outsourcing. a
> lot of jobs were outsourced to europe in the past,
#

The fact is, it is cheap labour. You take someone with little or limited
knowledge on a subject and you can pay them peanuts.
The only reason the call centres are outsourced is to save money.

Re: India is the un-China, says Time [message #217487 ]

Do, 22 Juni 2006 19:33

mbplee

Maynard Man wrote:

> "harmony" <aka [at] hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:XFxmg.271175$5Z.220201 [at] dukeread02...
> but to cushion off the
> > anti-free-trade media that have raised the hysteria against outsourcing. a
> > lot of jobs were outsourced to europe in the past,
> #
>
> The fact is, it is cheap labour. You take someone with little or limited
> knowledge on a subject and you can pay them peanuts.
> The only reason the call centres are outsourced is to save money.

Lack of effective understanding, and the confusion it caused, and the
mistakes created because of the differences in the usage of English has
practically killed off this Offshore Call Service practice except for a
few special cases. And this is due to the lack of understanding of the
different cultures and regional and coloqial language usuage in
different parts of the world. It is no reflection on the operators, but
it does reflect upon the judgement of the management who promoted this
idea for their lack of perception.

Re: India is the un-China, says Time [message #217491 ]

Do, 22 Juni 2006 19:46

harmony

"Maynard Man" <mighty [at] hammers.co.uk> wrote in message
news:3fudnS-38NyOVgfZnZ2dnUVZ8qCdnZ2d [at] bt.com...
>
> "harmony" <aka [at] hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:XFxmg.271175$5Z.220201 [at] dukeread02...
> but to cushion off the
>> anti-free-trade media that have raised the hysteria against outsourcing.
>> a lot of jobs were outsourced to europe in the past,
> #
>
> The fact is, it is cheap labour. You take someone with little or limited
> knowledge on a subject and you can pay them peanuts.
> The only reason the call centres are outsourced is to save money.
>

it's a shame many americans fail to see this in geopolitical and strategic
terms which has a direct bearing on next 100 yrs.

usa has a vested interest in seeing the hindus succeed and get them in the
american orbit. this is a very simple truth, philosophically foremost, and
equally practically.
the american people, therefore, need to be more appreciative of them, and
should show patience like you would with any one trying to learn the ropes
in your neighborhood. don't put them down in moments of frustration and
haste. they are fast learners and most importantly, meticulously civilized
people who are eager join the ranks of the civilized countries of the world,
and who deserve a break after over 10 centuries of oppression. did you know
that india is about the only country that has a favorable opinon of the usa
with a rating of 70pct? (ie a number pretty consistent with the hindu pct
population in india)

when you look at the whole vast stretch of earth in the noneuropean lands,
there aren't many worthy democracies that are going anywhere in a hurry.
the hindus are; so get them on board. they want to be in your team, the
time is right, they are well on their way up, the cost is little, and they
are a positive influence in society. it isn't money only, however. usa is
already engaged with india at nearly all levels of civil society. a few
dislocations within usa as a result is a very small adjustment to make. usa
has paid far far bigger price in the past for such things. this issue needs
thinking outside the box.

Re: India is the un-China, says Time [message #217499 ]

Do, 22 Juni 2006 21:07

look

harmony aka Pardipshit Parekh wrote:

> it's a shame many americans fail to see this in geopolitical and strategic
> terms which has a direct bearing on next 100 yrs.
>
> usa has a vested interest in seeing the hindus succeed and get them in the
> american orbit.

Hindus like you? Assholes who live in the heart of America and, like a
cancer, gnaw away at the vitals? An anti-American, hate-mongering
anti-Christian like you? A rabid white-hater like you?

Re: India is the un-China, says Time [message #217504 ]

Do, 22 Juni 2006 23:21

Dr. Homilete wrote:
> harmony aka Pardipshit Parekh wrote:
>> it's a shame many americans fail to see this in geopolitical and
>> strategic terms which has a direct bearing on next 100 yrs.
>>
>> usa has a vested interest in seeing the hindus succeed and get them in
>> the american orbit.
>
> Hindus like you? Assholes who live in the heart of America and, like a
> cancer, gnaw away at the vitals? An anti-American, hate-mongering
> anti-Christian like you? A rabid white-hater like you?

Why not? Even though Saudis brought down the WTC towers, doesn't the US
still seem to have a vested interest in Saudi Arabia?

Re: India is the un-China, says Time [message #217519 ]

Fr, 23 Juni 2006 01:03

usenet

It is a good thing that you do by asking them their
real names, but aren't their supervisors listening in
usually or the conversations recorded? My concern is
about their getting fired for not staying on track.
They are being forced to use firangee names.

Jai Maharaj
http://tinyurl.com/a5ljc
http://www.mantra.com/jai
Om Shanti

In article <XFxmg.271175$5Z.220201 [at] dukeread02>,
"harmony" <aka [at] hotmail.com> posted:
> it's easy to reconvert back. i ask them their real hindu names, and make
> them feel proud of their heritage.
> having to convert out for financial reason alone reflects poorly on the
> society, the country and the world, and most importantly on the paymasters
> who create, encourage or ignore that environment of slavery.
>
> the real reason for the assumption of kirastani names is not really that it
> makes one appear caller-friendly (the caller would have to be really an sob
> bigot to expect that, and most callers are not), but to cushion off the
> anti-free-trade media that have raised the hysteria against outsourcing. a
> lot of jobs were outsourced to europe in the past, and still are, but the
> racists like lou dobbs were ok with it. lou dobs never raises a word about
> jobs "lost" to ireland, eg. the damn racists are so transparent, you can see
> their ugly brains and corroded souls.
>
>
>
> www.mantra.com/jai (Dr. Jai Maharaj) posted:
>
> >I doubt if many of them are Hindus. One-hundred percent of the
> > people answering the phones at the call centers in Bharat that I
> > have talked to and quizzed have been Christian converts. I have
> > talked to many; some have confided in me that conversion is a
> > job requirement. maybe the company owners are under the impression
> > that this will impress the western callers.
> >
> > Jai Maharaj
> > http://tinyurl.com/a5ljc
> > http://www.mantra.com/jai
> > Om Shanti
> >
> > In article <ejimg.261830$5Z.5060 [at] dukeread02>,
> > "harmony" <aka [at] hotmail.com> posted:
> >> give the hindus a little time to catch up on the accents. they are trying
> >> hard and learning every day. it seems they get the american accents quite
> >> well. the funny brit accent can be a problem - even for the brits: the
> >> murphy's law originated in britain, which says no matter how clearly you
> >> explain people will misunderstand you.
> >>
> >>
> >> www.mantra.com/jai (Dr. Jai Maharaj) posted:
> >>
> >> > In article <wYqdnUHzr67hFgTZRVny1Q [at] bt.com>,
> >> > "Maynard Man" <mighty [at] hammers.co.uk> posted:
> >> >>
> >> >> www.mantra.com/jai (Dr. Jai Maharaj) posted:
> >> >>
> >> >> > In article <1150828732.007804.218190 [at] u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com>,
> >> >> > "mbl*" <mbplee [at] gmail.com> posted:
> >> >>
> >> >> >> Let us look at just the "Telephone Answering Service". No one took
> >> >> >> into
> >> >> >> consideration whether a bright young Indian telephone operator
> >> >> >> would
> >> >> >> easily understand a broad Yorkshireman or a Scotsman who has never
> >> >> >> travelled out of Glasgow all his life with their heavy regional
> >> >> >> accent.
> >> >> >> Or vice versa, whether, these men could understand the accent of a
> >> >> >> young Indian who spoke like everyone else from their village? Or
> >> >> >> whether the Indian operator understood English colloqialisms or
> >> >> >> diction
> >> >> >> not normally used in India? The use of diction, varies with
> >> >> >> regions,
> >> >> >> and pronounciations also vary a great deal. Then there is the
> >> >> >> geography, and the references to local shops, that are by-words in
> >> >> >> England but never heard of in India. Like, the "chippy", or
> >> >> >> "Boots",
> >> >> >> or"visionexpress", or "MnS", or "Natwest", or "bt", or "2 quids
> >> >> >> worth", or "surgery", or "will it be a Chinese or Indian?"and so
> >> >> >> many
> >> >> >> phrases in common use here that makes no sense over there. So
> >> >> >> naturally
> >> >> >> there is complete frustration, and that leads to mistrust and
> >> >> >> suspicions. Would you dare make a bank transfer when you are not
> >> >> >> sure
> >> >> >> if you were properly understood?
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> So The sponsor company management did not understand what was the
> >> >> >> real
> >> >> >> spoken English usuage in India, and the Indian manager assumed that
> >> >> >> there would be no problems, that could not be surmounted. This has
> >> >> >> led
> >> >> >> to a completely fiasco of that outsourced Telephone Answering
> >> >> >> Service.
> >> >> >> That is just one example of lack of understand of one another.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > You have to realize something: a lot of companies simply don't
> >> >> > want voice contact with their customers. For them the accent
> >> >> > difference works wonders. Jai Maharaj
> >> >>
> >> >> The use of outsourced Telephone Srvice and call ceantres in India is
> >> >> actually a problem. The accent, not the use of the English language,
> >> >> is
> >> >> very
> >> >> difficult to understand. The accent difference is without doubt a
> >> >> hinderence, and some companies are experiencing a loss of customers
> >> >> due
> >> >> to
> >> >> this. They also have a different type of character which affects the
> >> >> communication between the two way conversation. Some companies, Dell
> >> >> for
> >> >> instance, offer a premium service where instead of getting a robot in
> >> >> India
> >> >> reading from a que card you get straight through to someone in your
> >> >> own
> >> >> country who you can discuss the problem with properly.
> >> >> Basically, India is the cheap option...
> >> >
> >> > I wonder how many customers are actually being "lost" due
> >> > to the differences in accent. But as far as inexpensive
> >> > options are concerned, saving money is as much a corporate
> >> > priority as it is a personal one. One also has to strike a
> >> > balance between customer satisfaction through better products
> >> > and customer satisfaction through better customer support. The
> >> > former is really the key to the latter.
> >> >
> >> > Jai Maharaj
> >> > http://tinyurl.com/a5ljc
> >> > http://www.mantra.com/jai
> >> > Om Shanti
> >>
> >>
>
>

Re: India is the un-China, says Time [message #217520 ]

Fr, 23 Juni 2006 01:11

usenet

In article <SHAmg.273171$5Z.95503 [at] dukeread02>,
"harmony" <aka [at] hotmail.com> posted:
>
> "Maynard Man" <mighty [at] hammers.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:3fudnS-38NyOVgfZnZ2dnUVZ8qCdnZ2d [at] bt.com...
> >
> > "harmony" <aka [at] hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:XFxmg.271175$5Z.220201 [at] dukeread02...
> > but to cushion off the
> >> anti-free-trade media that have raised the hysteria against outsourcing.
> >> a lot of jobs were outsourced to europe in the past,
> > #
> >
> > The fact is, it is cheap labour. You take someone with little or limited
> > knowledge on a subject and you can pay them peanuts.
> > The only reason the call centres are outsourced is to save money.
> >
>
> it's a shame many americans fail to see this in geopolitical and strategic
> terms which has a direct bearing on next 100 yrs.
>
> usa has a vested interest in seeing the hindus succeed and get them in the
> american orbit. this is a very simple truth, philosophically foremost, and
> equally practically.
> the american people, therefore, need to be more appreciative of them, and
> should show patience like you would with any one trying to learn the ropes
> in your neighborhood. don't put them down in moments of frustration and
> haste. they are fast learners and most importantly, meticulously civilized
> people who are eager join the ranks of the civilized countries of the world,
> and who deserve a break after over 10 centuries of oppression. did you know
> that india is about the only country that has a favorable opinon of the usa
> with a rating of 70pct? (ie a number pretty consistent with the hindu pct
> population in india)
>
> when you look at the whole vast stretch of earth in the noneuropean lands,
> there aren't many worthy democracies that are going anywhere in a hurry.
> the hindus are; so get them on board. they want to be in your team, the
> time is right, they are well on their way up, the cost is little, and they
> are a positive influence in society. it isn't money only, however. usa is
> already engaged with india at nearly all levels of civil society. a few
> dislocations within usa as a result is a very small adjustment to make. usa
> has paid far far bigger price in the past for such things. this issue needs
> thinking outside the box.

Great post, harmony ji. The recommendation that the world's
two biggest democracies -- Bharat (aka India) and the US --
cooperate in every way possible comes from nearly all sources.

Jai Maharaj
http://tinyurl.com/a5ljc
http://www.mantra.com/jai
Om Shanti

Re: India is the un-China, says Time [message #217543 ]

Fr, 23 Juni 2006 04:18

look

me <noreply [at] noreply.net> wrote:

> Dr. Homilete wrote:
>
>>harmony aka Pardipshit Parekh wrote:
>>
>>>it's a shame many americans fail to see this in geopolitical and
>>>strategic terms which has a direct bearing on next 100 yrs.
>>>
>>>usa has a vested interest in seeing the hindus succeed and get them in
>>>the american orbit.
>>
>>Hindus like you? Assholes who live in the heart of America and, like a
>>cancer, gnaw away at the vitals? An anti-American, hate-mongering
>>anti-Christian like you? A rabid white-hater like you?
>
>
> Why not? Even though Saudis brought down the WTC towers, doesn't the US
> still seem to have a vested interest in Saudi Arabia?

Does that correspond to the US having "a vested interest in seeing the
Muslims succeed"? The trouble with harmony aka Pardipshit is that he is
unable to separate the notion of being Indian with being Hindu. Iow, he
sees Christians, Muslims, communists, etc. of Indian heritage as
non-Indians, perhaps "wholly subordinated to the Hindu nation". He
probably donates a substantial part of his wife's earnings as a
pediatrician to the RSS and VHP. I think the poor lady was conned into
the marriage through the wiles of some shady asstrolloger paid off by
the Parekhs, who just wanted to be rid of their wastrel son.

Re: India is the un-China, says Time [message #217544 ]

Fr, 23 Juni 2006 04:18

look

Johnny Judas Jay "the jumpin' jackass" Maharaj wrote:

> It is a good thing that you do by asking them their
> real names, but aren't their supervisors listening in
> usually or the conversations recorded? My concern is
> about their getting fired for not staying on track.
> They are being forced to use firangee names.

That's not what you wrote, you lying worthless piece of shit! You wrote:

>>>I doubt if many of them are Hindus. One-hundred percent of the
>>>people answering the phones at the call centers in Bharat that I
>>>have talked to and quizzed have been Christian converts. I have
>>>talked to many; some have confided in me that conversion is a
>>>job requirement. maybe the company owners are under the impression
>>>that this will impress the western callers.

Re: India is the un-China, says Time [message #217669 ]

Fr, 23 Juni 2006 18:11

Maynard Man

"harmony" <aka [at] hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:SHAmg.273171$5Z.95503 [at] dukeread02...
>
> "Maynard Man" <mighty [at] hammers.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:3fudnS-38NyOVgfZnZ2dnUVZ8qCdnZ2d [at] bt.com...
>>
>> "harmony" <aka [at] hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:XFxmg.271175$5Z.220201 [at] dukeread02...
>> but to cushion off the
>>> anti-free-trade media that have raised the hysteria against outsourcing.
>>> a lot of jobs were outsourced to europe in the past,
>> #
>>
>> The fact is, it is cheap labour. You take someone with little or limited
>> knowledge on a subject and you can pay them peanuts.
>> The only reason the call centres are outsourced is to save money.
>>
>
> it's a shame many americans fail to see this in geopolitical and strategic
> terms which has a direct bearing on next 100 yrs.
>
> usa has a vested interest in seeing the hindus succeed and get them in the
> american orbit. this is a very simple truth, philosophically foremost,
> and equally practically.
> the american people, therefore, need to be more appreciative of them, and
> should show patience like you would with any one trying to learn the ropes
> in your neighborhood. don't put them down in moments of frustration and
> haste. they are fast learners and most importantly, meticulously civilized
> people who are eager join the ranks of the civilized countries of the
> world, and who deserve a break after over 10 centuries of oppression. did
> you know that india is about the only country that has a favorable opinon
> of the usa with a rating of 70pct? (ie a number pretty consistent with the
> hindu pct population in india)
>
> when you look at the whole vast stretch of earth in the noneuropean lands,
> there aren't many worthy democracies that are going anywhere in a hurry.
> the hindus are; so get them on board. they want to be in your team, the
> time is right, they are well on their way up, the cost is little, and they
> are a positive influence in society. it isn't money only, however. usa is
> already engaged with india at nearly all levels of civil society. a few
> dislocations within usa as a result is a very small adjustment to make.
> usa has paid far far bigger price in the past for such things. this issue
> needs thinking outside the box.

I wouldn't know about the USA, I'm in the UK. But the fact remains that the
outsourcing to India from the UK is done to save money. Take IT forinstance,
the first line support (is it plugged in, switched on etc) which can be done
with no training from cue cards is outsourced, which is also far cheaper
than UK labour. But second line onwards where it gets a bit technical and
needs good communication then it is done from the UK. I deal with companies
that have outsourced to India and they all say the same thing. It is much
much cheaper labour in India than the UK.

Re: India is the un-China, says Time [message #217763 ]

Sa, 24 Juni 2006 08:24

usenet

In article <dbudnWV9l_UAjwHZRVnytQ [at] bt.com>,
"Maynard Man" <mighty [at] hammers.co.uk> posted:
>
> "harmony" <aka [at] hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:SHAmg.273171$5Z.95503 [at] dukeread02...
> >
> > "Maynard Man" <mighty [at] hammers.co.uk> wrote in message
> > news:3fudnS-38NyOVgfZnZ2dnUVZ8qCdnZ2d [at] bt.com...
> >>
> >> "harmony" <aka [at] hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >> news:XFxmg.271175$5Z.220201 [at] dukeread02...
> >> but to cushion off the
> >>> anti-free-trade media that have raised the hysteria against outsourcing.
> >>> a lot of jobs were outsourced to europe in the past,
> >> #
> >>
> >> The fact is, it is cheap labour. You take someone with little or limited
> >> knowledge on a subject and you can pay them peanuts.
> >> The only reason the call centres are outsourced is to save money.
> >>
> >
> > it's a shame many americans fail to see this in geopolitical and strategic
> > terms which has a direct bearing on next 100 yrs.
> >
> > usa has a vested interest in seeing the hindus succeed and get them in the
> > american orbit. this is a very simple truth, philosophically foremost,
> > and equally practically.
> > the american people, therefore, need to be more appreciative of them, and
> > should show patience like you would with any one trying to learn the ropes
> > in your neighborhood. don't put them down in moments of frustration and
> > haste. they are fast learners and most importantly, meticulously civilized
> > people who are eager join the ranks of the civilized countries of the
> > world, and who deserve a break after over 10 centuries of oppression. did
> > you know that india is about the only country that has a favorable opinon
> > of the usa with a rating of 70pct? (ie a number pretty consistent with the
> > hindu pct population in india)
> >
> > when you look at the whole vast stretch of earth in the noneuropean lands,
> > there aren't many worthy democracies that are going anywhere in a hurry.
> > the hindus are; so get them on board. they want to be in your team, the
> > time is right, they are well on their way up, the cost is little, and they
> > are a positive influence in society. it isn't money only, however. usa is
> > already engaged with india at nearly all levels of civil society. a few
> > dislocations within usa as a result is a very small adjustment to make.
> > usa has paid far far bigger price in the past for such things. this issue
> > needs thinking outside the box.
>
>
> I wouldn't know about the USA, I'm in the UK. But the fact remains that the
> outsourcing to India from the UK is done to save money. Take IT forinstance,
> the first line support (is it plugged in, switched on etc) which can be done
> with no training from cue cards is outsourced, which is also far cheaper
> than UK labour. But second line onwards where it gets a bit technical and
> needs good communication then it is done from the UK. I deal with companies
> that have outsourced to India and they all say the same thing. It is much
> much cheaper labour in India than the UK.

I have top-level support (for both hardware and software) provide a
service from Bharat, not the US (where I am located) or UK.

Jai Maharaj
http://tinyurl.com/a5ljc
http://www.mantra.com/jai
Om Shanti

Re: India is the un-China, says Time [message #217771 ]

Sa, 24 Juni 2006 11:17

peeks

Well, foreign investment is not coming to India upon a due diligence on
its infrastructure and maderb day facility...it is coming because its
people are growing higher than anywhere else in the world and so is its
people's wealth - more rapidly than anywhere else. so its obvious that
there will be more takers for products here than anywhere else. Did
Unilever not find its way to the remotest Indian village to sell its
soaps and shampoo pouches,, are the MBA clad sales people of Unilever
not servising these territories because they are ill-equipped in terms
of roads, telephonnes and buses....and Unilever has been doing it for
100 years. The americans and the europeans compromise on everything
when they smell dollar...not like us, nawabs of india
d12s34f56 [at] gmail.com wrote:

> Dr. Jai Maharaj wrote:
> > If "India is going down", as you claim, it would be
> > mainly because of corrupt politicians demanding big
> > bribes as they try to play the middleman in outsourcing
> > deals. And the "lack of real talent" claim may become
> > valid after the mediocre graduates as the result of
> > "reservation quotas" (akin to "affirmative action" in the
> > US) hit the job market in a few years.
> >
> > Jai Maharaj
> > http://tinyurl.com/a5ljc
> > http://www.mantra.com/jai
> > Om Shanti
> >
> > In article <beOlg.101096$H71.27860 [at] newssvr13.news.prodigy.com>,
> > "Murphy" <xoxoxo [at] nine.ten> posted:
> > >
> > > As usual, time magazine is far behind the curve. India hit its climax last
> > > year and is only going down. Backsourcing of jobs to the U.S. and the lack
> > > of real talent in India are the biggest reasons and it's going to put
> > > India's economy in a depression. This also means that Dr Shithead Sahib
> > > will have to get a real job scooping shit instead of posting his spam shit
> > > here all day.
> >
> > > "Dr.Sahib.Pandit.Shri.Shri.Rainam Ji Maharaj Ji Ustad"
> > > <praina246898 [at] rediffmail.com> wrote in message
> > > news:1150789721.972649.132010 [at] i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
> > > >
> > > > http://www.hindustantimes.com/news/7598_1724081,00050002.htm
> > > >
> > > > A "breathtaking shift" in US policy towards India - declaring it a
> > > > strategic partner and offering it a bilateral deal to share nuclear
> > > > know how - can be explained, according to Time magazine, simply by one
> > > > phrase: India is the un-China.
> > > >
> > > > Washington's new approach to India is so explained by the American news
> > > > magazine in its latest issue hitting the news stands on Monday with its
> > > > cover story "INDIA INC - Why the World's Biggest Democracy is the Next
> > > > Great Economic Superpower- and What it Means for America."
>
> India's infrastructure is plain awful, you can not expect to continue
> getting foreign investment if the quality of road, power, and
> telecommunications contrasts so sharply with the next door competitor,
> sooner or later, India will hit the bottleneck if only because the bad
> transport system.

Re: India is the un-China, says Time [message #217791 ]

Sa, 24 Juni 2006 12:42

mbplee

peeks wrote:

> Well, foreign investment is not coming to India upon a due diligence on
> its infrastructure and maderb day facility...it is coming because its
> people are growing higher than anywhere else in the world and so is its
> people's wealth - more rapidly than anywhere else. so its obvious that
> there will be more takers for products here than anywhere else. Did
> Unilever not find its way to the remotest Indian village to sell its
> soaps and shampoo pouches,, are the MBA clad sales people of Unilever
> not servising these territories because they are ill-equipped in terms
> of roads, telephonnes and buses....and Unilever has been doing it for
> 100 years. The americans and the europeans compromise on everything
> when they smell dollar...not like us, nawabs of india

Peeks, Please do tell us about the "Nawabs of India". Are they really
people of principle?
> d12s34f56 [at] gmail.com wrote:
>
> > Dr. Jai Maharaj wrote:
> > > If "India is going down", as you claim, it would be
> > > mainly because of corrupt politicians demanding big
> > > bribes as they try to play the middleman in outsourcing
> > > deals. And the "lack of real talent" claim may become
> > > valid after the mediocre graduates as the result of
> > > "reservation quotas" (akin to "affirmative action" in the
> > > US) hit the job market in a few years.
> > >
> > > Jai Maharaj
> > > http://tinyurl.com/a5ljc
> > > http://www.mantra.com/jai
> > > Om Shanti
> > >
> > > In article <beOlg.101096$H71.27860 [at] newssvr13.news.prodigy.com>,
> > > "Murphy" <xoxoxo [at] nine.ten> posted:
> > > >
> > > > As usual, time magazine is far behind the curve. India hit its climax last
> > > > year and is only going down. Backsourcing of jobs to the U.S. and the lack
> > > > of real talent in India are the biggest reasons and it's going to put
> > > > India's economy in a depression. This also means that Dr Shithead Sahib
> > > > will have to get a real job scooping shit instead of posting his spam shit
> > > > here all day.
> > >
> > > > "Dr.Sahib.Pandit.Shri.Shri.Rainam Ji Maharaj Ji Ustad"
> > > > <praina246898 [at] rediffmail.com> wrote in message
> > > > news:1150789721.972649.132010 [at] i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
> > > > >
> > > > > http://www.hindustantimes.com/news/7598_1724081,00050002.htm
> > > > >
> > > > > A "breathtaking shift" in US policy towards India - declaring it a
> > > > > strategic partner and offering it a bilateral deal to share nuclear
> > > > > know how - can be explained, according to Time magazine, simply by one
> > > > > phrase: India is the un-China.
> > > > >
> > > > > Washington's new approach to India is so explained by the American news
> > > > > magazine in its latest issue hitting the news stands on Monday with its
> > > > > cover story "INDIA INC - Why the World's Biggest Democracy is the Next
> > > > > Great Economic Superpower- and What it Means for America."
> >
> > India's infrastructure is plain awful, you can not expect to continue
> > getting foreign investment if the quality of road, power, and
> > telecommunications contrasts so sharply with the next door competitor,
> > sooner or later, India will hit the bottleneck if only because the bad
> > transport system.

Re: India is the un-China, says Time [message #217801 ]

Sa, 24 Juni 2006 13:34

peeks

Nawabs are those who identify, criticise and debate on all that India
lacks and what Indians should feel horrible about and not believe in
what we have and what makes us tick as a unique nation....
mbl* wrote:

> peeks wrote:
>
> > Well, foreign investment is not coming to India upon a due diligence on
> > its infrastructure and maderb day facility...it is coming because its
> > people are growing higher than anywhere else in the world and so is its
> > people's wealth - more rapidly than anywhere else. so its obvious that
> > there will be more takers for products here than anywhere else. Did
> > Unilever not find its way to the remotest Indian village to sell its
> > soaps and shampoo pouches,, are the MBA clad sales people of Unilever
> > not servising these territories because they are ill-equipped in terms
> > of roads, telephonnes and buses....and Unilever has been doing it for
> > 100 years. The americans and the europeans compromise on everything
> > when they smell dollar...not like us, nawabs of india
>
>
> Peeks, Please do tell us about the "Nawabs of India". Are they really
> people of principle?
> > d12s34f56 [at] gmail.com wrote:
> >
> > > Dr. Jai Maharaj wrote:
> > > > If "India is going down", as you claim, it would be
> > > > mainly because of corrupt politicians demanding big
> > > > bribes as they try to play the middleman in outsourcing
> > > > deals. And the "lack of real talent" claim may become
> > > > valid after the mediocre graduates as the result of
> > > > "reservation quotas" (akin to "affirmative action" in the
> > > > US) hit the job market in a few years.
> > > >
> > > > Jai Maharaj
> > > > http://tinyurl.com/a5ljc
> > > > http://www.mantra.com/jai
> > > > Om Shanti
> > > >
> > > > In article <beOlg.101096$H71.27860 [at] newssvr13.news.prodigy.com>,
> > > > "Murphy" <xoxoxo [at] nine.ten> posted:
> > > > >
> > > > > As usual, time magazine is far behind the curve. India hit its climax last
> > > > > year and is only going down. Backsourcing of jobs to the U.S. and the lack
> > > > > of real talent in India are the biggest reasons and it's going to put
> > > > > India's economy in a depression. This also means that Dr Shithead Sahib
> > > > > will have to get a real job scooping shit instead of posting his spam shit
> > > > > here all day.
> > > >
> > > > > "Dr.Sahib.Pandit.Shri.Shri.Rainam Ji Maharaj Ji Ustad"
> > > > > <praina246898 [at] rediffmail.com> wrote in message
> > > > > news:1150789721.972649.132010 [at] i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
> > > > > >
> > > > > > http://www.hindustantimes.com/news/7598_1724081,00050002.htm
> > > > > >
> > > > > > A "breathtaking shift" in US policy towards India - declaring it a
> > > > > > strategic partner and offering it a bilateral deal to share nuclear
> > > > > > know how - can be explained, according to Time magazine, simply by one
> > > > > > phrase: India is the un-China.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Washington's new approach to India is so explained by the American news
> > > > > > magazine in its latest issue hitting the news stands on Monday with its
> > > > > > cover story "INDIA INC - Why the World's Biggest Democracy is the Next
> > > > > > Great Economic Superpower- and What it Means for America."
> > >
> > > India's infrastructure is plain awful, you can not expect to continue
> > > getting foreign investment if the quality of road, power, and
> > > telecommunications contrasts so sharply with the next door competitor,
> > > sooner or later, India will hit the bottleneck if only because the bad
> > > transport system.

Re: India is the un-China, says Time [message #217809 ]

Sa, 24 Juni 2006 14:29

mbplee

peeks wrote:

> Nawabs are those who identify, criticise and debate on all that India
> lacks and what Indians should feel horrible about and not believe in
> what we have and what makes us tick as a unique nation....

I find it a bit confusing. Perhaps you are using a parochial definition
of a Nawab? I am not from the sub-continent! Because this is what I
have googled,

"Muslim rulers almost all used the title "Nawab" (originally the title
of an amovable governor under real Mughal rule, but soon tending to
hereditary succession whenever Delhi/Agra lost effective control over
the province) with the prominent exceptions of the Nizam of Hyderabad &
Berar, the Wali/Khan of Kalat, and the Wali of Swat. Other less usual
titles included Darbar Sahib, Dewan, Jam, Mehtar (unique to Chitral)
and Mir (from Emir).

Nawab (Urdu: =D9=86=D9=88=D8=A7=D8=A8 ) was originally the subadar (provinc=
ial
governor) or viceroy of a subah (province) or region of the Mughal
empire.

The term is Urdu, derived from the Arabic word naib, meaning deputy. In
some areas, especially Bengal, the term is pronounced Nabob. This later
variation has entered the English and other foreign languages, see
below.

Since most of the Muslim rulers of the subcontinent had -like most
otherwise titled Hindu (maha)radjas and other princely states- accepted
the authority of the Mughals at the height of this empire the term
Nawab is often used to refer to any Muslim ruler in the subcontinent.
This is technically imprecise, as it was also awarded to others and not
applied to every Muslim ruler. With the decline of that empire, the
title and the powers that went with it became hereditary in the ruling
families in the various provinces.

Many Nawabs later accepted British rule. Under later British rule,
Muslim Nawabs continued to rule various princely states of Awadh,
Bahawalpur, Baoni, Banganapalle, Bhopal, Cambay, Jaora, Junagadh,
Kalabagh, Kurnool, Kurwai, Palanpur (Pakistan), Pataudi, Rampur,
Sachin, and Tonk. Other former rulers bearing the title, such as the
Nawabs of Bengal, had been dispossessed by the British or others by the
time the Mughal dynasty finally ended in 1857.

The style for a Nawab dynasty's queen(s) (usually his consort, and
Islam is polygamous) is Begum (not specific). Most of the Nawab
dynasties were male primogenitures, although several ruling Begums of
Bhopal were a notable exception.

Before the incorporation of India into the British Empire, Nawabs ruled
the kingdoms of Awadh (or Oudh, encouraged by the British to shed the
Mughal suzereignty and assume the imperial style of Badshah), Bengal,
Arcot and Bhopal.

A few of the Muslim rulers who were tributary to the Mughal emperors
used other titles; the first Nizam of Hyderabad was given the
alternative title Nizam ul Mulk, usually translated as Governor of the
[Mughal] Kingdom."

> mbl* wrote:
>
> > peeks wrote:
> >
> > > Well, foreign investment is not coming to India upon a due diligence =
on
> > > its infrastructure and maderb day facility...it is coming because its
> > > people are growing higher than anywhere else in the world and so is i=
ts
> > > people's wealth - more rapidly than anywhere else. so its obvious that
> > > there will be more takers for products here than anywhere else. Did
> > > Unilever not find its way to the remotest Indian village to sell its
> > > soaps and shampoo pouches,, are the MBA clad sales people of Unilever
> > > not servising these territories because they are ill-equipped in terms
> > > of roads, telephonnes and buses....and Unilever has been doing it for
> > > 100 years. The americans and the europeans compromise on everything
> > > when they smell dollar...not like us, nawabs of india
> >
> >
> > Peeks, Please do tell us about the "Nawabs of India". Are they really
> > people of principle?
> > > d12s34f56 [at] gmail.com wrote:
> > >
> > > > Dr. Jai Maharaj wrote:
> > > > > If "India is going down", as you claim, it would be
> > > > > mainly because of corrupt politicians demanding big
> > > > > bribes as they try to play the middleman in outsourcing
> > > > > deals. And the "lack of real talent" claim may become
> > > > > valid after the mediocre graduates as the result of
> > > > > "reservation quotas" (akin to "affirmative action" in the
> > > > > US) hit the job market in a few years.
> > > > >
> > > > > Jai Maharaj
> > > > > http://tinyurl.com/a5ljc
> > > > > http://www.mantra.com/jai
> > > > > Om Shanti
> > > > >
> > > > > In article <beOlg.101096$H71.27860 [at] newssvr13.news.prodigy.com>,
> > > > > "Murphy" <xoxoxo [at] nine.ten> posted:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > As usual, time magazine is far behind the curve. India hit its=
climax last
> > > > > > year and is only going down. Backsourcing of jobs to the U.S. =
and the lack
> > > > > > of real talent in India are the biggest reasons and it's going =
to put
> > > > > > India's economy in a depression. This also means that Dr Shith=
ead Sahib
> > > > > > will have to get a real job scooping shit instead of posting hi=
s spam shit
> > > > > > here all day.
> > > > >
> > > > > > "Dr.Sahib.Pandit.Shri.Shri.Rainam Ji Maharaj Ji Ustad"
> > > > > > <praina246898 [at] rediffmail.com> wrote in message
> > > > > > news:1150789721.972649.132010 [at] i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > http://www.hindustantimes.com/news/7598_1724081,00050002.htm
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > A "breathtaking shift" in US policy towards India - declaring=
it a
> > > > > > > strategic partner and offering it a bilateral deal to share n=
uclear
> > > > > > > know how - can be explained, according to Time magazine, simp=
ly by one
> > > > > > > phrase: India is the un-China.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Washington's new approach to India is so explained by the Ame=
rican news
> > > > > > > magazine in its latest issue hitting the news stands on Monda=
y with its
> > > > > > > cover story "INDIA INC - Why the World's Biggest Democracy is=
the Next
> > > > > > > Great Economic Superpower- and What it Means for America."
> > > >
> > > > India's infrastructure is plain awful, you can not expect to contin=
ue
> > > > getting foreign investment if the quality of road, power, and
> > > > telecommunications contrasts so sharply with the next door competit=
or,
> > > > sooner or later, India will hit the bottleneck if only because the =
bad
> > > > transport system.

Re: India is the un-China, says Time [message #217828 ]

Sa, 24 Juni 2006 18:39

usenet

The people, not some material infrastructure, are the greatest
resource of a nation.

Jai Maharaj
http://tinyurl.com/a5ljc
http://www.mantra.com/jai
Om Shanti

In article <1151140660.048290.17690 [at] i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>,
"peeks" <smg.pks [at] gmail.com> posted:

> Well, foreign investment is not coming to India upon a due diligence on
> its infrastructure and maderb day facility...it is coming because its
> people are growing higher than anywhere else in the world and so is its
> people's wealth - more rapidly than anywhere else. so its obvious that
> there will be more takers for products here than anywhere else. Did
> Unilever not find its way to the remotest Indian village to sell its
> soaps and shampoo pouches,, are the MBA clad sales people of Unilever
> not servising these territories because they are ill-equipped in terms
> of roads, telephonnes and buses....and Unilever has been doing it for
> 100 years. The americans and the europeans compromise on everything
> when they smell dollar...not like us, nawabs of india

> d12s34f56 [at] gmail.com wrote:
>
> > Dr. Jai Maharaj wrote:
> > > If "India is going down", as you claim, it would be
> > > mainly because of corrupt politicians demanding big
> > > bribes as they try to play the middleman in outsourcing
> > > deals. And the "lack of real talent" claim may become
> > > valid after the mediocre graduates as the result of
> > > "reservation quotas" (akin to "affirmative action" in the
> > > US) hit the job market in a few years.
> > >
> > > Jai Maharaj
> > > http://tinyurl.com/a5ljc
> > > http://www.mantra.com/jai
> > > Om Shanti
> > >
> > > In article <beOlg.101096$H71.27860 [at] newssvr13.news.prodigy.com>,
> > > "Murphy" <xoxoxo [at] nine.ten> posted:
> > > >
> > > > As usual, time magazine is far behind the curve. India hit its climax
> last
> > > > year and is only going down. Backsourcing of jobs to the U.S. and the
> lack
> > > > of real talent in India are the biggest reasons and it's going to put
> > > > India's economy in a depression. This also means that Dr Shithead Sahib
> > > > will have to get a real job scooping shit instead of posting his spam
> shit
> > > > here all day.
> > >
> > > > "Dr.Sahib.Pandit.Shri.Shri.Rainam Ji Maharaj Ji Ustad"
> > > > <praina246898 [at] rediffmail.com> wrote in message
> > > > news:1150789721.972649.132010 [at] i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
> > > > >
> > > > > http://www.hindustantimes.com/news/7598_1724081,00050002.htm
> > > > >
> > > > > A "breathtaking shift" in US policy towards India - declaring it a
> > > > > strategic partner and offering it a bilateral deal to share nuclear
> > > > > know how - can be explained, according to Time magazine, simply by one
> > > > > phrase: India is the un-China.
> > > > >
> > > > > Washington's new approach to India is so explained by the American
> news
> > > > > magazine in its latest issue hitting the news stands on Monday with
> its
> > > > > cover story "INDIA INC - Why the World's Biggest Democracy is the Next
> > > > > Great Economic Superpower- and What it Means for America."
> >
> > India's infrastructure is plain awful, you can not expect to continue
> > getting foreign investment if the quality of road, power, and
> > telecommunications contrasts so sharply with the next door competitor,
> > sooner or later, India will hit the bottleneck if only because the bad
> > transport system.

Re: India is the un-China, says Time [message #217829 ]

Sa, 24 Juni 2006 18:42

mbplee

Dr. Jai Maharaj wrote:

> The people, not some material infrastructure, are the greatest
> resource of a nation.

I agree, but they can also be the biggest burden?
>
> Jai Maharaj
> http://tinyurl.com/a5ljc
> http://www.mantra.com/jai
> Om Shanti
>
> In article <1151140660.048290.17690 [at] i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>,
> "peeks" <smg.pks [at] gmail.com> posted:
>
> > Well, foreign investment is not coming to India upon a due diligence on
> > its infrastructure and maderb day facility...it is coming because its
> > people are growing higher than anywhere else in the world and so is its
> > people's wealth - more rapidly than anywhere else. so its obvious that
> > there will be more takers for products here than anywhere else. Did
> > Unilever not find its way to the remotest Indian village to sell its
> > soaps and shampoo pouches,, are the MBA clad sales people of Unilever
> > not servising these territories because they are ill-equipped in terms
> > of roads, telephonnes and buses....and Unilever has been doing it for
> > 100 years. The americans and the europeans compromise on everything
> > when they smell dollar...not like us, nawabs of india
>
> > d12s34f56 [at] gmail.com wrote:
> >
> > > Dr. Jai Maharaj wrote:
> > > > If "India is going down", as you claim, it would be
> > > > mainly because of corrupt politicians demanding big
> > > > bribes as they try to play the middleman in outsourcing
> > > > deals. And the "lack of real talent" claim may become
> > > > valid after the mediocre graduates as the result of
> > > > "reservation quotas" (akin to "affirmative action" in the
> > > > US) hit the job market in a few years.
> > > >
> > > > Jai Maharaj
> > > > http://tinyurl.com/a5ljc
> > > > http://www.mantra.com/jai
> > > > Om Shanti
> > > >
> > > > In article <beOlg.101096$H71.27860 [at] newssvr13.news.prodigy.com>,
> > > > "Murphy" <xoxoxo [at] nine.ten> posted:
> > > > >
> > > > > As usual, time magazine is far behind the curve. India hit its climax
> > last
> > > > > year and is only going down. Backsourcing of jobs to the U.S. and the
> > lack
> > > > > of real talent in India are the biggest reasons and it's going to put
> > > > > India's economy in a depression. This also means that Dr Shithead Sahib
> > > > > will have to get a real job scooping shit instead of posting his spam
> > shit
> > > > > here all day.
> > > >
> > > > > "Dr.Sahib.Pandit.Shri.Shri.Rainam Ji Maharaj Ji Ustad"
> > > > > <praina246898 [at] rediffmail.com> wrote in message
> > > > > news:1150789721.972649.132010 [at] i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
> > > > > >
> > > > > > http://www.hindustantimes.com/news/7598_1724081,00050002.htm
> > > > > >
> > > > > > A "breathtaking shift" in US policy towards India - declaring it a
> > > > > > strategic partner and offering it a bilateral deal to share nuclear
> > > > > > know how - can be explained, according to Time magazine, simply by one
> > > > > > phrase: India is the un-China.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Washington's new approach to India is so explained by the American
> > news
> > > > > > magazine in its latest issue hitting the news stands on Monday with
> > its
> > > > > > cover story "INDIA INC - Why the World's Biggest Democracy is the Next
> > > > > > Great Economic Superpower- and What it Means for America."
> > >
> > > India's infrastructure is plain awful, you can not expect to continue
> > > getting foreign investment if the quality of road, power, and
> > > telecommunications contrasts so sharply with the next door competitor,
> > > sooner or later, India will hit the bottleneck if only because the bad
> > > transport system.

Re: India is the un-China, says Time [message #217830 ]

Sa, 24 Juni 2006 18:47

usenet

The term "nawaab" is also used to describe a temperamental and conceited
man. Actually that's the definition of a "prima donna" as applied to a
female. So in Hindustani, not pure Hindi, a use is: "kyaa nawaab bun
gaye hoe" ("what a nawaab you have become").

Jai Maharaj
http://tinyurl.com/a5ljc
http://www.mantra.com/jai
Om Shanti

In article <1151152186.281897.287190 [at] i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>,
"mbl*" <mbplee [at] gmail.com> posted:
>
> peeks wrote:
>
> > Nawabs are those who identify, criticise and debate on all that India
> > lacks and what Indians should feel horrible about and not believe in
> > what we have and what makes us tick as a unique nation....
>
> I find it a bit confusing. Perhaps you are using a parochial definition
> of a Nawab? I am not from the sub-continent! Because this is what I
> have googled,
>
> "Muslim rulers almost all used the title "Nawab" (originally the title
> of an amovable governor under real Mughal rule, but soon tending to
> hereditary succession whenever Delhi/Agra lost effective control over
> the province) with the prominent exceptions of the Nizam of Hyderabad &
> Berar, the Wali/Khan of Kalat, and the Wali of Swat. Other less usual
> titles included Darbar Sahib, Dewan, Jam, Mehtar (unique to Chitral)
> and Mir (from Emir).
>
> Nawab (Urdu: =D9=86=D9=88=D8=A7=D8=A8 ) was originally the subadar (provinc=
> ial
> governor) or viceroy of a subah (province) or region of the Mughal
> empire.
>
> The term is Urdu, derived from the Arabic word naib, meaning deputy. In
> some areas, especially Bengal, the term is pronounced Nabob. This later
> variation has entered the English and other foreign languages, see
> below.
>
> Since most of the Muslim rulers of the subcontinent had -like most
> otherwise titled Hindu (maha)radjas and other princely states- accepted
> the authority of the Mughals at the height of this empire the term
> Nawab is often used to refer to any Muslim ruler in the subcontinent.
> This is technically imprecise, as it was also awarded to others and not
> applied to every Muslim ruler. With the decline of that empire, the
> title and the powers that went with it became hereditary in the ruling
> families in the various provinces.
>
> Many Nawabs later accepted British rule. Under later British rule,
> Muslim Nawabs continued to rule various princely states of Awadh,
> Bahawalpur, Baoni, Banganapalle, Bhopal, Cambay, Jaora, Junagadh,
> Kalabagh, Kurnool, Kurwai, Palanpur (Pakistan), Pataudi, Rampur,
> Sachin, and Tonk. Other former rulers bearing the title, such as the
> Nawabs of Bengal, had been dispossessed by the British or others by the
> time the Mughal dynasty finally ended in 1857.
>
> The style for a Nawab dynasty's queen(s) (usually his consort, and
> Islam is polygamous) is Begum (not specific). Most of the Nawab
> dynasties were male primogenitures, although several ruling Begums of
> Bhopal were a notable exception.
>
> Before the incorporation of India into the British Empire, Nawabs ruled
> the kingdoms of Awadh (or Oudh, encouraged by the British to shed the
> Mughal suzereignty and assume the imperial style of Badshah), Bengal,
> Arcot and Bhopal.
>
> A few of the Muslim rulers who were tributary to the Mughal emperors
> used other titles; the first Nizam of Hyderabad was given the
> alternative title Nizam ul Mulk, usually translated as Governor of the
> [Mughal] Kingdom."
>
>
> > mbl* wrote:
> >
> > > peeks wrote:
> > >
> > > > Well, foreign investment is not coming to India upon a due diligence =
> on
> > > > its infrastructure and maderb day facility...it is coming because its
> > > > people are growing higher than anywhere else in the world and so is i=
> ts
> > > > people's wealth - more rapidly than anywhere else. so its obvious that
> > > > there will be more takers for products here than anywhere else. Did
> > > > Unilever not find its way to the remotest Indian village to sell its
> > > > soaps and shampoo pouches,, are the MBA clad sales people of Unilever
> > > > not servising these territories because they are ill-equipped in terms
> > > > of roads, telephonnes and buses....and Unilever has been doing it for
> > > > 100 years. The americans and the europeans compromise on everything
> > > > when they smell dollar...not like us, nawabs of india
> > >
> > >
> > > Peeks, Please do tell us about the "Nawabs of India". Are they really
> > > people of principle?
> > > > d12s34f56 [at] gmail.com wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Dr. Jai Maharaj wrote:
> > > > > > If "India is going down", as you claim, it would be
> > > > > > mainly because of corrupt politicians demanding big
> > > > > > bribes as they try to play the middleman in outsourcing
> > > > > > deals. And the "lack of real talent" claim may become
> > > > > > valid after the mediocre graduates as the result of
> > > > > > "reservation quotas" (akin to "affirmative action" in the
> > > > > > US) hit the job market in a few years.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Jai Maharaj
> > > > > > http://tinyurl.com/a5ljc
> > > > > > http://www.mantra.com/jai
> > > > > > Om Shanti
> > > > > >
> > > > > > In article <beOlg.101096$H71.27860 [at] newssvr13.news.prodigy.com>,
> > > > > > "Murphy" <xoxoxo [at] nine.ten> posted:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > As usual, time magazine is far behind the curve. India hit its=
> climax last
> > > > > > > year and is only going down. Backsourcing of jobs to the U.S. =
> and the lack
> > > > > > > of real talent in India are the biggest reasons and it's going =
> to put
> > > > > > > India's economy in a depression. This also means that Dr Shith=
> ead Sahib
> > > > > > > will have to get a real job scooping shit instead of posting hi=
> s spam shit
> > > > > > > here all day.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > "Dr.Sahib.Pandit.Shri.Shri.Rainam Ji Maharaj Ji Ustad"
> > > > > > > <praina246898 [at] rediffmail.com> wrote in message
> > > > > > > news:1150789721.972649.132010 [at] i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > http://www.hindustantimes.com/news/7598_1724081,00050002.htm
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > A "breathtaking shift" in US policy towards India - declaring=
> it a
> > > > > > > > strategic partner and offering it a bilateral deal to share n=
> uclear
> > > > > > > > know how - can be explained, according to Time magazine, simp=
> ly by one
> > > > > > > > phrase: India is the un-China.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Washington's new approach to India is so explained by the Ame=
> rican news
> > > > > > > > magazine in its latest issue hitting the news stands on Monda=
> y with its
> > > > > > > > cover story "INDIA INC - Why the World's Biggest Democracy is=
> the Next
> > > > > > > > Great Economic Superpower- and What it Means for America."
> > > > >
> > > > > India's infrastructure is plain awful, you can not expect to contin=
> ue
> > > > > getting foreign investment if the quality of road, power, and
> > > > > telecommunications contrasts so sharply with the next door competit=
> or,
> > > > > sooner or later, India will hit the bottleneck if only because the =
> bad
> > > > > transport system.
>

Re: India is the un-China, says Time [message #217831 ]

Sa, 24 Juni 2006 19:00

mbplee

kyaa nawaab bun gaye hoe ("what a nawaab you have become"). I like
that!
Dr. Jai Maharaj wrote:

> The term "nawaab" is also used to describe a temperamental and conceited
> man. Actually that's the definition of a "prima donna" as applied to a
> female. So in Hindustani, not pure Hindi, a use is: "kyaa nawaab bun
> gaye hoe" ("what a nawaab you have become").
>
> Jai Maharaj
> http://tinyurl.com/a5ljc
> http://www.mantra.com/jai
> Om Shanti
>
> In article <1151152186.281897.287190 [at] i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>,
> "mbl*" <mbplee [at] gmail.com> posted:
> >
> > peeks wrote:
> >
> > > Nawabs are those who identify, criticise and debate on all that India
> > > lacks and what Indians should feel horrible about and not believe in
> > > what we have and what makes us tick as a unique nation....
> >
> > I find it a bit confusing. Perhaps you are using a parochial definition
> > of a Nawab? I am not from the sub-continent! Because this is what I
> > have googled,
> >
> > "Muslim rulers almost all used the title "Nawab" (originally the title
> > of an amovable governor under real Mughal rule, but soon tending to
> > hereditary succession whenever Delhi/Agra lost effective control over
> > the province) with the prominent exceptions of the Nizam of Hyderabad &
> > Berar, the Wali/Khan of Kalat, and the Wali of Swat. Other less usual
> > titles included Darbar Sahib, Dewan, Jam, Mehtar (unique to Chitral)
> > and Mir (from Emir).
> >
> > Nawab (Urdu: =D9=86=D9=88=D8=A7=D8=A8 ) was originally the subadar (provinc=
> > ial
> > governor) or viceroy of a subah (province) or region of the Mughal
> > empire.
> >
> > The term is Urdu, derived from the Arabic word naib, meaning deputy. In
> > some areas, especially Bengal, the term is pronounced Nabob. This later
> > variation has entered the English and other foreign languages, see
> > below.
> >
> > Since most of the Muslim rulers of the subcontinent had -like most
> > otherwise titled Hindu (maha)radjas and other princely states- accepted
> > the authority of the Mughals at the height of this empire the term
> > Nawab is often used to refer to any Muslim ruler in the subcontinent.
> > This is technically imprecise, as it was also awarded to others and not
> > applied to every Muslim ruler. With the decline of that empire, the
> > title and the powers that went with it became hereditary in the ruling
> > families in the various provinces.
> >
> > Many Nawabs later accepted British rule. Under later British rule,
> > Muslim Nawabs continued to rule various princely states of Awadh,
> > Bahawalpur, Baoni, Banganapalle, Bhopal, Cambay, Jaora, Junagadh,
> > Kalabagh, Kurnool, Kurwai, Palanpur (Pakistan), Pataudi, Rampur,
> > Sachin, and Tonk. Other former rulers bearing the title, such as the
> > Nawabs of Bengal, had been dispossessed by the British or others by the
> > time the Mughal dynasty finally ended in 1857.
> >
> > The style for a Nawab dynasty's queen(s) (usually his consort, and
> > Islam is polygamous) is Begum (not specific). Most of the Nawab
> > dynasties were male primogenitures, although several ruling Begums of
> > Bhopal were a notable exception.
> >
> > Before the incorporation of India into the British Empire, Nawabs ruled
> > the kingdoms of Awadh (or Oudh, encouraged by the British to shed the
> > Mughal suzereignty and assume the imperial style of Badshah), Bengal,
> > Arcot and Bhopal.
> >
> > A few of the Muslim rulers who were tributary to the Mughal emperors
> > used other titles; the first Nizam of Hyderabad was given the
> > alternative title Nizam ul Mulk, usually translated as Governor of the
> > [Mughal] Kingdom."
> >
> >
> > > mbl* wrote:
> > >
> > > > peeks wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Well, foreign investment is not coming to India upon a due diligence =
> > on
> > > > > its infrastructure and maderb day facility...it is coming because its
> > > > > people are growing higher than anywhere else in the world and so is i=
> > ts
> > > > > people's wealth - more rapidly than anywhere else. so its obvious that
> > > > > there will be more takers for products here than anywhere else. Did
> > > > > Unilever not find its way to the remotest Indian village to sell its
> > > > > soaps and shampoo pouches,, are the MBA clad sales people of Unilever
> > > > > not servising these territories because they are ill-equipped in terms
> > > > > of roads, telephonnes and buses....and Unilever has been doing it for
> > > > > 100 years. The americans and the europeans compromise on everything
> > > > > when they smell dollar...not like us, nawabs of india
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Peeks, Please do tell us about the "Nawabs of India". Are they really
> > > > people of principle?
> > > > > d12s34f56 [at] gmail.com wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Dr. Jai Maharaj wrote:
> > > > > > > If "India is going down", as you claim, it would be
> > > > > > > mainly because of corrupt politicians demanding big
> > > > > > > bribes as they try to play the middleman in outsourcing
> > > > > > > deals. And the "lack of real talent" claim may become
> > > > > > > valid after the mediocre graduates as the result of
> > > > > > > "reservation quotas" (akin to "affirmative action" in the
> > > > > > > US) hit the job market in a few years.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Jai Maharaj
> > > > > > > http://tinyurl.com/a5ljc
> > > > > > > http://www.mantra.com/jai
> > > > > > > Om Shanti
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > In article <beOlg.101096$H71.27860 [at] newssvr13.news.prodigy.com>,
> > > > > > > "Murphy" <xoxoxo [at] nine.ten> posted:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > As usual, time magazine is far behind the curve. India hit its=
> > climax last
> > > > > > > > year and is only going down. Backsourcing of jobs to the U.S. =
> > and the lack
> > > > > > > > of real talent in India are the biggest reasons and it's going =
> > to put
> > > > > > > > India's economy in a depression. This also means that Dr Shith=
> > ead Sahib
> > > > > > > > will have to get a real job scooping shit instead of posting hi=
> > s spam shit
> > > > > > > > here all day.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > "Dr.Sahib.Pandit.Shri.Shri.Rainam Ji Maharaj Ji Ustad"
> > > > > > > > <praina246898 [at] rediffmail.com> wrote in message
> > > > > > > > news:1150789721.972649.132010 [at] i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > http://www.hindustantimes.com/news/7598_1724081,00050002.htm
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > A "breathtaking shift" in US policy towards India - declaring=
> > it a
> > > > > > > > > strategic partner and offering it a bilateral deal to share n=
> > uclear
> > > > > > > > > know how - can be explained, according to Time magazine, simp=
> > ly by one
> > > > > > > > > phrase: India is the un-China.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Washington's new approach to India is so explained by the Ame=
> > rican news
> > > > > > > > > magazine in its latest issue hitting the news stands on Monda=
> > y with its
> > > > > > > > > cover story "INDIA INC - Why the World's Biggest Democracy is=
> > the Next
> > > > > > > > > Great Economic Superpower- and What it Means for America."
> > > > > >
> > > > > > India's infrastructure is plain awful, you can not expect to contin=
> > ue
> > > > > > getting foreign investment if the quality of road, power, and
> > > > > > telecommunications contrasts so sharply with the next door competit=
> > or,
> > > > > > sooner or later, India will hit the bottleneck if only because the =
> > bad
> > > > > > transport system.
> >

Re: India is the un-China, says Time [message #217870 ]

So, 25 Juni 2006 01:26

harmony

<usenet [at] mantra.com and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr. Jai Maharaj)> wrote in
message news:20060623RP2k8jAYYgm3b4U57Ko4w79 [at] BLHVv...
> In article <dbudnWV9l_UAjwHZRVnytQ [at] bt.com>,
> "Maynard Man" <mighty [at] hammers.co.uk> posted:
>>
>> "harmony" <aka [at] hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:SHAmg.273171$5Z.95503 [at] dukeread02...
>> >
>> > "Maynard Man" <mighty [at] hammers.co.uk> wrote in message
>> > news:3fudnS-38NyOVgfZnZ2dnUVZ8qCdnZ2d [at] bt.com...
>> >>
>> >> "harmony" <aka [at] hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> >> news:XFxmg.271175$5Z.220201 [at] dukeread02...
>> >> but to cushion off the
>> >>> anti-free-trade media that have raised the hysteria against
>> >>> outsourcing.
>> >>> a lot of jobs were outsourced to europe in the past,
>> >> #
>> >>
>> >> The fact is, it is cheap labour. You take someone with little or
>> >> limited
>> >> knowledge on a subject and you can pay them peanuts.
>> >> The only reason the call centres are outsourced is to save money.
>> >>
>> >
>> > it's a shame many americans fail to see this in geopolitical and
>> > strategic
>> > terms which has a direct bearing on next 100 yrs.
>> >
>> > usa has a vested interest in seeing the hindus succeed and get them in
>> > the
>> > american orbit. this is a very simple truth, philosophically foremost,
>> > and equally practically.
>> > the american people, therefore, need to be more appreciative of them,
>> > and
>> > should show patience like you would with any one trying to learn the
>> > ropes
>> > in your neighborhood. don't put them down in moments of frustration and
>> > haste. they are fast learners and most importantly, meticulously
>> > civilized
>> > people who are eager join the ranks of the civilized countries of the
>> > world, and who deserve a break after over 10 centuries of oppression.
>> > did
>> > you know that india is about the only country that has a favorable
>> > opinon
>> > of the usa with a rating of 70pct? (ie a number pretty consistent with
>> > the
>> > hindu pct population in india)
>> >
>> > when you look at the whole vast stretch of earth in the noneuropean
>> > lands,
>> > there aren't many worthy democracies that are going anywhere in a
>> > hurry.
>> > the hindus are; so get them on board. they want to be in your team,
>> > the
>> > time is right, they are well on their way up, the cost is little, and
>> > they
>> > are a positive influence in society. it isn't money only, however. usa
>> > is
>> > already engaged with india at nearly all levels of civil society. a few
>> > dislocations within usa as a result is a very small adjustment to make.
>> > usa has paid far far bigger price in the past for such things. this
>> > issue
>> > needs thinking outside the box.
>>
>>
>> I wouldn't know about the USA, I'm in the UK. But the fact remains that
>> the
>> outsourcing to India from the UK is done to save money. Take IT
>> forinstance,
>> the first line support (is it plugged in, switched on etc) which can be
>> done
>> with no training from cue cards is outsourced, which is also far cheaper
>> than UK labour. But second line onwards where it gets a bit technical and
>> needs good communication then it is done from the UK. I deal with
>> companies
>> that have outsourced to India and they all say the same thing. It is much
>> much cheaper labour in India than the UK.
>
> I have top-level support (for both hardware and software) provide a
> service from Bharat, not the US (where I am located) or UK.
>
> Jai Maharaj
> http://tinyurl.com/a5ljc
> http://www.mantra.com/jai
> Om Shanti

here is a report by the an anxious uk govt agency that should help maynard
dispel his illusion.
the g7 nations need to get the hindus at the table fast to get that critical
extra support in favor of stability for next 100 yrs.

The Indian economy is roaring ahead

UK losing race to invest in India

The UK is wasting its "unique relationship" with India and falling behind
other nations in the race to invest in the country, says a report.
The report from MPs in the Trade and Industry Committee said UK firms have a
limited understanding of the growing Indian economy.

Many see India as a source of cheap labour rather than an emerging market.

The MPs said the higher education, manufacturing and automotive industries
offered great investment opportunities.

'Opportunities'

The Indian government still has some limits on foreign investment in areas
like the financial and retail sectors.

But it is loosening these controls gradually as it comes under pressure to
open up its markets.

It also needs foreign investment and expertise to help improve and modernise
the roads, ports and airports needed to keep its economy growing quickly.

"Levels of interest in the Indian economy are growing year upon year - but
UK investors don't yet really understand the opportunities that India
presents," said committee chairman Peter Luff.

Government support

MPs said they were worried that the UK's perception of India had been
distorted by media focus on the perceived threat to UK jobs from outsourcing
of services like call centres.

This has created a view that such call centres are a dominant feature of the
Indian economy.

However, the British Chambers of Commerce(BCC) claims British exporters are
well aware of the opportunities in India, but are not getting much help from
the government.

"They have seen export support reduced in recent years as the Treasury
switched its focus to encouraging inward investment," said the BCC director
general David Frost.

The Indian economy grew at a rate of 8.4% in the year to March 2006.

Despite this growth, foreign investment in the country has been slow to
take-off.

According to investment bank Merrill Lynch, there was $8bn worth of foreign
investment in India during 2005, well behind the $60bn pumped into China.

During 2004/2005, the UK was India's fourth largest trade partner in goods,
behind the US, China and Belgium.

Re: India is the un-China, says Time [message #217905 ]

So, 25 Juni 2006 11:41

Maynard Man

Must be rubbish support from my experience of using outsourced support.

<usenet [at] mantra.com and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr. Jai Maharaj)> wrote in
message news:20060623RP2k8jAYYgm3b4U57Ko4w79 [at] BLHVv...
> In article <dbudnWV9l_UAjwHZRVnytQ [at] bt.com>,
> "Maynard Man" <mighty [at] hammers.co.uk> posted:
>>
>> "harmony" <aka [at] hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:SHAmg.273171$5Z.95503 [at] dukeread02...
>> >
>> > "Maynard Man" <mighty [at] hammers.co.uk> wrote in message
>> > news:3fudnS-38NyOVgfZnZ2dnUVZ8qCdnZ2d [at] bt.com...
>> >>
>> >> "harmony" <aka [at] hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> >> news:XFxmg.271175$5Z.220201 [at] dukeread02...
>> >> but to cushion off the
>> >>> anti-free-trade media that have raised the hysteria against
>> >>> outsourcing.
>> >>> a lot of jobs were outsourced to europe in the past,
>> >> #
>> >>
>> >> The fact is, it is cheap labour. You take someone with little or
>> >> limited
>> >> knowledge on a subject and you can pay them peanuts.
>> >> The only reason the call centres are outsourced is to save money.
>> >>
>> >
>> > it's a shame many americans fail to see this in geopolitical and
>> > strategic
>> > terms which has a direct bearing on next 100 yrs.
>> >
>> > usa has a vested interest in seeing the hindus succeed and get them in
>> > the
>> > american orbit. this is a very simple truth, philosophically foremost,
>> > and equally practically.
>> > the american people, therefore, need to be more appreciative of them,
>> > and
>> > should show patience like you would with any one trying to learn the
>> > ropes
>> > in your neighborhood. don't put them down in moments of frustration and
>> > haste. they are fast learners and most importantly, meticulously
>> > civilized
>> > people who are eager join the ranks of the civilized countries of the
>> > world, and who deserve a break after over 10 centuries of oppression.
>> > did
>> > you know that india is about the only country that has a favorable
>> > opinon
>> > of the usa with a rating of 70pct? (ie a number pretty consistent with
>> > the
>> > hindu pct population in india)
>> >
>> > when you look at the whole vast stretch of earth in the noneuropean
>> > lands,
>> > there aren't many worthy democracies that are going anywhere in a
>> > hurry.
>> > the hindus are; so get them on board. they want to be in your team,
>> > the
>> > time is right, they are well on their way up, the cost is little, and
>> > they
>> > are a positive influence in society. it isn't money only, however. usa
>> > is
>> > already engaged with india at nearly all levels of civil society. a few
>> > dislocations within usa as a result is a very small adjustment to make.
>> > usa has paid far far bigger price in the past for such things. this
>> > issue
>> > needs thinking outside the box.
>>
>>
>> I wouldn't know about the USA, I'm in the UK. But the fact remains that
>> the
>> outsourcing to India from the UK is done to save money. Take IT
>> forinstance,
>> the first line support (is it plugged in, switched on etc) which can be
>> done
>> with no training from cue cards is outsourced, which is also far cheaper
>> than UK labour. But second line onwards where it gets a bit technical and
>> needs good communication then it is done from the UK. I deal with
>> companies
>> that have outsourced to India and they all say the same thing. It is much
>> much cheaper labour in India than the UK.
>
> I have top-level support (for both hardware and software) provide a
> service from Bharat, not the US (where I am located) or UK.
>
> Jai Maharaj
> http://tinyurl.com/a5ljc
> http://www.mantra.com/jai
> Om Shanti

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