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| Microsoft To Withdraw Support for Windows 98 [message #223468] |
Di, 11 Juli 2006 09:46 |
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I think with all the profit MS has made, this withdrawal of support is
criminal and irresponsible! What do you think?
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| Re: Microsoft To Withdraw Support for Windows 98 [message #223473 ] |
Di, 11 Juli 2006 09:54 |
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> I think with all the profit MS has made, this withdrawal of support is
> criminal and irresponsible! What do you think?
I think instead of Billy donating all that money to charity...Why not a
free version of windows.
>
Note: If you really want to help the poor fight for property rights.
Keep the government from stealing what isn't theirs.
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| Re: Microsoft To Withdraw Support for Windows 98 [message #223510 ] |
Di, 11 Juli 2006 13:31 |
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"*elle*" <mbplee [at] gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1152603968.999020.148960 [at] s13g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>I think with all the profit MS has made, this withdrawal of support is
> criminal and irresponsible! What do you think?
Not at all!
You don't see parts being sold for the old Edsel or a Trabant 500 or Nokia
supporting their 1011 mobile telephones if you get the picture so why should
Microsoft continually supply support for an operating system that is so far
out of date.
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| Re: Microsoft To Withdraw Support for Windows 98 [message #223529 ] |
Di, 11 Juli 2006 15:51 |
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> "*elle*" <mbplee [at] gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1152603968.999020.148960 [at] s13g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> >I think with all the profit MS has made, this withdrawal of support is
> > criminal and irresponsible! What do you think?
>
> Not at all!
>
> You don't see parts being sold for the old Edsel or a Trabant 500 or Nokia
> supporting their 1011 mobile telephones
But you do see them providing fixes for obvious defects. They don't
want to be sued.
>
> if you get the picture so why should Microsoft continually supply support
> for an operating system that is so far out of date.
Because they don't want to have lawsuits coming from people who had
their data destroyed because of well known security flaws/bugs. Then
again, knowing Microsoft they most likely would just pay them off.
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| Re: Microsoft To Withdraw Support for Windows 98 [message #223558 ] |
Di, 11 Juli 2006 17:19 |
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On 11 Jul 2006 06:51:33 -0700, "Anonymous Infidel - The Koran burner"
<messiah2999 [at] yahoo.com> wrote:
>Because they don't want to have lawsuits coming from people who had
>their data destroyed because of well known security flaws/bugs. Then
>again, knowing Microsoft they most likely would just pay them off.
On a fundamental issue, have you or anyone you know, ever called MS up
for product support? No.
If you are an ordinary home PC user and still use Windows 98 you must
be a very honest person and will not use the lastest MS OS product you
had not paid for. Do tell us what bugs in Windows 98 you have
encountered that MS must continue to support. None I bet. Furthermore
I doubt you can run Win 98 seamlessly on the latest computers, aka a
hardware compatibility problem.
If you are a business user an OS update is an ordinary business
expense. You get a substantial discount for trading in your old OS
for the latest one. Its a lot cheaper and much less aggravation than
having to call up MS support for a crappy outdated OS version.
Don't be a hypocrite in disguise as a consumer advocate.
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| Re: Microsoft To Withdraw Support for Windows 98 [message #223614 ] |
Di, 11 Juli 2006 19:38 |
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> >Because they don't want to have lawsuits coming from people who had
> >their data destroyed because of well known security flaws/bugs. Then
> >again, knowing Microsoft they most likely would just pay them off.
>
>
> On a fundamental issue, have you or anyone you know, ever called MS up
> for product support? No.
Secondary External drive for backups. Solves all problems. ;)
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> If you are an ordinary home PC user and still use Windows 98 you must
> be a very honest person and will not use the lastest MS OS product you
> had not paid for.
Does this have a point? Note: I read ahead and it doesn't. Just
meaningless babble.
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> Do tell us what bugs in Windows 98 you have encountered that MS must
> continue to support. None I bet.
So you are argueing there are no bugs...
>
> Furthermore
> I doubt you can run Win 98 seamlessly on the latest computers, aka a
> hardware compatibility problem.
....And then you say it is to buggy to run on newer systems???
>
> If you are a business user an OS update is an ordinary business
> expense. You get a substantial discount for trading in your old OS
> for the latest one. Its a lot cheaper and much less aggravation than
> having to call up MS support for a crappy outdated OS version.
Ok...So I should open a bussiness to get cheap upgrades?
>
> Don't be a hypocrite in disguise as a consumer advocate.
???? How am I a hypocrite?
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| Re: Microsoft To Withdraw Support for Windows 98 [message #223708 ] |
Mi, 12 Juli 2006 08:32 |
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"Anonymous Infidel - The Koran burner" <messiah2999 [at] yahoo.com> wrote in
message news:1152625893.627592.128850 [at] 35g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
>> "*elle*" <mbplee [at] gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:1152603968.999020.148960 [at] s13g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>> >I think with all the profit MS has made, this withdrawal of support is
>> > criminal and irresponsible! What do you think?
>>
>> Not at all!
>>
>> You don't see parts being sold for the old Edsel or a Trabant 500 or
>> Nokia
>> supporting their 1011 mobile telephones
> But you do see them providing fixes for obvious defects. They don't
> want to be sued.
>>
>> if you get the picture so why should Microsoft continually supply
>> support
>> for an operating system that is so far out of date.
> Because they don't want to have lawsuits coming from people who had
> their data destroyed because of well known security flaws/bugs. Then
> again, knowing Microsoft they most likely would just pay them off.
I'd Doubt that.
You cannot sue MS for liability about the security of their operating
system. Check the terms and conditions when you load on an operating system
without automatically pressing the F8 key.
MS is obliged to provide relevant patches whenever a security problem is
shown and they have done that however to constantly support an obsolete
operating system as I have said before is like keeping spare parts for an
Edsel or a Trabant.
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| Re: Microsoft To Withdraw Support for Windows 98 [message #223731 ] |
Mi, 12 Juli 2006 10:48 |
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> >> >I think with all the profit MS has made, this withdrawal of support is
> >> > criminal and irresponsible! What do you think?
> >>
> >> Not at all!
> >>
> >> You don't see parts being sold for the old Edsel or a Trabant 500 or
> >> Nokia
> >> supporting their 1011 mobile telephones
> > But you do see them providing fixes for obvious defects. They don't
> > want to be sued.
> >>
> >> if you get the picture so why should Microsoft continually supply
> >> support
> >> for an operating system that is so far out of date.
> > Because they don't want to have lawsuits coming from people who had
> > their data destroyed because of well known security flaws/bugs. Then
> > again, knowing Microsoft they most likely would just pay them off.
>
> I'd Doubt that.
How many lawsuits do they currently have going against them?
>
> You cannot sue MS for liability about the security of their operating
> system. Check the terms and conditions when you load on an operating system
> without automatically pressing the F8 key.
You can't sue them because they say so?
>
> MS is obliged to provide relevant patches whenever a security problem is
> shown and they have done that however to constantly support an obsolete
> operating system as I have said before is like keeping spare parts for an
> Edsel or a Trabant.
I agree, but Windows has always been a platform for Microsoft to sell
their other products, so why not keep that Edsel running?
Or better yet, why not give a free version? Call it Windows Express
Edition.
A) Programmers would be able to count on a base to program
for...Better/faster applications.
B) It would kill the anti-Microsoft crowd.
C) Crush Linux.
D) Like I said above: It would increase the base for Microsoft products.
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| Re: Microsoft To Withdraw Support for Windows 98 [message #223763 ] |
Mi, 12 Juli 2006 14:05 |
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On 11 Jul 2006 00:54:39 -0700, "Anonymous Infidel - The Koran stomper"
<messiah2999 [at] yahoo.com> wrote:
>> I think with all the profit MS has made, this withdrawal of support is
>> criminal and irresponsible! What do you think?
>I think instead of Billy donating all that money to charity...Why not a
>free version of windows.
>>
>Note: If you really want to help the poor fight for property rights.
>Keep the government from stealing what isn't theirs.
Trust me, undercoke head Bush the tax remains small. What the son of a
bitch does for cash is simply to raise the debt.
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| Re: Microsoft To Withdraw Support for Windows 98 [message #223768 ] |
Mi, 12 Juli 2006 16:04 |
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Nusrat wrote:
> On 11 Jul 2006 00:54:39 -0700, "Anonymous Infidel - The Koran stomper"
> <messiah2999 [at] yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >> I think with all the profit MS has made, this withdrawal of support is
> >> criminal and irresponsible! What do you think?
> >I think instead of Billy donating all that money to charity...Why not a
> >free version of windows.
> >>
> >Note: If you really want to help the poor fight for property rights.
> >Keep the government from stealing what isn't theirs.
>
> Trust me, undercoke head Bush
I can see you don't believe in redemption...
>
> the tax remains small. What the son of a
> bitch does for cash is simply to raise the debt.
Let me clarify...I wasn't talking about taxes. I was talking about how
worldwide(even America thanks to liberal Supreme Court) governments can
just come in and steal your land.
>
> the tax remains small. What the son of a
> bitch does for cash is simply to raise the debt.
You seem to imply that it is the job of the government to distribute
wealth...
>
America's population: 295,734,134
America's GDP: 4.4%
America's Unemployment rate: 5.1%
America's debt $8.837 trillion
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EU's population: 456,953,258
EU's GDP: 2.4%
EU's Unemployment rate: 9.5%
EU's Debt is almost double Americas.
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| Re: Microsoft To Withdraw Support for Windows 98 [message #223772 ] |
Mi, 12 Juli 2006 16:57 |
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On Wednesday 12 Jul 2006 15:04, Anonymous Infidel - The Koran burner wrote:
>
> Nusrat wrote:
>> On 11 Jul 2006 00:54:39 -0700, "Anonymous Infidel - The Koran stomper"
>> <messiah2999 [at] yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> >> I think with all the profit MS has made, this withdrawal of support
>> >> is criminal and irresponsible! What do you think?
>> >I think instead of Billy donating all that money to charity...Why not a
>> >free version of windows.
>> >>
>> >Note: If you really want to help the poor fight for property rights.
>> >Keep the government from stealing what isn't theirs.
>>
>> Trust me, undercoke head Bush
> I can see you don't believe in redemption...
>>
>> the tax remains small. What the son of a
>> bitch does for cash is simply to raise the debt.
> Let me clarify...I wasn't talking about taxes. I was talking about how
> worldwide(even America thanks to liberal Supreme Court) governments can
> just come in and steal your land.
>>
>> the tax remains small. What the son of a
>> bitch does for cash is simply to raise the debt.
> You seem to imply that it is the job of the government to distribute
> wealth...
>>
> America's population: 295,734,134
> America's GDP: 4.4%
> America's Unemployment rate: 5.1%
> America's debt $8.837 trillion
> ------------------------------
> EU's population: 456,953,258
> EU's GDP: 2.4%
> EU's Unemployment rate: 9.5%
> EU's Debt is almost double Americas.
FYI (just to set the record straight):
"U.S. Unemployment Rate -- Tops E.U."
"The percentage of employed adults in the United States ... fell to 61
percent in September 2003, the lowest in 10 years. However, the 4
percentage drop of employed adults translate to a total unemployment rate
of 8 percent"
http://www.thinkandask.com/news/jobs.html
GDP: "The European Union has the world's largest economy, probably slightly
larger than that of the United States of America with a 2005 GDP of
12,865,602 million vs. 11,734,300 million (USD figures) (using nominal US
Dollar GDP) according to the International Monetary Fund."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_the_European_Union
Luxembourg, Belgium, France, Germany & Italy outperform all but 3 US states
http://opinionjournal.com/editorial/62004chart.gif
"Comparing the economic performance of the European Union and the USA does
not lead one to conclude that America has the more dynamic economy, or that
it has performed better in the past or will do so in future. The most
crucial feature of the comparison? is neither the growth nor the
unemployment record of the US and the EU. It is, rather, that US growth,
unlike that in the EU, is funded by a dangerously high mountain of foreign
debt. US external indebtedness in turn is driven by the US house price
bubble, enabling US consumers to spend more than they earn. Ironically, it
is the EU which, together with China and Japan, continues to lend the money
to the US which keeps their households spending and their economy growing."
http://www.federalunion.org.uk/europe/060610EuropevsAmerica. shtml
Debt: at 64.70% of GDP, the US has a higher public debt than all but 6
European nations.
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| Re: Microsoft To Withdraw Support for Windows 98 [message #223788 ] |
Mi, 12 Juli 2006 18:37 |
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> > America's population: 295,734,134
> > America's GDP: 4.4%
> > America's Unemployment rate: 5.1%
> > America's debt $8.837 trillion
> > ------------------------------
> > EU's population: 456,953,258
> > EU's GDP: 2.4%
> > EU's Unemployment rate: 9.5%
> > EU's Debt is almost double Americas.
> FYI (just to set the record straight):
> "U.S. Unemployment Rate -- Tops E.U."
> "The percentage of employed adults in the United States ... fell to 61
> percent in September 2003, the lowest in 10 years. However, the 4
> percentage drop of employed adults translate to a total unemployment rate
> of 8 percent"
<From this site>
The "official" unemployment rate in the United States is 5.5 percent
(July 2004), a contradiction to the actual number of unemployed men and
women in the United States, which stands at 16,265,736. The United
States government only keeps you "unemployed" for six months, whether
or not you find a job.
<end>
If they drop out and are no longer counted then how did this site come
up with the 16,265,736? If you base your opinion on a guess what is it
worth?
>
Hmmm, 6 months...As compared to Europe which is a welfare state, how is
that going to work with a declining population?
>
> GDP: "The European Union has the world's largest economy, probably slightly
> larger than that of the United States of America with a 2005 GDP of
> 12,865,602 million vs. 11,734,300 million (USD figures) (using nominal US
> Dollar GDP) according to the International Monetary Fund."
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_the_European_Union
But you forget that "the EU has 50% more people than the US".
<Quote your Wikipedia link>
The European Union has the world's largest economy, probably slightly
larger than that of the United States of America.
<End quote>
So with that said you can see that the EU has higher unemployment.
>
> Luxembourg, Belgium, France, Germany & Italy outperform all but 3 US states
> http://opinionjournal.com/editorial/62004chart.gif
2001?
<Quote from your Wikipedia link>
Member State % GDP Growth
2004 2005 (est.)
Austria 2.4 1.9
Belgium 2.7 1.2
Denmark 2.4 2.2
Finland 2.8 1.8
France 2.0 1.5
Germany 1.6 1.8
Greece 4.2 3.2
Ireland 5.5 5.0
Italy 1.2 0.0
Luxembourg 4.4 3.1
Netherlands 1.7 0.7
Portugal 1.0 0.5
Spain 3.1 3.2
Sweden 3.6 2.6
United Kingdom 3.2 1.9
<New EU Member states>
Cyprus 3.9 3.7
Czech Republic 4.4 6.0
Estonia 7.8 9.8
Hungary 4.2 4.1
Latvia 8.5 10.2
Lithuania 6.7 7.5
Malta 1.0 1.0
Poland 5.4 3.2
Slovakia 5.5 6.0
Slovenia 4.6 3.9
>
Current forecasts see the Union's economy achieving growth of 2.3%
during 2006.
<End quote>
> "Comparing the economic performance of the European Union and the USA does
<snip biased opinion piece and quote from your Wikipedia link>
As the EU has 50% more people than the US, but produces about the same
economically, the average EU citizen enjoys a per capita share of
domestic product of about USD $28,100, while in the US the per person
GDP is over USD $40,000.
<End quote>
The average US citazen is almost twice as rich as his EU counterpart.
>
> Debt: at 64.70% of GDP, the US has a higher public debt than all but 6
> European nations.
<Debt>
Austria $510.6 billion (30 June 2005 est.)
Belgium $980.1 billion (30 June 2005 est.)
Denmark $352.9 billion (30 June 2005)
Finland $211.7 billion (30 June 2005)
France $2.826 trillion (30 June 2005)
Germany $3.626 trillion (30 June 2005)
Greece $75.1 billion (2005 est.)
Ireland $1.049 trillion (30 June 2005)
Italy $1.682 trillion (30 June 2005 est.)
Luxembourg $NA
Netherlands $1.645 trillion (30 June 2005)
Portugal $298.7 billion (30 June 2005 est.)
Spain $1.249 trillion (30 June 2005 est.)
Sweden $516.1 billion (30 June 2005)
United Kingdom $7.107 trillion (30 June 2005)
<New EU Member states>
Cyprus $7.803 billion(2005 est.)
Czech Republic $43.2 billion (30 June 2005 est.)
Estonia $10.09 billion (30 June 2005 est.)
Hungary $76.23 billion (30 June 2005 est.)
Latvia $13.2 billion (30 June 2005 est.)
Lithuania $10.47 billion (31 December 2004 est.)
Malta $188.8 million (2005)
Poland $123.4 billion (30 June 2005 est.)
Slovakia $26.54 billion (2005 est.)
Slovenia $22.91 billion (30 September 2005 est.)
Tell me something...Is this less then the US?
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| Re: Microsoft To Withdraw Support for Windows 98 [message #224129 ] |
Do, 13 Juli 2006 02:52 |
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*elle* wrote:
> I think with all the profit MS has made, this withdrawal of support is
> criminal and irresponsible! What do you think?
While I don't use it that often
my windows 98 system is pretty stable.
IMHO the most important part of MS support
is the on line Windows 98 knowledge base.
Microsoft does not keep data on its legacy
software forever, so If you want to run
your version of Windows for longer than Microsoft's
planning you to then you need to download
every single file for that version you might possible
need and every single technical bulliten and
document you might possibly need and
then burn it all to a DVD for future reference.
Windows 98 is still useful when one has
to run legacy hardware and software
which could not to migrate over to Windows XP.
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| Re: Microsoft To Withdraw Support for Windows 98 [message #224130 ] |
Do, 13 Juli 2006 03:06 |
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"Anonymous Infidel - The MoHamMad Debunker" <messiah2999 [at] yahoo.com> wrote in
message news:1152694134.764724.276110 [at] h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
>> >> >I think with all the profit MS has made, this withdrawal of support
>> >> >is
>> >> > criminal and irresponsible! What do you think?
>> >>
>> >> Not at all!
>> >>
>> >> You don't see parts being sold for the old Edsel or a Trabant 500 or
>> >> Nokia
>> >> supporting their 1011 mobile telephones
>> > But you do see them providing fixes for obvious defects. They don't
>> > want to be sued.
>> >>
>> >> if you get the picture so why should Microsoft continually supply
>> >> support
>> >> for an operating system that is so far out of date.
>> > Because they don't want to have lawsuits coming from people who had
>> > their data destroyed because of well known security flaws/bugs. Then
>> > again, knowing Microsoft they most likely would just pay them off.
>>
>> I'd Doubt that.
> How many lawsuits do they currently have going against them?
>>
>> You cannot sue MS for liability about the security of their operating
>> system. Check the terms and conditions when you load on an operating
>> system
>> without automatically pressing the F8 key.
> You can't sue them because they say so?
>>
>> MS is obliged to provide relevant patches whenever a security problem is
>> shown and they have done that however to constantly support an obsolete
>> operating system as I have said before is like keeping spare parts for an
>> Edsel or a Trabant.
> I agree, but Windows has always been a platform for Microsoft to sell
> their other products, so why not keep that Edsel running?
If you want to keep that Edsel running, the choice os yours however don't
expect the company
> Or better yet, why not give a free version? Call it Windows Express
> Edition.
Bill Gates has given billions in various charities around the world.
Microsoft also offers millions of their products to genuine charities around
the world. That I know first hand as one of my client is a Drug and Alcohol
Rehab and often have to contact Microsoft directly about the software
donation to them.
Microsoft is not a charity but is a business so why should Microsoft spend
billions in research and development in programming and then give it freely.
> A) Programmers would be able to count on a base to program
> for...Better/faster applications.
That what Linux does - stop complaining and go to them and the choice is
yours.
> B) It would kill the anti-Microsoft crowd.
What - a bunch of anachists that wants the world to owe them a living while
the can laze around providing nothing back to the community.
> C) Crush Linux.
Linux has a right to be in the market.
> D) Like I said above: It would increase the base for Microsoft products.
Maybe or maybe not.
You seem to forget that Win 98 is old and you need to upgrade in order keep
up.
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| Re: Microsoft To Withdraw Support for Windows 98 [message #224135 ] |
Do, 13 Juli 2006 03:26 |
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"Anonymous Infidel - The MoHamMad Debunker" <messiah2999 [at] yahoo.com> wrote in
message news:1152694134.764724.276110 [at] h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
>> >> >I think with all the profit MS has made, this withdrawal of support
>> >> >is
>> >> > criminal and irresponsible! What do you think?
>> >>
>> >> Not at all!
>> >>
>> >> You don't see parts being sold for the old Edsel or a Trabant 500 or
>> >> Nokia
>> >> supporting their 1011 mobile telephones
>> > But you do see them providing fixes for obvious defects. They don't
>> > want to be sued.
>> >>
>> >> if you get the picture so why should Microsoft continually supply
>> >> support
>> >> for an operating system that is so far out of date.
>> > Because they don't want to have lawsuits coming from people who had
>> > their data destroyed because of well known security flaws/bugs. Then
>> > again, knowing Microsoft they most likely would just pay them off.
>>
>> I'd Doubt that.
> How many lawsuits do they currently have going against them?
The lawsuits that they are against them are for anti-competition. That has
nothing to do with the support of their operating system nor for security
problems with the operating system in question.
>>
>> You cannot sue MS for liability about the security of their operating
>> system. Check the terms and conditions when you load on an operating
>> system
>> without automatically pressing the F8 key.
> You can't sue them because they say so?
You can't sue them because you made an agreement with them when purchasing
the software. They agreed that they will support you to a certain extent
with various upgrades along the way however they will not support you if you
the operating system received a virus and you weren't protected.
Similar is when you purchase a Ferrari, they will advise you that part of
the warranty is that you use a Ferrari certified mechanic than the average
mechanic when taken for maintenance. You understood the agreement and
accepted at the time of purchase (or for Microsoft - installation)
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| Re: Microsoft To Withdraw Support for Windows 98 [message #224771 ] |
Do, 13 Juli 2006 10:55 |
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LDL wrote:
> "Anonymous Infidel - The MoHamMad Debunker" <messiah2999 [at] yahoo.com> wrote in
> message news:1152694134.764724.276110 [at] h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
> >> >> >I think with all the profit MS has made, this withdrawal of support
> >> >> >is
> >> >> > criminal and irresponsible! What do you think?
> >> >>
> >> >> Not at all!
> >> >>
> >> >> You don't see parts being sold for the old Edsel or a Trabant 500 or
> >> >> Nokia
> >> >> supporting their 1011 mobile telephones
> >> > But you do see them providing fixes for obvious defects. They don't
> >> > want to be sued.
> >> >>
> >> >> if you get the picture so why should Microsoft continually supply
> >> >> support
> >> >> for an operating system that is so far out of date.
> >> > Because they don't want to have lawsuits coming from people who had
> >> > their data destroyed because of well known security flaws/bugs. Then
> >> > again, knowing Microsoft they most likely would just pay them off.
> >>
> >> I'd Doubt that.
> > How many lawsuits do they currently have going against them?
> >>
> >> You cannot sue MS for liability about the security of their operating
> >> system. Check the terms and conditions when you load on an operating
> >> system
> >> without automatically pressing the F8 key.
> > You can't sue them because they say so?
> >>
> >> MS is obliged to provide relevant patches whenever a security problem is
> >> shown and they have done that however to constantly support an obsolete
> >> operating system as I have said before is like keeping spare parts for an
> >> Edsel or a Trabant.
> > I agree, but Windows has always been a platform for Microsoft to sell
> > their other products, so why not keep that Edsel running?
>
> If you want to keep that Edsel running, the choice os yours however don't
> expect the company...
....To continue supporting it? Obviously.
>
> > Or better yet, why not give a free version? Call it Windows Express
> > Edition.
>
> Bill Gates has given billions in various charities around the world.
True, but has nothing to do with what I have said.
>
> Microsoft also offers millions of their products to genuine charities around
> the world. That I know first hand as one of my client is a Drug and Alcohol
> Rehab and often have to contact Microsoft directly about the software
> donation to them.
Read above.
>
> Microsoft is not a charity but is a business so why should Microsoft spend
> billions in research and development in programming and then give it freely.
For the same reason they give away free versions of their of their dev
tools(Express Editions). For the same reason they give away the
X-box(Like Sony's Playstation it is sold at a loss to company).
>
To build a bigger base.
>
> > A) Programmers would be able to count on a base to program
> > for...Better/faster applications.
>
> That what Linux does - stop complaining and go to them and the choice is
> yours.
I use it too(Mandravia). BTW, I am not complaining...I don't currently
even run Win98.
>
Note: I run Win ME and Mandravi for gaming, XP for work.
>
> > B) It would kill the anti-Microsoft crowd.
> What - a bunch of anachists that wants the world to owe them a living while
> the can laze around providing nothing back to the community.
I dunno, I can't say what their(anti-Microsoft crowd) motivations are.
I imagine it varies.
>
> > C) Crush Linux.
> Linux has a right to be in the market.
True, but if it had to compete with a free version of windows it would
force it to up it's game...Which in turn would force Microsoft to up
its games.
>
> > D) Like I said above: It would increase the base for Microsoft products.
> Maybe or maybe not.
No maybe about it, it would.
>
> You seem to forget that Win 98 is old and you need to upgrade in order keep
> up.
Who says the free version has to be 98? I was thinking of a slimmed
down version of one of their newer Oses, something like the Academic
products. Make people pay for the professional stuff.
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| Re: Microsoft To Withdraw Support for Windows 98 [message #224785 ] |
Do, 13 Juli 2006 11:48 |
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> The lawsuits that they are against them are for anti-competition.
The EU is not the only one that has sued microsoft.
>
> You can't sue them because you made an agreement with them when purchasing
> the software. They agreed that they will support you to a certain extent
> with various upgrades along the way however they will not support you if you
> the operating system received a virus and you weren't protected.
Really? Because I seem to remember a lot of people suing over that
whole Blaster worm incident.
>
Note: You can sue anybody for anything at anytime.
>
> Similar is when you purchase a Ferrari, they will advise you that part of
> the warranty is that you use a Ferrari certified mechanic than the average
> mechanic when taken for maintenance. You understood the agreement and
> accepted at the time of purchase (or for Microsoft - installation)
Ok, answer me this, if I purchase a Ferrari and every 550 miles it
dumps all it's fuel and oil due to a defect(Unknown at time of
purchase)...Can I sue them?
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| Re: Microsoft To Withdraw Support for Windows 98 [message #224787 ] |
Do, 13 Juli 2006 12:05 |
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Legacy software, UGH!!! Reminds me of an incident where I was
installing a wireless modem driver for 98. Sometimes the program that
came with the drivers would freeze and cause the computer to
reboot...And on reboot it would reload the drivers which were already
in memory. Instant unrecoverable blue screen. Only way to fix it was
Reboot(no backup drive at time). It was total nightmare.
I Ended up installing the program to get modem to work and then
uninstalling it manually, leaving drivers. Seems you don't need the
program that comes with any wireless modem(95,98,ME). All it does is
put the stupid Modem Icon in the taskbar notification area.
Note: Microsoft technical bulletin informed me this was a known problem
for Win98 and Me. Fix: Buy newer version of windows.
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| Re: Microsoft To Withdraw Support for Windows 98 [message #225248 ] |
Sa, 15 Juli 2006 01:25 |
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"Anonymous Infidel - The MoHamMad Debunker" <messiah2999 [at] yahoo.com> wrote in
message news:1152784089.151521.295700 [at] p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com...
>> The lawsuits that they are against them are for anti-competition.
> The EU is not the only one that has sued microsoft.
>>
>> You can't sue them because you made an agreement with them when
>> purchasing
>> the software. They agreed that they will support you to a certain extent
>> with various upgrades along the way however they will not support you if
>> you
>> the operating system received a virus and you weren't protected.
> Really? Because I seem to remember a lot of people suing over that
> whole Blaster worm incident.
>>
> Note: You can sue anybody for anything at anytime.
No kidding and also what the news never releases the thousands upon
thoudands ends up losing court cases on frivilous lawsuits.
>> Similar is when you purchase a Ferrari, they will advise you that part of
>> the warranty is that you use a Ferrari certified mechanic than the
>> average
>> mechanic when taken for maintenance. You understood the agreement and
>> accepted at the time of purchase (or for Microsoft - installation)
> Ok, answer me this, if I purchase a Ferrari and every 550 miles it
> dumps all it's fuel and oil due to a defect(Unknown at time of
> purchase)...Can I sue them?
A defect such as this would ultimately cause a recall under the warranty and
road worthiness conditions set by governments and Ferrari. But hey from
perusing your past posts, you seem to want the Ferrari for free and not pay
for it while expecting full absolute service for free.
However you cannot compare a defect of a car (which is more obvious) as to a
computer.
For computer operating systems, you have to decide the fact whether the
cause was caused by the user (ill trained and does a lot of fucking around
with files), the hardware (faulty memory, CPU or a corrupted hard drive),
other software that fucks up the operating system's settings.
The first thing you complain is Microsoft for having a poor operating system
and also you want it virtually for free.
I have personally seen a computer which freezes at some particular programs.
The initial thing that you reinstall the software or look for upgrades but
it does the exact thing. Make upgrades to the operating system also proved
fruitless. Took a second drive and made an Acronis duplicate but still it
froze on the exact same place.
After weeks of looking at the computer, I finally found that a particular
memory (although tested 100%) was not a fully match with the motherboard.
You could have easily say that the operating system could be at fault but
once the memory was replaced, it fired up an never froze again ever. The
memory in question went to another computer and that computer have never
faltered since too so I'd guess shit happens.
Agreed that Windows 98 if not the best operating system in the world however
that is hind sight viewing. When it was created, It was certainly better
and more stable than Windows 95 and both of those operating systems were not
able to completely multitask as what Windows NT or XP could do.
I still use Windows 98 for few simpler things because that operating system
can log into a domain as a stand alone operating system but now since there
is no support - I'd guess that I have to more along to the times.
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| Re: Microsoft To Withdraw Support for Windows 98 [message #225255 ] |
Sa, 15 Juli 2006 01:52 |
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LDL wrote:
> "Anonymous Infidel - The MoHamMad Debunker" <messiah2999 [at] yahoo.com> wrote in
> message news:1152784089.151521.295700 [at] p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com...
> >> The lawsuits that they are against them are for anti-competition.
> > The EU is not the only one that has sued microsoft.
> >>
> >> You can't sue them because you made an agreement with them when
> >> purchasing
> >> the software. They agreed that they will support you to a certain extent
> >> with various upgrades along the way however they will not support you if
> >> you
> >> the operating system received a virus and you weren't protected.
> > Really? Because I seem to remember a lot of people suing over that
> > whole Blaster worm incident.
> >>
> > Note: You can sue anybody for anything at anytime.
>
> No kidding and also what the news never releases the thousands upon
> thoudands ends up losing court cases on frivilous lawsuits.
True. But you got to know that all those court cases cannot be cheap...
>
> >> Similar is when you purchase a Ferrari, they will advise you that part of
> >> the warranty is that you use a Ferrari certified mechanic than the
> >> average
> >> mechanic when taken for maintenance. You understood the agreement and
> >> accepted at the time of purchase (or for Microsoft - installation)
> > Ok, answer me this, if I purchase a Ferrari and every 550 miles it
> > dumps all it's fuel and oil due to a defect(Unknown at time of
> > purchase)...Can I sue them?
>
> A defect such as this would ultimately cause a recall under the warranty and
> road worthiness conditions set by governments and Ferrari. But hey from
> perusing your past posts, you seem to want the Ferrari for free and not pay
> for it while expecting full absolute service for free.
That was not my point.
>
> However you cannot compare a defect of a car (which is more obvious) as to a
> computer.
Sure you can, its job is to get you from point a to b.
>
> For computer operating systems, you have to decide the fact whether the
> cause was caused by the user (ill trained and does a lot of fucking around
> with files), the hardware (faulty memory, CPU or a corrupted hard drive),
> other software that fucks up the operating system's settings.
You bring up Internet Explorer and you get a blue screen. Upon reboot
you get the blue screen of death - Drivers were loaded into memory and
then reloaded upon windows reboot. Whose fault is it that you have to
reboot? Whose fault is it for lost time/productivity?
>
Note: It is a known error and Microsofts only fix is to buy Win2000.
Point: You buy windows thinking it is going to get you from point a to
b and then you find out it likes to dump its fuel and oil every 550
miles.
>
> The first thing you complain is Microsoft for having a poor operating system
> and also you want it virtually for free.
I never complained. I like Microsoft, its a good company. They make
good things.
>
> I have personally seen a computer which freezes at some particular programs.
> The initial thing that you reinstall the software or look for upgrades but
> it does the exact thing. Make upgrades to the operating system also proved
> fruitless. Took a second drive and made an Acronis duplicate but still it
> froze on the exact same place.
Agree...But Win98 had a lot of bugs. IMHO I thinked they rushed that
version.
>
> After weeks of looking at the computer, I finally found that a particular
> memory (although tested 100%) was not a fully match with the motherboard.
> You could have easily say that the operating system could be at fault but
> once the memory was replaced, it fired up an never froze again ever. The
> memory in question went to another computer and that computer have never
> faltered since too so I'd guess shit happens.
True.
>
> Agreed that Windows 98 if not the best operating system in the world however
> that is hind sight viewing. When it was created, It was certainly better
> and more stable than Windows 95 and both of those operating systems were not
> able to completely multitask as what Windows NT or XP could do.
God I was excited when win95 came out. It was well worth the wait. I
can't say I felt the same for any other version release. :(
>
> I still use Windows 98 for few simpler things because that operating system
> can log into a domain as a stand alone operating system but now since there
> is no support - I'd guess that I have to more along to the times.
Win xp so far for me is the best...Cant say that I care if any other
versions are released. Probably wont until they have the 64bit thingy
worked out.
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| Re: Microsoft To Withdraw Support for Windows 98 [message #225567 ] |
So, 16 Juli 2006 16:34 |
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not that it matters
but there's an unofficial service pack for Windows 98SE
( I haven't tested it yet.... but it appears to be assembled
of all the microsoft fixes and updates relevant for the 98se
systems out there.... its 16.6mb in size... )
Anonymous Infidel - The Muslim mocker wrote:
> Legacy software, UGH!!! Reminds me of an incident where I was
> installing a wireless modem driver for 98. Sometimes the program that
> came with the drivers would freeze and cause the computer to
> reboot...And on reboot it would reload the drivers which were already
> in memory. Instant unrecoverable blue screen. Only way to fix it was
> Reboot(no backup drive at time). It was total nightmare.
>
> I Ended up installing the program to get modem to work and then
> uninstalling it manually, leaving drivers. Seems you don't need the
> program that comes with any wireless modem(95,98,ME). All it does is
> put the stupid Modem Icon in the taskbar notification area.
>
> Note: Microsoft technical bulletin informed me this was a known problem
> for Win98 and Me. Fix: Buy newer version of windows.
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| Re: Microsoft To Withdraw Support for Windows 98 [message #228800 ] |
Mo, 24 Juli 2006 07:51 |
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Why to bother with an old system since the cost of new PC has sunk $500
Salutations
<walter_lee [at] my-deja.com> wrote in message
news:1153060488.135217.287120 [at] p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com...
> not that it matters
> but there's an unofficial service pack for Windows 98SE
> ( I haven't tested it yet.... but it appears to be assembled
> of all the microsoft fixes and updates relevant for the 98se
> systems out there.... its 16.6mb in size... )
>
> Anonymous Infidel - The Muslim mocker wrote:
>> Legacy software, UGH!!! Reminds me of an incident where I was
>> installing a wireless modem driver for 98. Sometimes the program that
>> came with the drivers would freeze and cause the computer to
>> reboot...And on reboot it would reload the drivers which were already
>> in memory. Instant unrecoverable blue screen. Only way to fix it was
>> Reboot(no backup drive at time). It was total nightmare.
>>
>> I Ended up installing the program to get modem to work and then
>> uninstalling it manually, leaving drivers. Seems you don't need the
>> program that comes with any wireless modem(95,98,ME). All it does is
>> put the stupid Modem Icon in the taskbar notification area.
>>
>> Note: Microsoft technical bulletin informed me this was a known problem
>> for Win98 and Me. Fix: Buy newer version of windows.
>
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