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Culture & Politics » soc.culture.china » why we should all turn vegetarian
| why we should all turn vegetarian [message #223737] |
Mi, 12 Juli 2006 18:37 |
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The right to life is possible only in a certain, different atmosphere that
is not present on the earth at the moment. Animals are killed, birds are
killed, sea animals are killed, just for game. You don't have any reverence
for life. And life is the same whether it is in human beings or in other
forms. Unless man becomes aware of his violence towards animals, birds, he
cannot be really alert about his own right to life. If you are not caring
about others' lives, what right have you got to demand the same right for
yourself?
But the whole of humanity is non-vegetarian; they are all eating other life
forms. There is no reverence for life as such. Unless we create an
atmosphere of reverence for life, man cannot realize the goal of getting his
fundamental right of life.
When you eat meat you are not only taking food, you are allowing a
certain
animal from which the meat has come to enter in you. The meat was part
of a particular body, the meat was part of a particular instinct pattern.
The
meat was the animal just a few hours before, and that meat carries all
the impressions of the animal, all the habits of the animal. When you are
eating meat your many attitudes will be affected by it.
Non-vegetarian food is one of the basic causes of the whole society
being
almost in a continuous fight. It makes you insensitive, it makes you
hard,
it makes you a stone. And it creates things in you - anger, violence -
which
can be easily avoided.
Copyright 2002 Osho International Foundation
http://www.osho.com/Main.cfm?Area=Magazine&Language=Engl ish
> >
> > Body Dharma - on health
> > Eating a dead animal's flesh we are absorbing the emotions it felt as it
> was
> > killed. The chemistry of emotions - neurotransmitter substances - are
> > identical in man and beast.
> > Osho describes, "all the body glands (the dying animal's) release
poisons
> > because the animal is dying very unwillingly. And when you eat the meat;
> > that meat carries all the poisons that the animal has released." Bon
> apetit!
> >
> > VEGETARIANISM
> >
> >
> >
> > Man, naturally, should be a vegetarian, because the whole body is made
for
> > vegetarian food. Even scientists concede to the fact that the whole
> > structure of the human body shows that man should not be a
non-vegetarian.
> > Man comes from the monkeys. Monkeys are vegetarians, absolute
vegetarians.
> > If Darwin is true then man should be a vegetarian.
> >
> > Now there are ways to judge whether a certain species of animal is
> > vegetarian or non-vegetarian: it depends on the intestine, the length of
> the
> > intestine. Non-vegetarian animals have a very small intestine. Tigers,
> > lions - they have a very small intestine, because meat is already a
> digested
> > food. It does not need a long intestine to digest it. The work of
> digestion
> > has been done by the animal. Now you are eating the animal's meat. It is
> > already digested - no long intestine is needed. Man has one of the
longest
> > intestines: that means man is a vegetarian. A long digestion is needed,
> and
> > much excreta will be there which has to be thrown out.
> >
> > If man is not a non-vegetarian and he goes on eating meat, the body is
> > burdened. In the East, all the great meditators - Buddha, Mahavir - have
> > emphasized the fact. Not because of any concept of nonviolence - that is
a
> > secondary thing - but because if you really want to move in deep
> meditation
> > your body needs to be weightless, natural, flowing. Your body needs to
be
> > unloaded; and a non-vegetarian's body is very loaded.
> >
> > Just watch what happens when you eat meat: when you kill an animal what
> > happens to the animal when he is killed? Of course, nobody wants to be
> > killed. Life wants to prolong itself; the animal is not dying willingly.
> If
> > somebody kills you, you will not die willingly. If a lion jumps on you
and
> > kills you, what will happen to your mind? The same happens when you kill
a
> > lion. Agony, fear, death, anguish, anxiety, anger, violence, sadness -
all
> > these things happen to the animal. All over his body violence, anguish,
> > agony spreads. The whole body becomes full of toxins, poisons. All the
> body
> > glands release poisons because the animal is dying very unwillingly. And
> > then you eat the meat; that meat carries all the poisons that the animal
> has
> > released. The whole energy is poisonous. Then those poisons are carried
in
> > your body.
> >
> > That meat which you are eating belonged to an animal body. It had a
> specific
> > purpose there. A specific type of consciousness existed in the animal's
> > body. You are on a higher plane than the animal's consciousness, and
when
> > you eat the animal's meat your body goes to the lowest plane, to the
lower
> > plane of the animal. Then there exists a gap between your consciousness
> and
> > your body, and a tension arises and anxiety arises.
> >
> > One should eat things which are natural, natural for you. Fruits, nuts,
> > vegetables - eat as much as you can. The beauty is that you cannot eat
> more
> > of these things than is needed. Whatsoever is natural always gives you a
> > satisfaction, because it satiates your body, saturates you. You feel
> > fulfilled. If some thing is unnatural it never gives you a feeling of
> > fulfillment. Go on eating ice cream: you never feel that you are
satiated.
> > In fact the more you eat, the more you feel like eating. It is not a
food.
> > Your mind is being tricked. Now you are not eating according to the body
> > need; you are eating just to taste it. The tongue has become the
> controller.
> >
> > The tongue should not be the controller. It does not know anything about
> the
> > stomach. It does not know anything about the body. The tongue has a
> specific
> > purpose to fulfill: to taste food. Naturally, the tongue has to judge,
> that
> > is the only thing, which food is for the body, for my body and which
food
> is
> > not for my body. It is just a watchman on the door; it is not the
master,
> > and if the watchman on the door becomes the master, then everything will
> be
> > confused.
> >
> > Now advertisers know well that the tongue can be tricked, the nose can
be
> > tricked. And they are not the masters. You may not be aware: much food
> > research goes on in the world, and they say if your nose is closed
> > completely, and your eyes closed, and then you are given an onion to
eat,
> > you cannot tell what you are eating. You cannot tell onion from apple if
> the
> > nose is closed completely because half of the taste comes from the
smell,
> is
> > decided by the nose, and half is decided by the tongue. These two have
> > become the controllers. Now they know: whether ice cream is nutritious
or
> > not is not the point. It can carry a flavor, it can carry some chemicals
> > which fulfill the tongue but are not needed for the body.
> >
> > Man is confused, more confused than buffaloes. You cannot convince
> buffaloes
> > to eat ice cream. Try!
> >
> > A natural food...and when I say natural I mean that which your body
needs.
> > The need of a tiger is different; he has to be very violent. If you eat
> the
> > meat of a tiger you will be violent, but where will your violence be
> > expressed? You have to live in human society, not in a jungle. Then you
> will
> > have to suppress the violence. Then a vicious circle starts.
> >
> > When you suppress violence, what happens? When you feel angry, violent,
a
> > certain poisonous energy is released, because that poison creates a
> > situation where you can be really violent and kill somebody. The energy
> > moves towards your hands; the energy moves towards your teeth. These are
> the
> > two places from where animals become violent. Man is part of the animal
> > kingdom.
> >
> > When you are angry, energy is released - it comes to the hands and to
the
> > teeth, to the jaw - but you live in a human society and it is not always
> > profitable to be angry. You live in a civilized world and you cannot
> behave
> > like an animal. If you behave like an animal, you will have to pay too
> much
> > for it - and you are not ready to pay that much. Then what do you do?
You
> > suppress the anger in the hand; you suppress the anger in your teeth -
you
> > go on smiling a false smile, and your teeth go on accumulating anger.
> >
> > I have rarely come to see people with a natural jaw. It is not natural -
> > blocked, stiff - because there is too much anger. If you press the jaw
of
> a
> > person, the anger can be released. Hands become ugly. They lose grace,
> they
> > lose flexibility, because too much anger is suppressed there. People who
> > have been working on deep massage, they have come to know that when you
> > touch the hands deeply, massage the hands, the person starts becoming
> angry.
> > There is no reason. You are massaging the man and suddenly he starts
> feeling
> > angry. If you press the jaw, persons become angry again. They carry
> > accumulated anger. These are the impurities in the body: they have to be
> > released. If you don't release them the body will remain heavy.
> >
> >
> > Yoga: The Alpha and Omega
> >
> > To read more on this subject, go to Library
> >
> > Copyright © 2004 Osho International Foundation
> >
> >
> >
http://www.osho.com/Main.cfm?Area=Magazine&Language=Engl ish
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| Re: why we should all turn vegetarian [message #223743 ] |
Mi, 12 Juli 2006 11:49 |
|
..=2E.
dd wrote:
> The right to life is possible only in a certain, different atmosphere that
> is not present on the earth at the moment. Animals are killed, birds are
> killed, sea animals are killed, just for game. You don't have any reveren=
ce
> for life. And life is the same whether it is in human beings or in other
> forms. Unless man becomes aware of his violence towards animals, birds, he
> cannot be really alert about his own right to life. If you are not caring
> about others' lives, what right have you got to demand the same right for
> yourself?
>
> But the whole of humanity is non-vegetarian; they are all eating other li=
fe
> forms. There is no reverence for life as such. Unless we create an
> atmosphere of reverence for life, man cannot realize the goal of getting =
his
> fundamental right of life.
>
>
> When you eat meat you are not only taking food, you are allowing a
> certain
> animal from which the meat has come to enter in you. The meat was part
> of a particular body, the meat was part of a particular instinct pattern.
> The
> meat was the animal just a few hours before, and that meat carries all
> the impressions of the animal, all the habits of the animal. When you are
> eating meat your many attitudes will be affected by it.
>
> Non-vegetarian food is one of the basic causes of the whole society
> being
> almost in a continuous fight. It makes you insensitive, it makes you
> hard,
> it makes you a stone. And it creates things in you - anger, violence -
> which
> can be easily avoided.
>
> Copyright 2002 Osho International Foundation
>
> http://www.osho.com/Main.cfm?Area=3DMagazine&Language=3D English
> > >
> > > Body Dharma - on health
> > > Eating a dead animal's flesh we are absorbing the emotions it felt as=
it
> > was
> > > killed. The chemistry of emotions - neurotransmitter substances - are
> > > identical in man and beast.
> > > Osho describes, "all the body glands (the dying animal's) release
> poisons
> > > because the animal is dying very unwillingly. And when you eat the me=
at;
> > > that meat carries all the poisons that the animal has released." Bon
> > apetit!
> > >
> > > VEGETARIANISM
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Man, naturally, should be a vegetarian, because the whole body is made
> for
> > > vegetarian food. Even scientists concede to the fact that the whole
> > > structure of the human body shows that man should not be a
> non-vegetarian.
> > > Man comes from the monkeys. Monkeys are vegetarians, absolute
> vegetarians.
> > > If Darwin is true then man should be a vegetarian.
> > >
> > > Now there are ways to judge whether a certain species of animal is
> > > vegetarian or non-vegetarian: it depends on the intestine, the length=
of
> > the
> > > intestine. Non-vegetarian animals have a very small intestine. Tigers,
> > > lions - they have a very small intestine, because meat is already a
> > digested
> > > food. It does not need a long intestine to digest it. The work of
> > digestion
> > > has been done by the animal. Now you are eating the animal's meat. It=
is
> > > already digested - no long intestine is needed. Man has one of the
> longest
> > > intestines: that means man is a vegetarian. A long digestion is neede=
d,
> > and
> > > much excreta will be there which has to be thrown out.
> > >
> > > If man is not a non-vegetarian and he goes on eating meat, the body is
> > > burdened. In the East, all the great meditators - Buddha, Mahavir - h=
ave
> > > emphasized the fact. Not because of any concept of nonviolence - that=
is
> a
> > > secondary thing - but because if you really want to move in deep
> > meditation
> > > your body needs to be weightless, natural, flowing. Your body needs to
> be
> > > unloaded; and a non-vegetarian's body is very loaded.
> > >
> > > Just watch what happens when you eat meat: when you kill an animal wh=
at
> > > happens to the animal when he is killed? Of course, nobody wants to be
> > > killed. Life wants to prolong itself; the animal is not dying willing=
ly.
> > If
> > > somebody kills you, you will not die willingly. If a lion jumps on you
> and
> > > kills you, what will happen to your mind? The same happens when you k=
ill
> a
> > > lion. Agony, fear, death, anguish, anxiety, anger, violence, sadness -
> all
> > > these things happen to the animal. All over his body violence, anguis=
h,
> > > agony spreads. The whole body becomes full of toxins, poisons. All the
> > body
> > > glands release poisons because the animal is dying very unwillingly. =
And
> > > then you eat the meat; that meat carries all the poisons that the ani=
mal
> > has
> > > released. The whole energy is poisonous. Then those poisons are carri=
ed
> in
> > > your body.
> > >
> > > That meat which you are eating belonged to an animal body. It had a
> > specific
> > > purpose there. A specific type of consciousness existed in the animal=
's
> > > body. You are on a higher plane than the animal's consciousness, and
> when
> > > you eat the animal's meat your body goes to the lowest plane, to the
> lower
> > > plane of the animal. Then there exists a gap between your consciousne=
ss
> > and
> > > your body, and a tension arises and anxiety arises.
> > >
> > > One should eat things which are natural, natural for you. Fruits, nut=
s,
> > > vegetables - eat as much as you can. The beauty is that you cannot eat
> > more
> > > of these things than is needed. Whatsoever is natural always gives yo=
u a
> > > satisfaction, because it satiates your body, saturates you. You feel
> > > fulfilled. If some thing is unnatural it never gives you a feeling of
> > > fulfillment. Go on eating ice cream: you never feel that you are
> satiated.
> > > In fact the more you eat, the more you feel like eating. It is not a
> food.
> > > Your mind is being tricked. Now you are not eating according to the b=
ody
> > > need; you are eating just to taste it. The tongue has become the
> > controller.
> > >
> > > The tongue should not be the controller. It does not know anything ab=
out
> > the
> > > stomach. It does not know anything about the body. The tongue has a
> > specific
> > > purpose to fulfill: to taste food. Naturally, the tongue has to judge,
> > that
> > > is the only thing, which food is for the body, for my body and which
> food
> > is
> > > not for my body. It is just a watchman on the door; it is not the
> master,
> > > and if the watchman on the door becomes the master, then everything w=
ill
> > be
> > > confused.
> > >
> > > Now advertisers know well that the tongue can be tricked, the nose can
> be
> > > tricked. And they are not the masters. You may not be aware: much food
> > > research goes on in the world, and they say if your nose is closed
> > > completely, and your eyes closed, and then you are given an onion to
> eat,
> > > you cannot tell what you are eating. You cannot tell onion from apple=
if
> > the
> > > nose is closed completely because half of the taste comes from the
> smell,
> > is
> > > decided by the nose, and half is decided by the tongue. These two have
> > > become the controllers. Now they know: whether ice cream is nutritious
> or
> > > not is not the point. It can carry a flavor, it can carry some chemic=
als
> > > which fulfill the tongue but are not needed for the body.
> > >
> > > Man is confused, more confused than buffaloes. You cannot convince
> > buffaloes
> > > to eat ice cream. Try!
> > >
> > > A natural food...and when I say natural I mean that which your body
> needs.
> > > The need of a tiger is different; he has to be very violent. If you e=
at
> > the
> > > meat of a tiger you will be violent, but where will your violence be
> > > expressed? You have to live in human society, not in a jungle. Then y=
ou
> > will
> > > have to suppress the violence. Then a vicious circle starts.
> > >
> > > When you suppress violence, what happens? When you feel angry, violen=
t,
> a
> > > certain poisonous energy is released, because that poison creates a
> > > situation where you can be really violent and kill somebody. The ener=
gy
> > > moves towards your hands; the energy moves towards your teeth. These =
are
> > the
> > > two places from where animals become violent. Man is part of the anim=
al
> > > kingdom.
> > >
> > > When you are angry, energy is released - it comes to the hands and to
> the
> > > teeth, to the jaw - but you live in a human society and it is not alw=
ays
> > > profitable to be angry. You live in a civilized world and you cannot
> > behave
> > > like an animal. If you behave like an animal, you will have to pay too
> > much
> > > for it - and you are not ready to pay that much. Then what do you do?
> You
> > > suppress the anger in the hand; you suppress the anger in your teeth -
> you
> > > go on smiling a false smile, and your teeth go on accumulating anger.
> > >
> > > I have rarely come to see people with a natural jaw. It is not natura=
l -
> > > blocked, stiff - because there is too much anger. If you press the jaw
> of
> > a
> > > person, the anger can be released. Hands become ugly. They lose grace,
> > they
> > > lose flexibility, because too much anger is suppressed there. People =
who
> > > have been working on deep massage, they have come to know that when y=
ou
> > > touch the hands deeply, massage the hands, the person starts becoming
> > angry.
> > > There is no reason. You are massaging the man and suddenly he starts
> > feeling
> > > angry. If you press the jaw, persons become angry again. They carry
> > > accumulated anger. These are the impurities in the body: they have to=
be
> > > released. If you don't release them the body will remain heavy.
> > >
> > >
> > > Yoga: The Alpha and Omega
> > >
> > > To read more on this subject, go to Library
> > >
> > > Copyright =A9 2004 Osho International Foundation
> > >
> > >
> > >
>=20
> http://www.osho.com/Main.cfm?Area=3DMagazine&Language=3D English
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| Re: why we should all turn vegetarian [message #224098 ] |
Do, 13 Juli 2006 00:11 |
|
> But the whole of humanity is non-vegetarian;
If tha's true, we wouldn't be existing now. Get real.
|
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| Re: why we should all turn vegetarian [message #224099 ] |
Do, 13 Juli 2006 00:12 |
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Get real man.
|
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| Re: why we should all turn vegetarian [message #224102 ] |
Do, 13 Juli 2006 00:26 |
|
dd wrote:
> The right to life is possible only in a certain, different atmosphere that
> is not present on the earth at the moment. Animals are killed, birds are
> killed, sea animals are killed, just for game. You don't have any reveren=
ce
> for life. And life is the same whether it is in human beings or in other
> forms. Unless man becomes aware of his violence towards animals, birds, he
> cannot be really alert about his own right to life. If you are not caring
> about others' lives, what right have you got to demand the same right for
> yourself?
>
> But the whole of humanity is non-vegetarian; they are all eating other li=
fe
> forms. There is no reverence for life as such. Unless we create an
> atmosphere of reverence for life, man cannot realize the goal of getting =
his
> fundamental right of life.
>
>
> When you eat meat you are not only taking food, you are allowing a
> certain
> animal from which the meat has come to enter in you. The meat was part
> of a particular body, the meat was part of a particular instinct pattern.
> The
> meat was the animal just a few hours before, and that meat carries all
> the impressions of the animal, all the habits of the animal. When you are
> eating meat your many attitudes will be affected by it.
>
> Non-vegetarian food is one of the basic causes of the whole society
> being
> almost in a continuous fight. It makes you insensitive, it makes you
> hard,
> it makes you a stone. And it creates things in you - anger, violence -
> which
> can be easily avoided.
>
> Copyright 2002 Osho International Foundation
>
> http://www.osho.com/Main.cfm?Area=3DMagazine&Language=3D English
> > >
> > > Body Dharma - on health
> > > Eating a dead animal's flesh we are absorbing the emotions it felt as=
it
> > was
> > > killed. The chemistry of emotions - neurotransmitter substances - are
> > > identical in man and beast.
> > > Osho describes, "all the body glands (the dying animal's) release
> poisons
> > > because the animal is dying very unwillingly. And when you eat the me=
at;
> > > that meat carries all the poisons that the animal has released." Bon
> > apetit!
> > >
> > > VEGETARIANISM
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Man, naturally, should be a vegetarian, because the whole body is made
> for
> > > vegetarian food. Even scientists concede to the fact that the whole
> > > structure of the human body shows that man should not be a
> non-vegetarian.
> > > Man comes from the monkeys. Monkeys are vegetarians, absolute
> vegetarians.
> > > If Darwin is true then man should be a vegetarian.
> > >
> > > Now there are ways to judge whether a certain species of animal is
> > > vegetarian or non-vegetarian: it depends on the intestine, the length=
of
> > the
> > > intestine. Non-vegetarian animals have a very small intestine. Tigers,
> > > lions - they have a very small intestine, because meat is already a
> > digested
> > > food. It does not need a long intestine to digest it. The work of
> > digestion
> > > has been done by the animal. Now you are eating the animal's meat. It=
is
> > > already digested - no long intestine is needed. Man has one of the
> longest
> > > intestines: that means man is a vegetarian. A long digestion is neede=
d,
> > and
> > > much excreta will be there which has to be thrown out.
> > >
> > > If man is not a non-vegetarian and he goes on eating meat, the body is
> > > burdened. In the East, all the great meditators - Buddha, Mahavir - h=
ave
> > > emphasized the fact. Not because of any concept of nonviolence - that=
is
> a
> > > secondary thing - but because if you really want to move in deep
> > meditation
> > > your body needs to be weightless, natural, flowing. Your body needs to
> be
> > > unloaded; and a non-vegetarian's body is very loaded.
> > >
> > > Just watch what happens when you eat meat: when you kill an animal wh=
at
> > > happens to the animal when he is killed? Of course, nobody wants to be
> > > killed. Life wants to prolong itself; the animal is not dying willing=
ly.
> > If
> > > somebody kills you, you will not die willingly. If a lion jumps on you
> and
> > > kills you, what will happen to your mind? The same happens when you k=
ill
> a
> > > lion. Agony, fear, death, anguish, anxiety, anger, violence, sadness -
> all
> > > these things happen to the animal. All over his body violence, anguis=
h,
> > > agony spreads. The whole body becomes full of toxins, poisons. All the
> > body
> > > glands release poisons because the animal is dying very unwillingly. =
And
> > > then you eat the meat; that meat carries all the poisons that the ani=
mal
> > has
> > > released. The whole energy is poisonous. Then those poisons are carri=
ed
> in
> > > your body.
> > >
> > > That meat which you are eating belonged to an animal body. It had a
> > specific
> > > purpose there. A specific type of consciousness existed in the animal=
's
> > > body. You are on a higher plane than the animal's consciousness, and
> when
> > > you eat the animal's meat your body goes to the lowest plane, to the
> lower
> > > plane of the animal. Then there exists a gap between your consciousne=
ss
> > and
> > > your body, and a tension arises and anxiety arises.
> > >
> > > One should eat things which are natural, natural for you. Fruits, nut=
s,
> > > vegetables - eat as much as you can. The beauty is that you cannot eat
> > more
> > > of these things than is needed. Whatsoever is natural always gives yo=
u a
> > > satisfaction, because it satiates your body, saturates you. You feel
> > > fulfilled. If some thing is unnatural it never gives you a feeling of
> > > fulfillment. Go on eating ice cream: you never feel that you are
> satiated.
> > > In fact the more you eat, the more you feel like eating. It is not a
> food.
> > > Your mind is being tricked. Now you are not eating according to the b=
ody
> > > need; you are eating just to taste it. The tongue has become the
> > controller.
> > >
> > > The tongue should not be the controller. It does not know anything ab=
out
> > the
> > > stomach. It does not know anything about the body. The tongue has a
> > specific
> > > purpose to fulfill: to taste food. Naturally, the tongue has to judge,
> > that
> > > is the only thing, which food is for the body, for my body and which
> food
> > is
> > > not for my body. It is just a watchman on the door; it is not the
> master,
> > > and if the watchman on the door becomes the master, then everything w=
ill
> > be
> > > confused.
> > >
> > > Now advertisers know well that the tongue can be tricked, the nose can
> be
> > > tricked. And they are not the masters. You may not be aware: much food
> > > research goes on in the world, and they say if your nose is closed
> > > completely, and your eyes closed, and then you are given an onion to
> eat,
> > > you cannot tell what you are eating. You cannot tell onion from apple=
if
> > the
> > > nose is closed completely because half of the taste comes from the
> smell,
> > is
> > > decided by the nose, and half is decided by the tongue. These two have
> > > become the controllers. Now they know: whether ice cream is nutritious
> or
> > > not is not the point. It can carry a flavor, it can carry some chemic=
als
> > > which fulfill the tongue but are not needed for the body.
> > >
> > > Man is confused, more confused than buffaloes. You cannot convince
> > buffaloes
> > > to eat ice cream. Try!
> > >
> > > A natural food...and when I say natural I mean that which your body
> needs.
> > > The need of a tiger is different; he has to be very violent. If you e=
at
> > the
> > > meat of a tiger you will be violent, but where will your violence be
> > > expressed? You have to live in human society, not in a jungle. Then y=
ou
> > will
> > > have to suppress the violence. Then a vicious circle starts.
> > >
> > > When you suppress violence, what happens? When you feel angry, violen=
t,
> a
> > > certain poisonous energy is released, because that poison creates a
> > > situation where you can be really violent and kill somebody. The ener=
gy
> > > moves towards your hands; the energy moves towards your teeth. These =
are
> > the
> > > two places from where animals become violent. Man is part of the anim=
al
> > > kingdom.
> > >
> > > When you are angry, energy is released - it comes to the hands and to
> the
> > > teeth, to the jaw - but you live in a human society and it is not alw=
ays
> > > profitable to be angry. You live in a civilized world and you cannot
> > behave
> > > like an animal. If you behave like an animal, you will have to pay too
> > much
> > > for it - and you are not ready to pay that much. Then what do you do?
> You
> > > suppress the anger in the hand; you suppress the anger in your teeth -
> you
> > > go on smiling a false smile, and your teeth go on accumulating anger.
> > >
> > > I have rarely come to see people with a natural jaw. It is not natura=
l -
> > > blocked, stiff - because there is too much anger. If you press the jaw
> of
> > a
> > > person, the anger can be released. Hands become ugly. They lose grace,
> > they
> > > lose flexibility, because too much anger is suppressed there. People =
who
> > > have been working on deep massage, they have come to know that when y=
ou
> > > touch the hands deeply, massage the hands, the person starts becoming
> > angry.
> > > There is no reason. You are massaging the man and suddenly he starts
> > feeling
> > > angry. If you press the jaw, persons become angry again. They carry
> > > accumulated anger. These are the impurities in the body: they have to=
be
> > > released. If you don't release them the body will remain heavy.
> > >
> > >
> > > Yoga: The Alpha and Omega
> > >
> > > To read more on this subject, go to Library
> > >
> > > Copyright =A9 2004 Osho International Foundation
> > >
> > >
> > >
>
You're right. People can live on vegatables and fruits and nuts and
food grown from soil. We don't need to eat meat. I support your view.
I eat very little meat myself.
> http://www.osho.com/Main.cfm?Area=3DMagazine&Language=3D English
|
|
|
| For good reasons Re: why we should all turn vegetarian [message #224128 ] |
Do, 13 Juli 2006 02:51 |
|
For me it is hard not to see a lot of virtue in those cultures which
uphold the universal reference for life.
It is hard to see how we could feel sad when the people who are close
to us die and not feel the same way when innocent animals are killed.
We all live only once.
And consider the insight quoted in dd's post:
> > > Body Dharma - on health
> > >
> > > Eating a dead animal's flesh we are absorbing the emotions it
> > > felt as it was killed. The chemistry of emotions -
> > > neurotransmitter substances - are identical in man and beast.
> > > Osho describes, "all the body glands (the dying animal's)
> > > release poisons because the animal is dying very
> > > unwillingly. And when you eat the meat; that meat carries all
> > > the poisons that the animal has released." Bon apetit!
Although we don't know the quantitative aspect of it, the qualitative
part certainly has a material basis, and therefore makes sense.
Precisely because we only live once, the issue of killing, whether
concerning other animals or ourselves, should be of great concern for
us.
The Hindu culture appeals to me a great deal, partly because of the
respect Indian people have for the lives of many kinds of animals.
For reasons I would not go into here, the Hindu culture has a great
deal more awareness of the universality of our existence than, say,
the Chinese culture. The National Geographic image showing an old
Chinese woman squinting at a number of incense sticks she held with
both of her hands before her eyes in a haze of smoke is indelible and
telling. The number of sticks probably signifies the number of
relatives she would want her God or Gods to have mercy on. And in
some way and probably with validity, her God or Gods are probably,
consciously or unconsciously, her ancestors.
It is natural for her to feel that she needs to reach out for help
which she couldn't find elsewhere, among humans. Life is bleak for
most people, except the extreme minority of the elites, you know.
It is naturally therefore for her to reach out for the spirits of her
ancestors because afterall, she wouldn't know who else to turn to.
And it is naturally to only remember her loved ones because of the
investments loved ones have had for one another. (The psychologists
called it the ID extension.)
But perhaps, if there is any transcendental power, the notion of
universality may become significant. In other words, how can we
expect mercy if we ourselves aren't merciful. How can we expect love
from others if we don't take the initiative to love others. And how
can we be sure that an animal has no transcendental presence but only
we human do?
The Hindu culture seems to encompass a perspective of the universe as
extended back for billions of years and as extended out for all living
creatures.
Its sages seems to be able to incorporate our contemporary knowledge
of the animal body into their timeless wisdom of universality, parity,
and reciprocity. And that wisdom seems ripe for all human beings to
pick for their own benefits, including the large Chinese population.
The animal body science teaches us today hardly differentiates a
human's from that of a monkey.
I used to think that I can't survive without meat. I no longer think
that. It can take a while to get used to it.
It is mostly the de-sensitization of our feelings stemming from eating
killed animals which prevents us from feeling the the devastation of
wars, such as those in the ME.
How can we be so quick to invoke military option in the name of solving
problems otherwise?
lo yeeOn
========
In article <1152697799.374262.114010 [at] s13g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
ltlee1 <ltlee1 [at] hotmail.com> wrote:
>...
>dd wrote:
>> The right to life is possible only in a certain, different atmosphere that
>> is not present on the earth at the moment. Animals are killed, birds are
>> killed, sea animals are killed, just for game. You don't have any reverence
>> for life. And life is the same whether it is in human beings or in other
>> forms. Unless man becomes aware of his violence towards animals, birds, he
>> cannot be really alert about his own right to life. If you are not caring
>> about others' lives, what right have you got to demand the same right for
>> yourself?
>>
>> But the whole of humanity is non-vegetarian; they are all eating other life
>> forms. There is no reverence for life as such. Unless we create an
>> atmosphere of reverence for life, man cannot realize the goal of getting his
>> fundamental right of life.
>>
>>
>> When you eat meat you are not only taking food, you are allowing a
>> certain
>> animal from which the meat has come to enter in you. The meat was part
>> of a particular body, the meat was part of a particular instinct pattern.
>> The
>> meat was the animal just a few hours before, and that meat carries all
>> the impressions of the animal, all the habits of the animal. When you are
>> eating meat your many attitudes will be affected by it.
>>
>> Non-vegetarian food is one of the basic causes of the whole society
>> being
>> almost in a continuous fight. It makes you insensitive, it makes you
>> hard,
>> it makes you a stone. And it creates things in you - anger, violence -
>> which
>> can be easily avoided.
>>
>> Copyright 2002 Osho International Foundation
>>
>> http://www.osho.com/Main.cfm?Area=Magazine&Language=Engl ish
>> > >
>> > > Body Dharma - on health
>> > > Eating a dead animal's flesh we are absorbing the emotions it felt as it
>> > was
>> > > killed. The chemistry of emotions - neurotransmitter substances - are
>> > > identical in man and beast.
>> > > Osho describes, "all the body glands (the dying animal's) release
>> poisons
>> > > because the animal is dying very unwillingly. And when you eat the meat;
>> > > that meat carries all the poisons that the animal has released." Bon
>> > apetit!
>> > >
>> > > VEGETARIANISM
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Man, naturally, should be a vegetarian, because the whole body is made
>> for
>> > > vegetarian food. Even scientists concede to the fact that the whole
>> > > structure of the human body shows that man should not be a
>> non-vegetarian.
>> > > Man comes from the monkeys. Monkeys are vegetarians, absolute
>> vegetarians.
>> > > If Darwin is true then man should be a vegetarian.
>> > >
>> > > Now there are ways to judge whether a certain species of animal is
>> > > vegetarian or non-vegetarian: it depends on the intestine, the length of
>> > the
>> > > intestine. Non-vegetarian animals have a very small intestine. Tigers,
>> > > lions - they have a very small intestine, because meat is already a
>> > digested
>> > > food. It does not need a long intestine to digest it. The work of
>> > digestion
>> > > has been done by the animal. Now you are eating the animal's meat. It is
>> > > already digested - no long intestine is needed. Man has one of the
>> longest
>> > > intestines: that means man is a vegetarian. A long digestion is needed,
>> > and
>> > > much excreta will be there which has to be thrown out.
>> > >
>> > > If man is not a non-vegetarian and he goes on eating meat, the body is
>> > > burdened. In the East, all the great meditators - Buddha, Mahavir - have
>> > > emphasized the fact. Not because of any concept of nonviolence - that is
>> a
>> > > secondary thing - but because if you really want to move in deep
>> > meditation
>> > > your body needs to be weightless, natural, flowing. Your body needs to
>> be
>> > > unloaded; and a non-vegetarian's body is very loaded.
>> > >
>> > > Just watch what happens when you eat meat: when you kill an animal what
>> > > happens to the animal when he is killed? Of course, nobody wants to be
>> > > killed. Life wants to prolong itself; the animal is not dying willingly.
>> > If
>> > > somebody kills you, you will not die willingly. If a lion jumps on you
>> and
>> > > kills you, what will happen to your mind? The same happens when you kill
>> a
>> > > lion. Agony, fear, death, anguish, anxiety, anger, violence, sadness -
>> all
>> > > these things happen to the animal. All over his body violence, anguish,
>> > > agony spreads. The whole body becomes full of toxins, poisons. All the
>> > body
>> > > glands release poisons because the animal is dying very unwillingly. And
>> > > then you eat the meat; that meat carries all the poisons that the animal
>> > has
>> > > released. The whole energy is poisonous. Then those poisons are carried
>> in
>> > > your body.
>> > >
>> > > That meat which you are eating belonged to an animal body. It had a
>> > specific
>> > > purpose there. A specific type of consciousness existed in the animal's
>> > > body. You are on a higher plane than the animal's consciousness, and
>> when
>> > > you eat the animal's meat your body goes to the lowest plane, to the
>> lower
>> > > plane of the animal. Then there exists a gap between your consciousness
>> > and
>> > > your body, and a tension arises and anxiety arises.
>> > >
>> > > One should eat things which are natural, natural for you. Fruits, nuts,
>> > > vegetables - eat as much as you can. The beauty is that you cannot eat
>> > more
>> > > of these things than is needed. Whatsoever is natural always gives you a
>> > > satisfaction, because it satiates your body, saturates you. You feel
>> > > fulfilled. If some thing is unnatural it never gives you a feeling of
>> > > fulfillment. Go on eating ice cream: you never feel that you are
>> satiated.
>> > > In fact the more you eat, the more you feel like eating. It is not a
>> food.
>> > > Your mind is being tricked. Now you are not eating according to the body
>> > > need; you are eating just to taste it. The tongue has become the
>> > controller.
>> > >
>> > > The tongue should not be the controller. It does not know anything about
>> > the
>> > > stomach. It does not know anything about the body. The tongue has a
>> > specific
>> > > purpose to fulfill: to taste food. Naturally, the tongue has to judge,
>> > that
>> > > is the only thing, which food is for the body, for my body and which
>> food
>> > is
>> > > not for my body. It is just a watchman on the door; it is not the
>> master,
>> > > and if the watchman on the door becomes the master, then everything will
>> > be
>> > > confused.
>> > >
>> > > Now advertisers know well that the tongue can be tricked, the nose can
>> be
>> > > tricked. And they are not the masters. You may not be aware: much food
>> > > research goes on in the world, and they say if your nose is closed
>> > > completely, and your eyes closed, and then you are given an onion to
>> eat,
>> > > you cannot tell what you are eating. You cannot tell onion from apple if
>> > the
>> > > nose is closed completely because half of the taste comes from the
>> smell,
>> > is
>> > > decided by the nose, and half is decided by the tongue. These two have
>> > > become the controllers. Now they know: whether ice cream is nutritious
>> or
>> > > not is not the point. It can carry a flavor, it can carry some chemicals
>> > > which fulfill the tongue but are not needed for the body.
>> > >
>> > > Man is confused, more confused than buffaloes. You cannot convince
>> > buffaloes
>> > > to eat ice cream. Try!
>> > >
>> > > A natural food...and when I say natural I mean that which your body
>> needs.
>> > > The need of a tiger is different; he has to be very violent. If you eat
>> > the
>> > > meat of a tiger you will be violent, but where will your violence be
>> > > expressed? You have to live in human society, not in a jungle. Then you
>> > will
>> > > have to suppress the violence. Then a vicious circle starts.
>> > >
>> > > When you suppress violence, what happens? When you feel angry, violent,
>> a
>> > > certain poisonous energy is released, because that poison creates a
>> > > situation where you can be really violent and kill somebody. The energy
>> > > moves towards your hands; the energy moves towards your teeth. These are
>> > the
>> > > two places from where animals become violent. Man is part of the animal
>> > > kingdom.
>> > >
>> > > When you are angry, energy is released - it comes to the hands and to
>> the
>> > > teeth, to the jaw - but you live in a human society and it is not always
>> > > profitable to be angry. You live in a civilized world and you cannot
>> > behave
>> > > like an animal. If you behave like an animal, you will have to pay too
>> > much
>> > > for it - and you are not ready to pay that much. Then what do you do?
>> You
>> > > suppress the anger in the hand; you suppress the anger in your teeth -
>> you
>> > > go on smiling a false smile, and your teeth go on accumulating anger.
>> > >
>> > > I have rarely come to see people with a natural jaw. It is not natural -
>> > > blocked, stiff - because there is too much anger. If you press the jaw
>> of
>> > a
>> > > person, the anger can be released. Hands become ugly. They lose grace,
>> > they
>> > > lose flexibility, because too much anger is suppressed there. People who
>> > > have been working on deep massage, they have come to know that when you
>> > > touch the hands deeply, massage the hands, the person starts becoming
>> > angry.
>> > > There is no reason. You are massaging the man and suddenly he starts
>> > feeling
>> > > angry. If you press the jaw, persons become angry again. They carry
>> > > accumulated anger. These are the impurities in the body: they have to be
>> > > released. If you don't release them the body will remain heavy.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Yoga: The Alpha and Omega
>> > >
>> > > To read more on this subject, go to Library
>> > >
>> > > Copyright © 2004 Osho International Foundation
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>>
>> http://www.osho.com/Main.cfm?Area=Magazine&Language=Engl ish
>
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|
|
| For good reasons Re: why we should all turn vegetarian [message #224136 ] |
Do, 13 Juli 2006 03:32 |
|
For me it is hard not to see a lot of virtue in those cultures which
espouse the universal reverence for life.
It is hard to see how we could feel sad when the people who are close
to us die and not feel the same way when innocent animals are killed.
We all live only once.
And consider the insight quoted in dd's post:
> > > Body Dharma - on health
> > >
> > > Eating a dead animal's flesh we are absorbing the emotions it
> > > felt as it was killed. The chemistry of emotions -
> > > neurotransmitter substances - are identical in man and beast.
> > > Osho describes, "all the body glands (the dying animal's)
> > > release poisons because the animal is dying very
> > > unwillingly. And when you eat the meat; that meat carries all
> > > the poisons that the animal has released." Bon apetit!
Although we don't know the quantitative aspect of it, the qualitative
part certainly has a material basis, and therefore makes sense.
Precisely because we only live once, the issue of killing, whether
concerning other animals or ourselves, should be of great concern for
us.
The Hindu culture appeals to me a great deal, partly because of the
respect Indian people have for the lives of many kinds of animals.
For reasons I would not go into here, the Hindu culture has a great
deal more awareness of the universality of our existence than, say,
the Chinese culture. The National Geographic image showing an old
Chinese woman squinting at a number of incense sticks she held with
both of her hands before her eyes in a haze of smoke is indelible and
telling. The number of sticks probably signifies the number of
relatives she would want her God or Gods to have mercy on. And in
some way and probably with validity, her God or Gods are probably,
consciously or unconsciously, her ancestors.
It is natural for her to feel that she needs to reach out for help
which she couldn't find elsewhere, among humans. Life is bleak for
most people, except the extreme minority of the elites, you know.
It is naturally therefore for her to reach out for the spirits of her
ancestors because afterall, she wouldn't know who else to turn to.
And it is naturally to only remember her loved ones because of the
investments loved ones have had for one another. (The psychologists
called it the ID extension.)
But perhaps, if there is any transcendental power, the notion of
universality may become significant. In other words, how can we
expect mercy if we ourselves aren't merciful. How can we expect love
from others if we don't take the initiative to love others. And how
can we be sure that an animal has no transcendental presence but only
we human do?
The Hindu culture seems to encompass a perspective of the universe as
extended back for billions of years and as extended out for all living
creatures.
Its sages seems to be able to incorporate our contemporary knowledge
of the animal body into their timeless wisdom of universality, parity,
and reciprocity. And that wisdom seems ripe for all human beings to
pick for their own benefits, including the large Chinese population.
The animal body science teaches us today hardly differentiates a
human's from that of a monkey.
I used to think that I can't survive without meat. I no longer think
that. It can take a while to get used to it.
It is mostly the de-sensitization of our feelings stemming from eating
killed animals which prevents us from feeling the the devastation of
wars, such as those in the ME.
How can we be so quick to invoke military option in the name of solving
problems otherwise?
lo yeeOn
========
In article <1152697799.374262.114010 [at] s13g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
ltlee1 <ltlee1 [at] hotmail.com> wrote:
>...
>dd wrote:
>> The right to life is possible only in a certain, different atmosphere that
>> is not present on the earth at the moment. Animals are killed, birds are
>> killed, sea animals are killed, just for game. You don't have any reverence
>> for life. And life is the same whether it is in human beings or in other
>> forms. Unless man becomes aware of his violence towards animals, birds, he
>> cannot be really alert about his own right to life. If you are not caring
>> about others' lives, what right have you got to demand the same right for
>> yourself?
>>
>> But the whole of humanity is non-vegetarian; they are all eating other life
>> forms. There is no reverence for life as such. Unless we create an
>> atmosphere of reverence for life, man cannot realize the goal of getting his
>> fundamental right of life.
>>
>>
>> When you eat meat you are not only taking food, you are allowing a
>> certain
>> animal from which the meat has come to enter in you. The meat was part
>> of a particular body, the meat was part of a particular instinct pattern.
>> The
>> meat was the animal just a few hours before, and that meat carries all
>> the impressions of the animal, all the habits of the animal. When you are
>> eating meat your many attitudes will be affected by it.
>>
>> Non-vegetarian food is one of the basic causes of the whole society
>> being
>> almost in a continuous fight. It makes you insensitive, it makes you
>> hard,
>> it makes you a stone. And it creates things in you - anger, violence -
>> which
>> can be easily avoided.
>>
>> Copyright 2002 Osho International Foundation
>>
>> http://www.osho.com/Main.cfm?Area=Magazine&Language=Engl ish
>> > >
>> > > Body Dharma - on health
>> > > Eating a dead animal's flesh we are absorbing the emotions it felt as it
>> > was
>> > > killed. The chemistry of emotions - neurotransmitter substances - are
>> > > identical in man and beast.
>> > > Osho describes, "all the body glands (the dying animal's) release
>> poisons
>> > > because the animal is dying very unwillingly. And when you eat the meat;
>> > > that meat carries all the poisons that the animal has released." Bon
>> > apetit!
>> > >
>> > > VEGETARIANISM
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Man, naturally, should be a vegetarian, because the whole body is made
>> for
>> > > vegetarian food. Even scientists concede to the fact that the whole
>> > > structure of the human body shows that man should not be a
>> non-vegetarian.
>> > > Man comes from the monkeys. Monkeys are vegetarians, absolute
>> vegetarians.
>> > > If Darwin is true then man should be a vegetarian.
>> > >
>> > > Now there are ways to judge whether a certain species of animal is
>> > > vegetarian or non-vegetarian: it depends on the intestine, the length of
>> > the
>> > > intestine. Non-vegetarian animals have a very small intestine. Tigers,
>> > > lions - they have a very small intestine, because meat is already a
>> > digested
>> > > food. It does not need a long intestine to digest it. The work of
>> > digestion
>> > > has been done by the animal. Now you are eating the animal's meat. It is
>> > > already digested - no long intestine is needed. Man has one of the
>> longest
>> > > intestines: that means man is a vegetarian. A long digestion is needed,
>> > and
>> > > much excreta will be there which has to be thrown out.
>> > >
>> > > If man is not a non-vegetarian and he goes on eating meat, the body is
>> > > burdened. In the East, all the great meditators - Buddha, Mahavir - have
>> > > emphasized the fact. Not because of any concept of nonviolence - that is
>> a
>> > > secondary thing - but because if you really want to move in deep
>> > meditation
>> > > your body needs to be weightless, natural, flowing. Your body needs to
>> be
>> > > unloaded; and a non-vegetarian's body is very loaded.
>> > >
>> > > Just watch what happens when you eat meat: when you kill an animal what
>> > > happens to the animal when he is killed? Of course, nobody wants to be
>> > > killed. Life wants to prolong itself; the animal is not dying willingly.
>> > If
>> > > somebody kills you, you will not die willingly. If a lion jumps on you
>> and
>> > > kills you, what will happen to your mind? The same happens when you kill
>> a
>> > > lion. Agony, fear, death, anguish, anxiety, anger, violence, sadness -
>> all
>> > > these things happen to the animal. All over his body violence, anguish,
>> > > agony spreads. The whole body becomes full of toxins, poisons. All the
>> > body
>> > > glands release poisons because the animal is dying very unwillingly. And
>> > > then you eat the meat; that meat carries all the poisons that the animal
>> > has
>> > > released. The whole energy is poisonous. Then those poisons are carried
>> in
>> > > your body.
>> > >
>> > > That meat which you are eating belonged to an animal body. It had a
>> > specific
>> > > purpose there. A specific type of consciousness existed in the animal's
>> > > body. You are on a higher plane than the animal's consciousness, and
>> when
>> > > you eat the animal's meat your body goes to the lowest plane, to the
>> lower
>> > > plane of the animal. Then there exists a gap between your consciousness
>> > and
>> > > your body, and a tension arises and anxiety arises.
>> > >
>> > > One should eat things which are natural, natural for you. Fruits, nuts,
>> > > vegetables - eat as much as you can. The beauty is that you cannot eat
>> > more
>> > > of these things than is needed. Whatsoever is natural always gives you a
>> > > satisfaction, because it satiates your body, saturates you. You feel
>> > > fulfilled. If some thing is unnatural it never gives you a feeling of
>> > > fulfillment. Go on eating ice cream: you never feel that you are
>> satiated.
>> > > In fact the more you eat, the more you feel like eating. It is not a
>> food.
>> > > Your mind is being tricked. Now you are not eating according to the body
>> > > need; you are eating just to taste it. The tongue has become the
>> > controller.
>> > >
>> > > The tongue should not be the controller. It does not know anything about
>> > the
>> > > stomach. It does not know anything about the body. The tongue has a
>> > specific
>> > > purpose to fulfill: to taste food. Naturally, the tongue has to judge,
>> > that
>> > > is the only thing, which food is for the body, for my body and which
>> food
>> > is
>> > > not for my body. It is just a watchman on the door; it is not the
>> master,
>> > > and if the watchman on the door becomes the master, then everything will
>> > be
>> > > confused.
>> > >
>> > > Now advertisers know well that the tongue can be tricked, the nose can
>> be
>> > > tricked. And they are not the masters. You may not be aware: much food
>> > > research goes on in the world, and they say if your nose is closed
>> > > completely, and your eyes closed, and then you are given an onion to
>> eat,
>> > > you cannot tell what you are eating. You cannot tell onion from apple if
>> > the
>> > > nose is closed completely because half of the taste comes from the
>> smell,
>> > is
>> > > decided by the nose, and half is decided by the tongue. These two have
>> > > become the controllers. Now they know: whether ice cream is nutritious
>> or
>> > > not is not the point. It can carry a flavor, it can carry some chemicals
>> > > which fulfill the tongue but are not needed for the body.
>> > >
>> > > Man is confused, more confused than buffaloes. You cannot convince
>> > buffaloes
>> > > to eat ice cream. Try!
>> > >
>> > > A natural food...and when I say natural I mean that which your body
>> needs.
>> > > The need of a tiger is different; he has to be very violent. If you eat
>> > the
>> > > meat of a tiger you will be violent, but where will your violence be
>> > > expressed? You have to live in human society, not in a jungle. Then you
>> > will
>> > > have to suppress the violence. Then a vicious circle starts.
>> > >
>> > > When you suppress violence, what happens? When you feel angry, violent,
>> a
>> > > certain poisonous energy is released, because that poison creates a
>> > > situation where you can be really violent and kill somebody. The energy
>> > > moves towards your hands; the energy moves towards your teeth. These are
>> > the
>> > > two places from where animals become violent. Man is part of the animal
>> > > kingdom.
>> > >
>> > > When you are angry, energy is released - it comes to the hands and to
>> the
>> > > teeth, to the jaw - but you live in a human society and it is not always
>> > > profitable to be angry. You live in a civilized world and you cannot
>> > behave
>> > > like an animal. If you behave like an animal, you will have to pay too
>> > much
>> > > for it - and you are not ready to pay that much. Then what do you do?
>> You
>> > > suppress the anger in the hand; you suppress the anger in your teeth -
>> you
>> > > go on smiling a false smile, and your teeth go on accumulating anger.
>> > >
>> > > I have rarely come to see people with a natural jaw. It is not natural -
>> > > blocked, stiff - because there is too much anger. If you press the jaw
>> of
>> > a
>> > > person, the anger can be released. Hands become ugly. They lose grace,
>> > they
>> > > lose flexibility, because too much anger is suppressed there. People who
>> > > have been working on deep massage, they have come to know that when you
>> > > touch the hands deeply, massage the hands, the person starts becoming
>> > angry.
>> > > There is no reason. You are massaging the man and suddenly he starts
>> > feeling
>> > > angry. If you press the jaw, persons become angry again. They carry
>> > > accumulated anger. These are the impurities in the body: they have to be
>> > > released. If you don't release them the body will remain heavy.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Yoga: The Alpha and Omega
>> > >
>> > > To read more on this subject, go to Library
>> > >
>> > > Copyright © 2004 Osho International Foundation
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>>
>> http://www.osho.com/Main.cfm?Area=Magazine&Language=Engl ish
>
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| For good reasons Re: why we should all turn vegetarian [message #224167 ] |
Do, 13 Juli 2006 08:57 |
|
For me it is hard not to see a lot of virtue in those cultures which
espouse the universal reverence for life.
It is hard to see how we could feel sad when the people who are close
to us die and not feel the same way when innocent animals are killed.
We all live only once.
And consider the insight quoted in dd's post:
> > > Body Dharma - on health
> > >
> > > Eating a dead animal's flesh we are absorbing the emotions it
> > > felt as it was killed. The chemistry of emotions -
> > > neurotransmitter substances - are identical in man and beast.
> > > Osho describes, "all the body glands (the dying animal's)
> > > release poisons because the animal is dying very
> > > unwillingly. And when you eat the meat; that meat carries all
> > > the poisons that the animal has released." Bon apetit!
Although we don't know the quantitative aspect of it, the qualitative
part certainly has a material basis, and therefore makes sense.
Precisely because we only live once, the issue of killing, whether
concerning other animals or ourselves, should be of great concern for
us.
The Hindu culture appeals to me a great deal, partly because of the
respect Indian people have for the lives of many kinds of animals.
For reasons I would not go into here, the Hindu culture has a great
deal more awareness of the universality of our existence than, say,
the Confucian feudal culture. The National Geographic image showing
an old Chinese woman squinting at a number of incense sticks she held
with both of her hands before her eyes in a haze of smoke is indelible
and telling. The number of sticks probably signifies the number of
relatives she would want her God or Gods to have mercy on. And in
some way and probably with validity, her God or Gods are probably,
consciously or unconsciously, her ancestors.
It is natural for her to feel that she needs to reach out for help
which she couldn't find elsewhere, among humans. Life is bleak for
most people, except the extreme minority of the elites, you know.
It is natural therefore for her to reach out for the spirits of her
ancestors because afterall, she wouldn't know who else to turn to.
And it is natural to only remember her loved ones because of the
investments loved ones have had in for one another. (The
psychologists called it the ID extension.)
But perhaps, if there is any transcendental power, the notion of
universality may become significant. In other words, how can we
expect mercy if we ourselves aren't merciful? How can we expect love
from others if we don't take the initiative to love others? And how
can we be sure that an animal has no transcendental presence but only
we human do?
The Hindu culture seems to encompass a perspective of the universe as
extended back for billions of years and as extended out for all living
creatures.
Its sages seem to be able to incorporate our contemporary knowledge
of the animal body into their timeless wisdom of universality, parity,
and reciprocity. And that wisdom seems ripe for all human beings to
pick for their own benefit, including the large Chinese population.
The animal body science teaches us today hardly differentiates a
human's from that of a monkey.
I used to think that I can't survive without meat. I no longer think
that. It can take a while to get used to it.
It is mostly the de-sensitization of our feelings stemming from eating
killed animals which prevents us from feeling the the devastation of
wars, such as those in the ME.
How can we be so quick to invoke the military option in the name of
solving problems otherwise?
lo yeeOn
========
In article <1152697799.374262.114010 [at] s13g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
ltlee1 <ltlee1 [at] hotmail.com> wrote:
>...
>dd wrote:
>> The right to life is possible only in a certain, different atmosphere that
>> is not present on the earth at the moment. Animals are killed, birds are
>> killed, sea animals are killed, just for game. You don't have any reverence
>> for life. And life is the same whether it is in human beings or in other
>> forms. Unless man becomes aware of his violence towards animals, birds, he
>> cannot be really alert about his own right to life. If you are not caring
>> about others' lives, what right have you got to demand the same right for
>> yourself?
>>
>> But the whole of humanity is non-vegetarian; they are all eating other life
>> forms. There is no reverence for life as such. Unless we create an
>> atmosphere of reverence for life, man cannot realize the goal of getting his
>> fundamental right of life.
>>
>>
>> When you eat meat you are not only taking food, you are allowing a
>> certain
>> animal from which the meat has come to enter in you. The meat was part
>> of a particular body, the meat was part of a particular instinct pattern.
>> The
>> meat was the animal just a few hours before, and that meat carries all
>> the impressions of the animal, all the habits of the animal. When you are
>> eating meat your many attitudes will be affected by it.
>>
>> Non-vegetarian food is one of the basic causes of the whole society
>> being
>> almost in a continuous fight. It makes you insensitive, it makes you
>> hard,
>> it makes you a stone. And it creates things in you - anger, violence -
>> which
>> can be easily avoided.
>>
>> Copyright 2002 Osho International Foundation
>>
>> http://www.osho.com/Main.cfm?Area=Magazine&Language=Engl ish
>> > >
>> > > Body Dharma - on health
>> > > Eating a dead animal's flesh we are absorbing the emotions it felt as it
>> > was
>> > > killed. The chemistry of emotions - neurotransmitter substances - are
>> > > identical in man and beast.
>> > > Osho describes, "all the body glands (the dying animal's) release
>> poisons
>> > > because the animal is dying very unwillingly. And when you eat the meat;
>> > > that meat carries all the poisons that the animal has released." Bon
>> > apetit!
>> > >
>> > > VEGETARIANISM
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Man, naturally, should be a vegetarian, because the whole body is made
>> for
>> > > vegetarian food. Even scientists concede to the fact that the whole
>> > > structure of the human body shows that man should not be a
>> non-vegetarian.
>> > > Man comes from the monkeys. Monkeys are vegetarians, absolute
>> vegetarians.
>> > > If Darwin is true then man should be a vegetarian.
>> > >
>> > > Now there are ways to judge whether a certain species of animal is
>> > > vegetarian or non-vegetarian: it depends on the intestine, the length of
>> > the
>> > > intestine. Non-vegetarian animals have a very small intestine. Tigers,
>> > > lions - they have a very small intestine, because meat is already a
>> > digested
>> > > food. It does not need a long intestine to digest it. The work of
>> > digestion
>> > > has been done by the animal. Now you are eating the animal's meat. It is
>> > > already digested - no long intestine is needed. Man has one of the
>> longest
>> > > intestines: that means man is a vegetarian. A long digestion is needed,
>> > and
>> > > much excreta will be there which has to be thrown out.
>> > >
>> > > If man is not a non-vegetarian and he goes on eating meat, the body is
>> > > burdened. In the East, all the great meditators - Buddha, Mahavir - have
>> > > emphasized the fact. Not because of any concept of nonviolence - that is
>> a
>> > > secondary thing - but because if you really want to move in deep
>> > meditation
>> > > your body needs to be weightless, natural, flowing. Your body needs to
>> be
>> > > unloaded; and a non-vegetarian's body is very loaded.
>> > >
>> > > Just watch what happens when you eat meat: when you kill an animal what
>> > > happens to the animal when he is killed? Of course, nobody wants to be
>> > > killed. Life wants to prolong itself; the animal is not dying willingly.
>> > If
>> > > somebody kills you, you will not die willingly. If a lion jumps on you
>> and
>> > > kills you, what will happen to your mind? The same happens when you kill
>> a
>> > > lion. Agony, fear, death, anguish, anxiety, anger, violence, sadness -
>> all
>> > > these things happen to the animal. All over his body violence, anguish,
>> > > agony spreads. The whole body becomes full of toxins, poisons. All the
>> > body
>> > > glands release poisons because the animal is dying very unwillingly. And
>> > > then you eat the meat; that meat carries all the poisons that the animal
>> > has
>> > > released. The whole energy is poisonous. Then those poisons are carried
>> in
>> > > your body.
>> > >
>> > > That meat which you are eating belonged to an animal body. It had a
>> > specific
>> > > purpose there. A specific type of consciousness existed in the animal's
>> > > body. You are on a higher plane than the animal's consciousness, and
>> when
>> > > you eat the animal's meat your body goes to the lowest plane, to the
>> lower
>> > > plane of the animal. Then there exists a gap between your consciousness
>> > and
>> > > your body, and a tension arises and anxiety arises.
>> > >
>> > > One should eat things which are natural, natural for you. Fruits, nuts,
>> > > vegetables - eat as much as you can. The beauty is that you cannot eat
>> > more
>> > > of these things than is needed. Whatsoever is natural always gives you a
>> > > satisfaction, because it satiates your body, saturates you. You feel
>> > > fulfilled. If some thing is unnatural it never gives you a feeling of
>> > > fulfillment. Go on eating ice cream: you never feel that you are
>> satiated.
>> > > In fact the more you eat, the more you feel like eating. It is not a
>> food.
>> > > Your mind is being tricked. Now you are not eating according to the body
>> > > need; you are eating just to taste it. The tongue has become the
>> > controller.
>> > >
>> > > The tongue should not be the controller. It does not know anything about
>> > the
>> > > stomach. It does not know anything about the body. The tongue has a
>> > specific
>> > > purpose to fulfill: to taste food. Naturally, the tongue has to judge,
>> > that
>> > > is the only thing, which food is for the body, for my body and which
>> food
>> > is
>> > > not for my body. It is just a watchman on the door; it is not the
>> master,
>> > > and if the watchman on the door becomes the master, then everything will
>> > be
>> > > confused.
>> > >
>> > > Now advertisers know well that the tongue can be tricked, the nose can
>> be
>> > > tricked. And they are not the masters. You may not be aware: much food
>> > > research goes on in the world, and they say if your nose is closed
>> > > completely, and your eyes closed, and then you are given an onion to
>> eat,
>> > > you cannot tell what you are eating. You cannot tell onion from apple if
>> > the
>> > > nose is closed completely because half of the taste comes from the
>> smell,
>> > is
>> > > decided by the nose, and half is decided by the tongue. These two have
>> > > become the controllers. Now they know: whether ice cream is nutritious
>> or
>> > > not is not the point. It can carry a flavor, it can carry some chemicals
>> > > which fulfill the tongue but are not needed for the body.
>> > >
>> > > Man is confused, more confused than buffaloes. You cannot convince
>> > buffaloes
>> > > to eat ice cream. Try!
>> > >
>> > > A natural food...and when I say natural I mean that which your body
>> needs.
>> > > The need of a tiger is different; he has to be very violent. If you eat
>> > the
>> > > meat of a tiger you will be violent, but where will your violence be
>> > > expressed? You have to live in human society, not in a jungle. Then you
>> > will
>> > > have to suppress the violence. Then a vicious circle starts.
>> > >
>> > > When you suppress violence, what happens? When you feel angry, violent,
>> a
>> > > certain poisonous energy is released, because that poison creates a
>> > > situation where you can be really violent and kill somebody. The energy
>> > > moves towards your hands; the energy moves towards your teeth. These are
>> > the
>> > > two places from where animals become violent. Man is part of the animal
>> > > kingdom.
>> > >
>> > > When you are angry, energy is released - it comes to the hands and to
>> the
>> > > teeth, to the jaw - but you live in a human society and it is not always
>> > > profitable to be angry. You live in a civilized world and you cannot
>> > behave
>> > > like an animal. If you behave like an animal, you will have to pay too
>> > much
>> > > for it - and you are not ready to pay that much. Then what do you do?
>> You
>> > > suppress the anger in the hand; you suppress the anger in your teeth -
>> you
>> > > go on smiling a false smile, and your teeth go on accumulating anger.
>> > >
>> > > I have rarely come to see people with a natural jaw. It is not natural -
>> > > blocked, stiff - because there is too much anger. If you press the jaw
>> of
>> > a
>> > > person, the anger can be released. Hands become ugly. They lose grace,
>> > they
>> > > lose flexibility, because too much anger is suppressed there. People who
>> > > have been working on deep massage, they have come to know that when you
>> > > touch the hands deeply, massage the hands, the person starts becoming
>> > angry.
>> > > There is no reason. You are massaging the man and suddenly he starts
>> > feeling
>> > > angry. If you press the jaw, persons become angry again. They carry
>> > > accumulated anger. These are the impurities in the body: they have to be
>> > > released. If you don't release them the body will remain heavy.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Yoga: The Alpha and Omega
>> > >
>> > > To read more on this subject, go to Library
>> > >
>> > > Copyright © 2004 Osho International Foundation
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>>
>> http://www.osho.com/Main.cfm?Area=Magazine&Language=Engl ish
>
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| Re: why we should all turn vegetarian [message #227690 ] |
Do, 20 Juli 2006 23:57 |
|
"dd" <dd [at] d.com> wrote in message news:...
> The right to life is possible only in a certain, different atmosphere that
> is not present on the earth at the moment. Animals are killed, birds are
> killed, sea animals are killed, just for game. You don't have any
reverence
> for life. And life is the same whether it is in human beings or in other
> forms. Unless man becomes aware of his violence towards animals, birds, he
> cannot be really alert about his own right to life. If you are not caring
> about others' lives, what right have you got to demand the same right for
> yourself?
>
> But the whole of humanity is non-vegetarian; they are all eating other
life
> forms. There is no reverence for life as such. Unless we create an
> atmosphere of reverence for life, man cannot realize the goal of getting
his
> fundamental right of life.
>
>
> When you eat meat you are not only taking food, you are allowing a
> certain
> animal from which the meat has come to enter in you. The meat was part
> of a particular body, the meat was part of a particular instinct pattern.
> The
> meat was the animal just a few hours before, and that meat carries all
> the impressions of the animal, all the habits of the animal. When you are
> eating meat your many attitudes will be affected by it.
>
> Non-vegetarian food is one of the basic causes of the whole society
> being
> almost in a continuous fight. It makes you insensitive, it makes you
> hard,
> it makes you a stone. And it creates things in you - anger, violence -
> which
> can be easily avoided.
>
> Copyright 2002 Osho International Foundation
>
> http://www.osho.com/Main.cfm?Area=Magazine&Language=Engl ish
> > >
> > > Body Dharma - on health
> > > Eating a dead animal's flesh we are absorbing the emotions it felt as
it
> > was
> > > killed. The chemistry of emotions - neurotransmitter substances - are
> > > identical in man and beast.
> > > Osho describes, "all the body glands (the dying animal's) release
> poisons
> > > because the animal is dying very unwillingly. And when you eat the
meat;
> > > that meat carries all the poisons that the animal has released." Bon
> > apetit!
> > >
> > > VEGETARIANISM
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Man, naturally, should be a vegetarian, because the whole body is made
> for
> > > vegetarian food. Even scientists concede to the fact that the whole
> > > structure of the human body shows that man should not be a
> non-vegetarian.
> > > Man comes from the monkeys. Monkeys are vegetarians, absolute
> vegetarians.
> > > If Darwin is true then man should be a vegetarian.
> > >
> > > Now there are ways to judge whether a certain species of animal is
> > > vegetarian or non-vegetarian: it depends on the intestine, the length
of
> > the
> > > intestine. Non-vegetarian animals have a very small intestine. Tigers,
> > > lions - they have a very small intestine, because meat is already a
> > digested
> > > food. It does not need a long intestine to digest it. The work of
> > digestion
> > > has been done by the animal. Now you are eating the animal's meat. It
is
> > > already digested - no long intestine is needed. Man has one of the
> longest
> > > intestines: that means man is a vegetarian. A long digestion is
needed,
> > and
> > > much excreta will be there which has to be thrown out.
> > >
> > > If man is not a non-vegetarian and he goes on eating meat, the body is
> > > burdened. In the East, all the great meditators - Buddha, Mahavir -
have
> > > emphasized the fact. Not because of any concept of nonviolence - that
is
> a
> > > secondary thing - but because if you really want to move in deep
> > meditation
> > > your body needs to be weightless, natural, flowing. Your body needs to
> be
> > > unloaded; and a non-vegetarian's body is very loaded.
> > >
> > > Just watch what happens when you eat meat: when you kill an animal
what
> > > happens to the animal when he is killed? Of course, nobody wants to be
> > > killed. Life wants to prolong itself; the animal is not dying
willingly.
> > If
> > > somebody kills you, you will not die willingly. If a lion jumps on you
> and
> > > kills you, what will happen to your mind? The same happens when you
kill
> a
> > > lion. Agony, fear, death, anguish, anxiety, anger, violence, sadness -
> all
> > > these things happen to the animal. All over his body violence,
anguish,
> > > agony spreads. The whole body becomes full of toxins, poisons. All the
> > body
> > > glands release poisons because the animal is dying very unwillingly.
And
> > > then you eat the meat; that meat carries all the poisons that the
animal
> > has
> > > released. The whole energy is poisonous. Then those poisons are
carried
> in
> > > your body.
> > >
> > > That meat which you are eating belonged to an animal body. It had a
> > specific
> > > purpose there. A specific type of consciousness existed in the
animal's
> > > body. You are on a higher plane than the animal's consciousness, and
> when
> > > you eat the animal's meat your body goes to the lowest plane, to the
> lower
> > > plane of the animal. Then there exists a gap between your
consciousness
> > and
> > > your body, and a tension arises and anxiety arises.
> > >
> > > One should eat things which are natural, natural for you. Fruits,
nuts,
> > > vegetables - eat as much as you can. The beauty is that you cannot eat
> > more
> > > of these things than is needed. Whatsoever is natural always gives you
a
> > > satisfaction, because it satiates your body, saturates you. You feel
> > > fulfilled. If some thing is unnatural it never gives you a feeling of
> > > fulfillment. Go on eating ice cream: you never feel that you are
> satiated.
> > > In fact the more you eat, the more you feel like eating. It is not a
> food.
> > > Your mind is being tricked. Now you are not eating according to the
body
> > > need; you are eating just to taste it. The tongue has become the
> > controller.
> > >
> > > The tongue should not be the controller. It does not know anything
about
> > the
> > > stomach. It does not know anything about the body. The tongue has a
> > specific
> > > purpose to fulfill: to taste food. Naturally, the tongue has to judge,
> > that
> > > is the only thing, which food is for the body, for my body and which
> food
> > is
> > > not for my body. It is just a watchman on the door; it is not the
> master,
> > > and if the watchman on the door becomes the master, then everything
will
> > be
> > > confused.
> > >
> > > Now advertisers know well that the tongue can be tricked, the nose can
> be
> > > tricked. And they are not the masters. You may not be aware: much food
> > > research goes on in the world, and they say if your nose is closed
> > > completely, and your eyes closed, and then you are given an onion to
> eat,
> > > you cannot tell what you are eating. You cannot tell onion from apple
if
> > the
> > > nose is closed completely because half of the taste comes from the
> smell,
> > is
> > > decided by the nose, and half is decided by the tongue. These two have
> > > become the controllers. Now they know: whether ice cream is nutritious
> or
> > > not is not the point. It can carry a flavor, it can carry some
chemicals
> > > which fulfill the tongue but are not needed for the body.
> > >
> > > Man is confused, more confused than buffaloes. You cannot convince
> > buffaloes
> > > to eat ice cream. Try!
> > >
> > > A natural food...and when I say natural I mean that which your body
> needs.
> > > The need of a tiger is different; he has to be very violent. If you
eat
> > the
> > > meat of a tiger you will be violent, but where will your violence be
> > > expressed? You have to live in human society, not in a jungle. Then
you
> > will
> > > have to suppress the violence. Then a vicious circle starts.
> > >
> > > When you suppress violence, what happens? When you feel angry,
violent,
> a
> > > certain poisonous energy is released, because that poison creates a
> > > situation where you can be really violent and kill somebody. The
energy
> > > moves towards your hands; the energy moves towards your teeth. These
are
> > the
> > > two places from where animals become violent. Man is part of the
animal
> > > kingdom.
> > >
> > > When you are angry, energy is released - it comes to the hands and to
> the
> > > teeth, to the jaw - but you live in a human society and it is not
always
> > > profitable to be angry. You live in a civilized world and you cannot
> > behave
> > > like an animal. If you behave like an animal, you will have to pay too
> > much
> > > for it - and you are not ready to pay that much. Then what do you do?
> You
> > > suppress the anger in the hand; you suppress the anger in your teeth -
> you
> > > go on smiling a false smile, and your teeth go on accumulating anger.
> > >
> > > I have rarely come to see people with a natural jaw. It is not
natural -
> > > blocked, stiff - because there is too much anger. If you press the jaw
> of
> > a
> > > person, the anger can be released. Hands become ugly. They lose grace,
> > they
> > > lose flexibility, because too much anger is suppressed there. People
who
> > > have been working on deep massage, they have come to know that when
you
> > > touch the hands deeply, massage the hands, the person starts becoming
> > angry.
> > > There is no reason. You are massaging the man and suddenly he starts
> > feeling
> > > angry. If you press the jaw, persons become angry again. They carry
> > > accumulated anger. These are the impurities in the body: they have to
be
> > > released. If you don't release them the body will remain heavy.
> > >
> > >
> > > Yoga: The Alpha and Omega
> > >
> > > To read more on this subject, go to Library
> > >
> > > Copyright © 2004 Osho International Foundation
> > >
> > >
> > >
>
> http://www.osho.com/Main.cfm?Area=Magazine&Language=Engl ish
>
>
>
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| Re: why we should all turn vegetarian [message #227709 ] |
Do, 20 Juli 2006 10:54 |
|
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dd wrote:
> "dd" <dd [at] d.com> wrote in message news:...
> > The right to life is possible only in a certain, different atmosphere t=
hat
> > is not present on the earth at the moment. Animals are killed, birds are
> > killed, sea animals are killed, just for game. You don't have any
> reverence
> > for life. And life is the same whether it is in human beings or in other
> > forms. Unless man becomes aware of his violence towards animals, birds,=
he
> > cannot be really alert about his own right to life. If you are not cari=
ng
> > about others' lives, what right have you got to demand the same right f=
or
> > yourself?
> >
> > But the whole of humanity is non-vegetarian; they are all eating other
> life
> > forms. There is no reverence for life as such. Unless we create an
> > atmosphere of reverence for life, man cannot realize the goal of getting
> his
> > fundamental right of life.
> >
> >
> > When you eat meat you are not only taking food, you are allowing a
> > certain
> > animal from which the meat has come to enter in you. The meat was part
> > of a particular body, the meat was part of a particular instinct patter=
n=2E
> > The
> > meat was the animal just a few hours before, and that meat carries all
> > the impressions of the animal, all the habits of the animal. When you a=
re
> > eating meat your many attitudes will be affected by it.
> >
> > Non-vegetarian food is one of the basic causes of the whole society
> > being
> > almost in a continuous fight. It makes you insensitive, it makes you
> > hard,
> > it makes you a stone. And it creates things in you - anger, violence -
> > which
> > can be easily avoided.
> >
> > Copyright 2002 Osho International Foundation
> >
> > http://www.osho.com/Main.cfm?Area=3DMagazine&Language=3D English
> > > >
> > > > Body Dharma - on health
> > > > Eating a dead animal's flesh we are absorbing the emotions it felt =
as
> it
> > > was
> > > > killed. The chemistry of emotions - neurotransmitter substances - a=
re
> > > > identical in man and beast.
> > > > Osho describes, "all the body glands (the dying animal's) release
> > poisons
> > > > because the animal is dying very unwillingly. And when you eat the
> meat;
> > > > that meat carries all the poisons that the animal has released." Bon
> > > apetit!
> > > >
> > > > VEGETARIANISM
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Man, naturally, should be a vegetarian, because the whole body is m=
ade
> > for
> > > > vegetarian food. Even scientists concede to the fact that the whole
> > > > structure of the human body shows that man should not be a
> > non-vegetarian.
> > > > Man comes from the monkeys. Monkeys are vegetarians, absolute
> > vegetarians.
> > > > If Darwin is true then man should be a vegetarian.
> > > >
> > > > Now there are ways to judge whether a certain species of animal is
> > > > vegetarian or non-vegetarian: it depends on the intestine, the leng=
th
> of
> > > the
> > > > intestine. Non-vegetarian animals have a very small intestine. Tige=
rs,
> > > > lions - they have a very small intestine, because meat is already a
> > > digested
> > > > food. It does not need a long intestine to digest it. The work of
> > > digestion
> > > > has been done by the animal. Now you are eating the animal's meat. =
It
> is
> > > > already digested - no long intestine is needed. Man has one of the
> > longest
> > > > intestines: that means man is a vegetarian. A long digestion is
> needed,
> > > and
> > > > much excreta will be there which has to be thrown out.
> > > >
> > > > If man is not a non-vegetarian and he goes on eating meat, the body=
is
> > > > burdened. In the East, all the great meditators - Buddha, Mahavir -
> have
> > > > emphasized the fact. Not because of any concept of nonviolence - th=
at
> is
> > a
> > > > secondary thing - but because if you really want to move in deep
> > > meditation
> > > > your body needs to be weightless, natural, flowing. Your body needs=
to
> > be
> > > > unloaded; and a non-vegetarian's body is very loaded.
> > > >
> > > > Just watch what happens when you eat meat: when you kill an animal
> what
> > > > happens to the animal when he is killed? Of course, nobody wants to=
be
> > > > killed. Life wants to prolong itself; the animal is not dying
> willingly.
> > > If
> > > > somebody kills you, you will not die willingly. If a lion jumps on =
you
> > and
> > > > kills you, what will happen to your mind? The same happens when you
> kill
> > a
> > > > lion. Agony, fear, death, anguish, anxiety, anger, violence, sadnes=
s -
> > all
> > > > these things happen to the animal. All over his body violence,
> anguish,
> > > > agony spreads. The whole body becomes full of toxins, poisons. All =
the
> > > body
> > > > glands release poisons because the animal is dying very unwillingly.
> And
> > > > then you eat the meat; that meat carries all the poisons that the
> animal
> > > has
> > > > released. The whole energy is poisonous. Then those poisons are
> carried
> > in
> > > > your body.
> > > >
> > > > That meat which you are eating belonged to an animal body. It had a
> > > specific
> > > > purpose there. A specific type of consciousness existed in the
> animal's
> > > > body. You are on a higher plane than the animal's consciousness, and
> > when
> > > > you eat the animal's meat your body goes to the lowest plane, to the
> > lower
> > > > plane of the animal. Then there exists a gap between your
> consciousness
> > > and
> > > > your body, and a tension arises and anxiety arises.
> > > >
> > > > One should eat things which are natural, natural for you. Fruits,
> nuts,
> > > > vegetables - eat as much as you can. The beauty is that you cannot =
eat
> > > more
> > > > of these things than is needed. Whatsoever is natural always gives =
you
> a
> > > > satisfaction, because it satiates your body, saturates you. You feel
> > > > fulfilled. If some thing is unnatural it never gives you a feeling =
of
> > > > fulfillment. Go on eating ice cream: you never feel that you are
> > satiated.
> > > > In fact the more you eat, the more you feel like eating. It is not a
> > food.
> > > > Your mind is being tricked. Now you are not eating according to the
> body
> > > > need; you are eating just to taste it. The tongue has become the
> > > controller.
> > > >
> > > > The tongue should not be the controller. It does not know anything
> about
> > > the
> > > > stomach. It does not know anything about the body. The tongue has a
> > > specific
> > > > purpose to fulfill: to taste food. Naturally, the tongue has to jud=
ge,
> > > that
> > > > is the only thing, which food is for the body, for my body and which
> > food
> > > is
> > > > not for my body. It is just a watchman on the door; it is not the
> > master,
> > > > and if the watchman on the door becomes the master, then everything
> will
> > > be
> > > > confused.
> > > >
> > > > Now advertisers know well that the tongue can be tricked, the nose =
can
> > be
> > > > tricked. And they are not the masters. You may not be aware: much f=
ood
> > > > research goes on in the world, and they say if your nose is closed
> > > > completely, and your eyes closed, and then you are given an onion to
> > eat,
> > > > you cannot tell what you are eating. You cannot tell onion from app=
le
> if
> > > the
> > > > nose is closed completely because half of the taste comes from the
> > smell,
> > > is
> > > > decided by the nose, and half is decided by the tongue. These two h=
ave
> > > > become the controllers. Now they know: whether ice cream is nutriti=
ous
> > or
> > > > not is not the point. It can carry a flavor, it can carry some
> chemicals
> > > > which fulfill the tongue but are not needed for the body.
> > > >
> > > > Man is confused, more confused than buffaloes. You cannot convince
> > > buffaloes
> > > > to eat ice cream. Try!
> > > >
> > > > A natural food...and when I say natural I mean that which your body
> > needs.
> > > > The need of a tiger is different; he has to be very violent. If you
> eat
> > > the
> > > > meat of a tiger you will be violent, but where will your violence be
> > > > expressed? You have to live in human society, not in a jungle. Then
> you
> > > will
> > > > have to suppress the violence. Then a vicious circle starts.
> > > >
> > > > When you suppress violence, what happens? When you feel angry,
> violent,
> > a
> > > > certain poisonous energy is released, because that poison creates a
> > > > situation where you can be really violent and kill somebody. The
> energy
> > > > moves towards your hands; the energy moves towards your teeth. These
> are
> > > the
> > > > two places from where animals become violent. Man is part of the
> animal
> > > > kingdom.
> > > >
> > > > When you are angry, energy is released - it comes to the hands and =
to
> > the
> > > > teeth, to the jaw - but you live in a human society and it is not
> always
> > > > profitable to be angry. You live in a civilized world and you cannot
> > > behave
> > > > like an animal. If you behave like an animal, you will have to pay =
too
> > > much
> > > > for it - and you are not ready to pay that much. Then what do you d=
o?
> > You
> > > > suppress the anger in the hand; you suppress the anger in your teet=
h -
> > you
> > > > go on smiling a false smile, and your teeth go on accumulating ange=
r=2E
> > > >
> > > > I have rarely come to see people with a natural jaw. It is not
> natural -
> > > > blocked, stiff - because there is too much anger. If you press the =
jaw
> > of
> > > a
> > > > person, the anger can be released. Hands become ugly. They lose gra=
ce,
> > > they
> > > > lose flexibility, because too much anger is suppressed there. People
> who
> > > > have been working on deep massage, they have come to know that when
> you
> > > > touch the hands deeply, massage the hands, the person starts becomi=
ng
> > > angry.
> > > > There is no reason. You are massaging the man and suddenly he starts
> > > feeling
> > > > angry. If you press the jaw, persons become angry again. They carry
> > > > accumulated anger. These are the impurities in the body: they have =
to
> be
> > > > released. If you don't release them the body will remain heavy.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Yoga: The Alpha and Omega
> > > >
> > > > To read more on this subject, go to Library
> > > >
> > > > Copyright =A9 2004 Osho International Foundation
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> >
> > http://www.osho.com/Main.cfm?Area=3DMagazine&Language=3D English
> >
> >
> >
|
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| Re: why we should all turn vegetarian [message #227710 ] |
Do, 20 Juli 2006 11:10 |
|
unpin
dd wrote:
> "dd" <dd [at] d.com> wrote in message news:...
> > The right to life is possible only in a certain, different atmosphere t=
hat
> > is not present on the earth at the moment. Animals are killed, birds are
> > killed, sea animals are killed, just for game. You don't have any
> reverence
> > for life. And life is the same whether it is in human beings or in other
> > forms. Unless man becomes aware of his violence towards animals, birds,=
he
> > cannot be really alert about his own right to life. If you are not cari=
ng
> > about others' lives, what right have you got to demand the same right f=
or
> > yourself?
> >
> > But the whole of humanity is non-vegetarian; they are all eating other
> life
> > forms. There is no reverence for life as such. Unless we create an
> > atmosphere of reverence for life, man cannot realize the goal of getting
> his
> > fundamental right of life.
> >
> >
> > When you eat meat you are not only taking food, you are allowing a
> > certain
> > animal from which the meat has come to enter in you. The meat was part
> > of a particular body, the meat was part of a particular instinct patter=
n=2E
> > The
> > meat was the animal just a few hours before, and that meat carries all
> > the impressions of the animal, all the habits of the animal. When you a=
re
> > eating meat your many attitudes will be affected by it.
> >
> > Non-vegetarian food is one of the basic causes of the whole society
> > being
> > almost in a continuous fight. It makes you insensitive, it makes you
> > hard,
> > it makes you a stone. And it creates things in you - anger, violence -
> > which
> > can be easily avoided.
> >
> > Copyright 2002 Osho International Foundation
> >
> > http://www.osho.com/Main.cfm?Area=3DMagazine&Language=3D English
> > > >
> > > > Body Dharma - on health
> > > > Eating a dead animal's flesh we are absorbing the emotions it felt =
as
> it
> > > was
> > > > killed. The chemistry of emotions - neurotransmitter substances - a=
re
> > > > identical in man and beast.
> > > > Osho describes, "all the body glands (the dying animal's) release
> > poisons
> > > > because the animal is dying very unwillingly. And when you eat the
> meat;
> > > > that meat carries all the poisons that the animal has released." Bon
> > > apetit!
> > > >
> > > > VEGETARIANISM
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Man, naturally, should be a vegetarian, because the whole body is m=
ade
> > for
> > > > vegetarian food. Even scientists concede to the fact that the whole
> > > > structure of the human body shows that man should not be a
> > non-vegetarian.
> > > > Man comes from the monkeys. Monkeys are vegetarians, absolute
> > vegetarians.
> > > > If Darwin is true then man should be a vegetarian.
> > > >
> > > > Now there are ways to judge whether a certain species of animal is
> > > > vegetarian or non-vegetarian: it depends on the intestine, the leng=
th
> of
> > > the
> > > > intestine. Non-vegetarian animals have a very small intestine. Tige=
rs,
> > > > lions - they have a very small intestine, because meat is already a
> > > digested
> > > > food. It does not need a long intestine to digest it. The work of
> > > digestion
> > > > has been done by the animal. Now you are eating the animal's meat. =
It
> is
> > > > already digested - no long intestine is needed. Man has one of the
> > longest
> > > > intestines: that means man is a vegetarian. A long digestion is
> needed,
> > > and
> > > > much excreta will be there which has to be thrown out.
> > > >
> > > > If man is not a non-vegetarian and he goes on eating meat, the body=
is
> > > > burdened. In the East, all the great meditators - Buddha, Mahavir -
> have
> > > > emphasized the fact. Not because of any concept of nonviolence - th=
at
> is
> > a
> > > > secondary thing - but because if you really want to move in deep
> > > meditation
> > > > your body needs to be weightless, natural, flowing. Your body needs=
to
> > be
> > > > unloaded; and a non-vegetarian's body is very loaded.
> > > >
> > > > Just watch what happens when you eat meat: when you kill an animal
> what
> > > > happens to the animal when he is killed? Of course, nobody wants to=
be
> > > > killed. Life wants to prolong itself; the animal is not dying
> willingly.
> > > If
> > > > somebody kills you, you will not die willingly. If a lion jumps on =
you
> > and
> > > > kills you, what will happen to your mind? The same happens when you
> kill
> > a
> > > > lion. Agony, fear, death, anguish, anxiety, anger, violence, sadnes=
s -
> > all
> > > > these things happen to the animal. All over his body violence,
> anguish,
> > > > agony spreads. The whole body becomes full of toxins, poisons. All =
the
> > > body
> > > > glands release poisons because the animal is dying very unwillingly.
> And
> > > > then you eat the meat; that meat carries all the poisons that the
> animal
> > > has
> > > > released. The whole energy is poisonous. Then those poisons are
> carried
> > in
> > > > your body.
> > > >
> > > > That meat which you are eating belonged to an animal body. It had a
> > > specific
> > > > purpose there. A specific type of consciousness existed in the
> animal's
> > > > body. You are on a higher plane than the animal's consciousness, and
> > when
> > > > you eat the animal's meat your body goes to the lowest plane, to the
> > lower
> > > > plane of the animal. Then there exists a gap between your
> consciousness
> > > and
> > > > your body, and a tension arises and anxiety arises.
> > > >
> > > > One should eat things which are natural, natural for you. Fruits,
> nuts,
> > > > vegetables - eat as much as you can. The beauty is that you cannot =
eat
> > > more
> > > > of these things than is needed. Whatsoever is natural always gives =
you
> a
> > > > satisfaction, because it satiates your body, saturates you. You feel
> > > > fulfilled. If some thing is unnatural it never gives you a feeling =
of
> > > > fulfillment. Go on eating ice cream: you never feel that you are
> > satiated.
> > > > In fact the more you eat, the more you feel like eating. It is not a
> > food.
> > > > Your mind is being tricked. Now you are not eating according to the
> body
> > > > need; you are eating just to taste it. The tongue has become the
> > > controller.
> > > >
> > > > The tongue should not be the controller. It does not know anything
> about
> > > the
> > > > stomach. It does not know anything about the body. The tongue has a
> > > specific
> > > > purpose to fulfill: to taste food. Naturally, the tongue has to jud=
ge,
> > > that
> > > > is the only thing, which food is for the body, for my body and which
> > food
> > > is
> > > > not for my body. It is just a watchman on the door; it is not the
> > master,
> > > > and if the watchman on the door becomes the master, then everything
> will
> > > be
> > > > confused.
> > > >
> > > > Now advertisers know well that the tongue can be tricked, the nose =
can
> > be
> > > > tricked. And they are not the masters. You may not be aware: much f=
ood
> > > > research goes on in the world, and they say if your nose is closed
> > > > completely, and your eyes closed, and then you are given an onion to
> > eat,
> > > > you cannot tell what you are eating. You cannot tell onion from app=
le
> if
> > > the
> > > > nose is closed completely because half of the taste comes from the
> > smell,
> > > is
> > > > decided by the nose, and half is decided by the tongue. These two h=
ave
> > > > become the controllers. Now they know: whether ice cream is nutriti=
ous
> > or
> > > > not is not the point. It can carry a flavor, it can carry some
> chemicals
> > > > which fulfill the tongue but are not needed for the body.
> > > >
> > > > Man is confused, more confused than buffaloes. You cannot convince
> > > buffaloes
> > > > to eat ice cream. Try!
> > > >
> > > > A natural food...and when I say natural I mean that which your body
> > needs.
> > > > The need of a tiger is different; he has to be very violent. If you
> eat
> > > the
> > > > meat of a tiger you will be violent, but where will your violence be
> > > > expressed? You have to live in human society, not in a jungle. Then
> you
> > > will
> > > > have to suppress the violence. Then a vicious circle starts.
> > > >
> > > > When you suppress violence, what happens? When you feel angry,
> violent,
> > a
> > > > certain poisonous energy is released, because that poison creates a
> > > > situation where you can be really violent and kill somebody. The
> energy
> > > > moves towards your hands; the energy moves towards your teeth. These
> are
> > > the
> > > > two places from where animals become violent. Man is part of the
> animal
> > > > kingdom.
> > > >
> > > > When you are angry, energy is released - it comes to the hands and =
to
> > the
> > > > teeth, to the jaw - but you live in a human society and it is not
> always
> > > > profitable to be angry. You live in a civilized world and you cannot
> > > behave
> > > > like an animal. If you behave like an animal, you will have to pay =
too
> > > much
> > > > for it - and you are not ready to pay that much. Then what do you d=
o?
> > You
> > > > suppress the anger in the hand; you suppress the anger in your teet=
h -
> > you
> > > > go on smiling a false smile, and your teeth go on accumulating ange=
r=2E
> > > >
> > > > I have rarely come to see people with a natural jaw. It is not
> natural -
> > > > blocked, stiff - because there is too much anger. If you press the =
jaw
> > of
> > > a
> > > > person, the anger can be released. Hands become ugly. They lose gra=
ce,
> > > they
> > > > lose flexibility, because too much anger is suppressed there. People
> who
> > > > have been working on deep massage, they have come to know that when
> you
> > > > touch the hands deeply, massage the hands, the person starts becomi=
ng
> > > angry.
> > > > There is no reason. You are massaging the man and suddenly he starts
> > > feeling
> > > > angry. If you press the jaw, persons become angry again. They carry
> > > > accumulated anger. These are the impurities in the body: they have =
to
> be
> > > > released. If you don't release them the body will remain heavy.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Yoga: The Alpha and Omega
> > > >
> > > > To read more on this subject, go to Library
> > > >
> > > > Copyright =A9 2004 Osho International Foundation
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> >
> > http://www.osho.com/Main.cfm?Area=3DMagazine&Language=3D English
> >
> >
> >
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| Re: why we should all turn vegetarian [message #227814 ] |
Do, 20 Juli 2006 17:58 |
|
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dd wrote:
> "dd" <dd [at] d.com> wrote in message news:...
> > The right to life is possible only in a certain, different atmosphere t=
hat
> > is not present on the earth at the moment. Animals are killed, birds are
> > killed, sea animals are killed, just for game. You don't have any
> reverence
> > for life. And life is the same whether it is in human beings or in other
> > forms. Unless man becomes aware of his violence towards animals, birds,=
he
> > cannot be really alert about his own right to life. If you are not cari=
ng
> > about others' lives, what right have you got to demand the same right f=
or
> > yourself?
> >
> > But the whole of humanity is non-vegetarian; they are all eating other
> life
> > forms. There is no reverence for life as such. Unless we create an
> > atmosphere of reverence for life, man cannot realize the goal of getting
> his
> > fundamental right of life.
> >
> >
> > When you eat meat you are not only taking food, you are allowing a
> > certain
> > animal from which the meat has come to enter in you. The meat was part
> > of a particular body, the meat was part of a particular instinct patter=
n=2E
> > The
> > meat was the animal just a few hours before, and that meat carries all
> > the impressions of the animal, all the habits of the animal. When you a=
re
> > eating meat your many attitudes will be affected by it.
> >
> > Non-vegetarian food is one of the basic causes of the whole society
> > being
> > almost in a continuous fight. It makes you insensitive, it makes you
> > hard,
> > it makes you a stone. And it creates things in you - anger, violence -
> > which
> > can be easily avoided.
> >
> > Copyright 2002 Osho International Foundation
> >
> > http://www.osho.com/Main.cfm?Area=3DMagazine&Language=3D English
> > > >
> > > > Body Dharma - on health
> > > > Eating a dead animal's flesh we are absorbing the emotions it felt =
as
> it
> > > was
> > > > killed. The chemistry of emotions - neurotransmitter substances - a=
re
> > > > identical in man and beast.
> > > > Osho describes, "all the body glands (the dying animal's) release
> > poisons
> > > > because the animal is dying very unwillingly. And when you eat the
> meat;
> > > > that meat carries all the poisons that the animal has released." Bon
> > > apetit!
> > > >
> > > > VEGETARIANISM
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Man, naturally, should be a vegetarian, because the whole body is m=
ade
> > for
> > > > vegetarian food. Even scientists concede to the fact that the whole
> > > > structure of the human body shows that man should not be a
> > non-vegetarian.
> > > > Man comes from the monkeys. Monkeys are vegetarians, absolute
> > vegetarians.
> > > > If Darwin is true then man should be a vegetarian.
> > > >
> > > > Now there are ways to judge whether a certain species of animal is
> > > > vegetarian or non-vegetarian: it depends on the intestine, the leng=
th
> of
> > > the
> > > > intestine. Non-vegetarian animals have a very small intestine. Tige=
rs,
> > > > lions - they have a very small intestine, because meat is already a
> > > digested
> > > > food. It does not need a long intestine to digest it. The work of
> > > digestion
> > > > has been done by the animal. Now you are eating the animal's meat. =
It
> is
> > > > already digested - no long intestine is needed. Man has one of the
> > longest
> > > > intestines: that means man is a vegetarian. A long digestion is
> needed,
> > > and
> > > > much excreta will be there which has to be thrown out.
> > > >
> > > > If man is not a non-vegetarian and he goes on eating meat, the body=
is
> > > > burdened. In the East, all the great meditators - Buddha, Mahavir -
> have
> > > > emphasized the fact. Not because of any concept of nonviolence - th=
at
> is
> > a
> > > > secondary thing - but because if you really want to move in deep
> > > meditation
> > > > your body needs to be weightless, natural, flowing. Your body needs=
to
> > be
> > > > unloaded; and a non-vegetarian's body is very loaded.
> > > >
> > > > Just watch what happens when you eat meat: when you kill an animal
> what
> > > > happens to the animal when he is killed? Of course, nobody wants to=
be
> > > > killed. Life wants to prolong itself; the animal is not dying
> willingly.
> > > If
> > > > somebody kills you, you will not die willingly. If a lion jumps on =
you
> > and
> > > > kills you, what will happen to your mind? The same happens when you
> kill
> > a
> > > > lion. Agony, fear, death, anguish, anxiety, anger, violence, sadnes=
s -
> > all
> > > > these things happen to the animal. All over his body violence,
> anguish,
> > > > agony spreads. The whole body becomes full of toxins, poisons. All =
the
> > > body
> > > > glands release poisons because the animal is dying very unwillingly.
> And
> > > > then you eat the meat; that meat carries all the poisons that the
> animal
> > > has
> > > > released. The whole energy is poisonous. Then those poisons are
> carried
> > in
> > > > your body.
> > > >
> > > > That meat which you are eating belonged to an animal body. It had a
> > > specific
> > > > purpose there. A specific type of consciousness existed in the
> animal's
> > > > body. You are on a higher plane than the animal's consciousness, and
> > when
> > > > you eat the animal's meat your body goes to the lowest plane, to the
> > lower
> > > > plane of the animal. Then there exists a gap between your
> consciousness
> > > and
> > > > your body, and a tension arises and anxiety arises.
> > > >
> > > > One should eat things which are natural, natural for you. Fruits,
> nuts,
> > > > vegetables - eat as much as you can. The beauty is that you cannot =
eat
> > > more
> > > > of these things than is needed. Whatsoever is natural always gives =
you
> a
> > > > satisfaction, because it satiates your body, saturates you. You feel
> > > > fulfilled. If some thing is unnatural it never gives you a feeling =
of
> > > > fulfillment. Go on eating ice cream: you never feel that you are
> > satiated.
> > > > In fact the more you eat, the more you feel like eating. It is not a
> > food.
> > > > Your mind is being tricked. Now you are not eating according to the
> body
> > > > need; you are eating just to taste it. The tongue has become the
> > > controller.
> > > >
> > > > The tongue should not be the controller. It does not know anything
> about
> > > the
> > > > stomach. It does not know anything about the body. The tongue has a
> > > specific
> > > > purpose to fulfill: to taste food. Naturally, the tongue has to jud=
ge,
> > > that
> > > > is the only thing, which food is for the body, for my body and which
> > food
> > > is
> > > > not for my body. It is just a watchman on the door; it is not the
> > master,
> > > > and if the watchman on the door becomes the master, then everything
> will
> > > be
> > > > confused.
> > > >
> > > > Now advertisers know well that the tongue can be tricked, the nose =
can
> > be
> > > > tricked. And they are not the masters. You may not be aware: much f=
ood
> > > > research goes on in the world, and they say if your nose is closed
> > > > completely, and your eyes closed, and then you are given an onion to
> > eat,
> > > > you cannot tell what you are eating. You cannot tell onion from app=
le
> if
> > > the
> > > > nose is closed completely because half of the taste comes from the
> > smell,
> > > is
> > > > decided by the nose, and half is decided by the tongue. These two h=
ave
> > > > become the controllers. Now they know: whether ice cream is nutriti=
ous
> > or
> > > > not is not the point. It can carry a flavor, it can carry some
> chemicals
> > > > which fulfill the tongue but are not needed for the body.
> > > >
> > > > Man is confused, more confused than buffaloes. You cannot convince
> > > buffaloes
> > > > to eat ice cream. Try!
> > > >
> > > > A natural food...and when I say natural I mean that which your body
> > needs.
> > > > The need of a tiger is different; he has to be very violent. If you
> eat
> > > the
> > > > meat of a tiger you will be violent, but where will your violence be
> > > > expressed? You have to live in human society, not in a jungle. Then
> you
> > > will
> > > > have to suppress the violence. Then a vicious circle starts.
> > > >
> > > > When you suppress violence, what happens? When you feel angry,
> violent,
> > a
> > > > certain poisonous energy is released, because that poison creates a
> > > > situation where you can be really violent and kill somebody. The
> energy
> > > > moves towards your hands; the energy moves towards your teeth. These
> are
> > > the
> > > > two places from where animals become violent. Man is part of the
> animal
> > > > kingdom.
> > > >
> > > > When you are angry, energy is released - it comes to the hands and =
to
> > the
> > > > teeth, to the jaw - but you live in a human society and it is not
> always
> > > > profitable to be angry. You live in a civilized world and you cannot
> > > behave
> > > > like an animal. If you behave like an animal, you will have to pay =
too
> > > much
> > > > for it - and you are not ready to pay that much. Then what do you d=
o?
> > You
> > > > suppress the anger in the hand; you suppress the anger in your teet=
h -
> > you
> > > > go on smiling a false smile, and your teeth go on accumulating ange=
r=2E
> > > >
> > > > I have rarely come to see people with a natural jaw. It is not
> natural -
> > > > blocked, stiff - because there is too much anger. If you press the =
jaw
> > of
> > > a
> > > > person, the anger can be released. Hands become ugly. They lose gra=
ce,
> > > they
> > > > lose flexibility, because too much anger is suppressed there. People
> who
> > > > have been working on deep massage, they have come to know that when
> you
> > > > touch the hands deeply, massage the hands, the person starts becomi=
ng
> > > angry.
> > > > There is no reason. You are massaging the man and suddenly he starts
> > > feeling
> > > > angry. If you press the jaw, persons become angry again. They carry
> > > > accumulated anger. These are the impurities in the body: they have =
to
> be
> > > > released. If you don't release them the body will remain heavy.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Yoga: The Alpha and Omega
> > > >
> > > > To read more on this subject, go to Library
> > > >
> > > > Copyright =A9 2004 Osho International Foundation
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> >
> > http://www.osho.com/Main.cfm?Area=3DMagazine&Language=3D English
> >
> >
> >
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| Re: why we should all turn vegetarian [message #227842 ] |
Do, 20 Juli 2006 20:42 |
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I did respect freedom of religion but I totally disagree with your
vegetarian or anti-meat eating claim. Base on scientific prove, human
is no an vegetarian creature.
1) Children can not grow without eating meat. (unless they can consume
a few hundred kilograms of vegetable a day to get enough nutrien for
growth, which can be achieved by a few pieces of meat)
2) Adult can not survive healthly more than 5 years without acquire
enough vitamin B12 which only available from meat. (scientist have not
found a way to produce B12 using non-animal source)
3) Elderly people (especially woman) may difficulty to control her high
cholestro problem by not eating enough fish.
Of course, over eating meat is not good for health. But that does not
mean we should not take meat at all. A well BALANCE eating habit is
good/healthy lifestyle for everyone.
(A healthy meal should consist of Rice/bread/potato (50%), vegetable
(25%), meat/fish/chicken (25%) and fruit for after meal.)
Please take note: Eating Bak Kut Teh (Malaysian Pork and bone herbal
soup with Chinese Tea) or New York T-bone steak twice a week is not a
healthy lifestyle.
I am not a dietitian but my wife certainly is a US certified/registered
dietitian. That was what she always remind me.
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| Re: why we should all turn vegetarian [message #227856 ] |
Fr, 21 Juli 2006 00:32 |
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khlaw [at] time.net.my wrote:
> I did respect freedom of religion but I totally disagree with your
> vegetarian or anti-meat eating claim. Base on scientific prove, human
> is no an vegetarian creature.
>
> 1) Children can not grow without eating meat. (unless they can consume
> a few hundred kilograms of vegetable a day to get enough nutrien for
> growth, which can be achieved by a few pieces of meat)
>
>
> 2) Adult can not survive healthly more than 5 years without acquire
> enough vitamin B12 which only available from meat. (scientist have not
>
> found a way to produce B12 using non-animal source)
>
>
> 3) Elderly people (especially woman) may difficulty to control her high
>
> cholestro problem by not eating enough fish.
>
>
> Of course, over eating meat is not good for health. But that does not
> mean we should not take meat at all. A well BALANCE eating habit is
> good/healthy lifestyle for everyone.
> (A healthy meal should consist of Rice/bread/potato (50%),
I haven't had rice/bread/potato for years and I'm still alive.
> vegetable
> (25%), meat/fish/chicken (25%) and fruit for after meal.)
>
>
> Please take note: Eating Bak Kut Teh (Malaysian Pork and bone herbal
> soup with Chinese Tea) or New York T-bone steak twice a week is not a
> healthy lifestyle.
>
> I am not a dietitian but my wife certainly is a US certified/registered
>
> dietitian. That was what she always remind me.
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| Re: why we should all turn vegetarian [message #227991 ] |
Fr, 21 Juli 2006 08:18 |
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Rice/bread/potato is just some example. The actual scentific
classification should be carbohydrate.
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| Re: why we should all turn vegetarian [message #227995 ] |
Fr, 21 Juli 2006 08:33 |
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Rice/bread/potato are just a few example of carbohydrate. Human can
survive without carbohydrate; just like Eskimo, their
animal/meat/fish/fat is their main diet.
Anywhere, no human being can survive without eating meat/fish in long
run (more than 5 years), as the body run out of stored vitamin, fatty
acid, trace mineral which only source is animal meat. Of course, human
won't die immediately after 5 years of total non-meat diet but the
vital organ start deteriorate. Thus, decide for yourself if you want
to be any vegetarian. But the hard fact for a vegetarian diet are
Unhealthy and unsustainable.
Here are some additional fact:
Most of the longetivity people is living in Japan with heavy fish
diet/consumption. and most of the shortest life span human is living
in India with vegetarian diet.
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