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Culture & Politics » soc.culture.china » Zen - Sex - Health
| Zen - Sex - Health [message #223742] |
Mi, 12 Juli 2006 18:37 |
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Zen has no belief-system about anything, and that includes sex
too - Zen says nothing about it. And that should be the ultimate thing.
Tantra has an attitude about sex. The reason? - it tries to redress what the
society has done. Tantra is medical. The society has repressed sex; Tantra
comes as a remedy to help you redress balance. You have leaned too much to
the left; Tantra comes and helps you to lean to the right. And to redress
the balance sometimes you have to lean too much to the right, only then the
balance is gained.
Have you not seen a rope walker, a tightrope walker? He carries a
staff in his hand to keep balance. If he feels he is leaning too much to the
left, he immediately starts leaning to the right. Then again he feels that
now he has leaned too much to the right, he starts leaning towards the left.
This is how he keeps in the middle.
Tantra is a remedy.
The society has created a repressive mind, a life-negative mind, an
anti-joy mind. The society is very much against sex. Why is the society so
much against sex? - because if you allow people sexual pleasure, you cannot
transform them into slaves. It is impossible - a joyous person cannot be
made a slave. That is the trick. Only sad people can be turned into slaves.
A joyous person is a free person; he has a kind of independence to him.
You cannot recruit joyous people for war. Impossible. Why should they
go to war? But if a person has repressed his sexuality he is ready to go to
war, he is eager to go to war, because he has not been able to enjoy life.
He has become incapable of enjoying, hence has become incapable of
creativity. Now he can do only one thing - he can destroy. All his energies
have become poison and destructive. He is ready to go to war - not only
ready, he is hankering for it. He wants to kill, he wants to destroy.
In fact, while destroying human beings he will have a vicarious joy of
penetrating. That penetrating could have been in love and would have been
beautiful. When you penetrate a woman's body in love, it is one thing. It is
spiritual. But when things go wrong and you penetrate somebody's body with a
sword, with a spear, it is ugly, it is violent, it is destructive. But you
are searching for a substitute for penetration.
If society is allowed total freedom about joy, nobody will be
destructive.
People who can love beautifully are never destructive. And people who
can love beautifully and have the joy of life will not be competitive
either. These are the problems.
That's why primitive people are not so competitive. They are enjoying
their life. Who bothers to have a bigger house? Who bothers to have a bigger
balance in the bank? For what? You are happy with your woman and with your
man and you are having a dance of life. Who wants to sit in the marketplace
for hours and hours and hours, day in, day out, year in, year out, hoping
that in the end you will have a big bank balance and then you will retire
and enjoy? That day never comes. It can't come, because the whole life you
remain an ascetic.
Remember, the business people are ascetic people. They have devoted
everything to money.
Now a man who knows love and has known the thrill of love and the
ecstasy of it will not be competitive.
He will be happy if he can get his daily bread. That is the meaning of
Jesus' prayer: "Give us our daily bread." That is more than enough. Now
Jesus looks foolish. He should have asked, "Give us a bigger bank balance."
He asks only for the daily bread? A joyous man never asks for more than
that. The joy is so fulfilling.
It is only unfulfilled beings who are competitive, because they think
life is not here, it is there. "I have to reach to Delhi and become the
president," or to the White House and become this or that. "I have to go
there, joy is there" - because they know here there is no joy. So they are
always on the go, go, go, go. They are always on the go, and they never
reach. And the man who knows the joy, is here. Why should he be going to
Delhi? For what? He is utterly happy herenow. His needs are very small. He
has no desires. He has needs certainly, but no desires. Needs can be
fulfilled, desires never. Needs are natural, desires are perverted.
Now this whole society depends on one thing and that is sex
repression. Otherwise the economy will be destroyed, sabotaged. War will
disappear and with it the whole war machinery, and the politics will become
meaningless and the politician will no longer be important. Money will not
have value if people are allowed to love. Because they are not allowed to
love, money becomes the substitute, money becomes their love. So there is a
subtle strategy.
Sex has to be repressed, otherwise this whole structure of the society
will fall immediately.
Only love released into the world will bring revolution. Communism has
failed, fascism has failed, capitalism has failed. All 'isms' have failed
because deep down they are all sex repressive. On that point there is no
difference - no difference between Washington and Moscow, Beijing and
Delhi - there is no difference at all. They all agree upon one thing - that
sex has to be controlled, that people are not to be allowed to have innocent
joy in sex.
To redress the balance comes Tantra; Tantra is a remedy. So it
emphasizes sex too much. The so-called religions say sex is sin and Tantra
says sex is the only sacred phenomenon. Tantra is a remedy. Zen is not a
remedy. Zen is the state when the illness has disappeared; and of course,
with the illness, the remedy too. Once you are cured of your illness you
don't
go on carrying the prescription and the bottle and the medicine with you.
You throw it. It goes to the dustbin.
Ordinary society is against sex; Tantra comes to help humanity, to
give sex back to humanity. And when the sex has been given back, then arises
Zen. Zen has no attitude.
Zen is pure health.
The Diamond Sutra, #2
To read more on this subject, go to Library
Copyright © 2006 Osho International Foundation
http://www.osho.com/Main.cfm?Area=Magazine&Language=Engl ish
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| test Re: Zen - Sex - Health [message #223747 ] |
Mi, 12 Juli 2006 11:53 |
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..=2E.
dd wrote:
> Zen has no belief-system about anything, and that includes sex
> too - Zen says nothing about it. And that should be the ultimate thing.
> Tantra has an attitude about sex. The reason? - it tries to redress what =
the
> society has done. Tantra is medical. The society has repressed sex; Tantra
> comes as a remedy to help you redress balance. You have leaned too much to
> the left; Tantra comes and helps you to lean to the right. And to redress
> the balance sometimes you have to lean too much to the right, only then t=
he
> balance is gained.
>
> Have you not seen a rope walker, a tightrope walker? He carries a
> staff in his hand to keep balance. If he feels he is leaning too much to =
the
> left, he immediately starts leaning to the right. Then again he feels that
> now he has leaned too much to the right, he starts leaning towards the le=
ft.
> This is how he keeps in the middle.
>
>
>
> Tantra is a remedy.
>
>
> The society has created a repressive mind, a life-negative mind, an
> anti-joy mind. The society is very much against sex. Why is the society so
> much against sex? - because if you allow people sexual pleasure, you cann=
ot
> transform them into slaves. It is impossible - a joyous person cannot be
> made a slave. That is the trick. Only sad people can be turned into slave=
s=2E
> A joyous person is a free person; he has a kind of independence to him.
>
> You cannot recruit joyous people for war. Impossible. Why should they
> go to war? But if a person has repressed his sexuality he is ready to go =
to
> war, he is eager to go to war, because he has not been able to enjoy life.
> He has become incapable of enjoying, hence has become incapable of
> creativity. Now he can do only one thing - he can destroy. All his energi=
es
> have become poison and destructive. He is ready to go to war - not only
> ready, he is hankering for it. He wants to kill, he wants to destroy.
>
> In fact, while destroying human beings he will have a vicarious joy of
> penetrating. That penetrating could have been in love and would have been
> beautiful. When you penetrate a woman's body in love, it is one thing. It=
is
> spiritual. But when things go wrong and you penetrate somebody's body wit=
h a
> sword, with a spear, it is ugly, it is violent, it is destructive. But you
> are searching for a substitute for penetration.
>
>
> If society is allowed total freedom about joy, nobody will be
> destructive.
>
>
> People who can love beautifully are never destructive. And people who
> can love beautifully and have the joy of life will not be competitive
> either. These are the problems.
>
> That's why primitive people are not so competitive. They are enjoying
> their life. Who bothers to have a bigger house? Who bothers to have a big=
ger
> balance in the bank? For what? You are happy with your woman and with your
> man and you are having a dance of life. Who wants to sit in the marketpla=
ce
> for hours and hours and hours, day in, day out, year in, year out, hoping
> that in the end you will have a big bank balance and then you will retire
> and enjoy? That day never comes. It can't come, because the whole life you
> remain an ascetic.
>
> Remember, the business people are ascetic people. They have devoted
> everything to money.
>
>
> Now a man who knows love and has known the thrill of love and the
> ecstasy of it will not be competitive.
>
>
> He will be happy if he can get his daily bread. That is the meaning of
> Jesus' prayer: "Give us our daily bread." That is more than enough. Now
> Jesus looks foolish. He should have asked, "Give us a bigger bank balance=
.."
> He asks only for the daily bread? A joyous man never asks for more than
> that. The joy is so fulfilling.
>
> It is only unfulfilled beings who are competitive, because they think
> life is not here, it is there. "I have to reach to Delhi and become the
> president," or to the White House and become this or that. "I have to go
> there, joy is there" - because they know here there is no joy. So they are
> always on the go, go, go, go. They are always on the go, and they never
> reach. And the man who knows the joy, is here. Why should he be going to
> Delhi? For what? He is utterly happy herenow. His needs are very small. He
> has no desires. He has needs certainly, but no desires. Needs can be
> fulfilled, desires never. Needs are natural, desires are perverted.
>
> Now this whole society depends on one thing and that is sex
> repression. Otherwise the economy will be destroyed, sabotaged. War will
> disappear and with it the whole war machinery, and the politics will beco=
me
> meaningless and the politician will no longer be important. Money will not
> have value if people are allowed to love. Because they are not allowed to
> love, money becomes the substitute, money becomes their love. So there is=
a
> subtle strategy.
>
>
> Sex has to be repressed, otherwise this whole structure of the society
> will fall immediately.
>
>
> Only love released into the world will bring revolution. Communism has
> failed, fascism has failed, capitalism has failed. All 'isms' have failed
> because deep down they are all sex repressive. On that point there is no
> difference - no difference between Washington and Moscow, Beijing and
> Delhi - there is no difference at all. They all agree upon one thing - th=
at
> sex has to be controlled, that people are not to be allowed to have innoc=
ent
> joy in sex.
>
> To redress the balance comes Tantra; Tantra is a remedy. So it
> emphasizes sex too much. The so-called religions say sex is sin and Tantra
> says sex is the only sacred phenomenon. Tantra is a remedy. Zen is not a
> remedy. Zen is the state when the illness has disappeared; and of course,
> with the illness, the remedy too. Once you are cured of your illness you
> don't
> go on carrying the prescription and the bottle and the medicine with you.
> You throw it. It goes to the dustbin.
>
> Ordinary society is against sex; Tantra comes to help humanity, to
> give sex back to humanity. And when the sex has been given back, then ari=
ses
> Zen. Zen has no attitude.
>
>
> Zen is pure health.
>
>
> The Diamond Sutra, #2
>
> To read more on this subject, go to Library
>
>
> Copyright =A9 2006 Osho International Foundation
> http://www.osho.com/Main.cfm?Area=3DMagazine&Language=3D English
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| Re: Zen - Sex - Health [message #224999 ] |
Fr, 14 Juli 2006 02:58 |
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What you've said here is nothing new.
Can you explain in simple language what
you meant by--- "Zen has no attitude"
Please be concise.
"dd" <dd [at] d.com> wrote in message news:44b4c441$5 [at] news.starhub.net.sg...
> Zen has no belief-system about anything, and that includes sex
> too - Zen says nothing about it. And that should be the ultimate thing.
> Tantra has an attitude about sex. The reason? - it tries to redress what
> the
> society has done. Tantra is medical. The society has repressed sex; Tantra
> comes as a remedy to help you redress balance. You have leaned too much to
> the left; Tantra comes and helps you to lean to the right. And to redress
> the balance sometimes you have to lean too much to the right, only then
> the
> balance is gained.
>
> Have you not seen a rope walker, a tightrope walker? He carries a
> staff in his hand to keep balance. If he feels he is leaning too much to
> the
> left, he immediately starts leaning to the right. Then again he feels that
> now he has leaned too much to the right, he starts leaning towards the
> left.
> This is how he keeps in the middle.
>
>
>
> Tantra is a remedy.
>
>
> The society has created a repressive mind, a life-negative mind, an
> anti-joy mind. The society is very much against sex. Why is the society so
> much against sex? - because if you allow people sexual pleasure, you
> cannot
> transform them into slaves. It is impossible - a joyous person cannot be
> made a slave. That is the trick. Only sad people can be turned into
> slaves.
> A joyous person is a free person; he has a kind of independence to him.
>
> You cannot recruit joyous people for war. Impossible. Why should they
> go to war? But if a person has repressed his sexuality he is ready to go
> to
> war, he is eager to go to war, because he has not been able to enjoy life.
> He has become incapable of enjoying, hence has become incapable of
> creativity. Now he can do only one thing - he can destroy. All his
> energies
> have become poison and destructive. He is ready to go to war - not only
> ready, he is hankering for it. He wants to kill, he wants to destroy.
>
> In fact, while destroying human beings he will have a vicarious joy of
> penetrating. That penetrating could have been in love and would have been
> beautiful. When you penetrate a woman's body in love, it is one thing. It
> is
> spiritual. But when things go wrong and you penetrate somebody's body with
> a
> sword, with a spear, it is ugly, it is violent, it is destructive. But you
> are searching for a substitute for penetration.
>
>
> If society is allowed total freedom about joy, nobody will be
> destructive.
>
>
> People who can love beautifully are never destructive. And people who
> can love beautifully and have the joy of life will not be competitive
> either. These are the problems.
>
> That's why primitive people are not so competitive. They are enjoying
> their life. Who bothers to have a bigger house? Who bothers to have a
> bigger
> balance in the bank? For what? You are happy with your woman and with your
> man and you are having a dance of life. Who wants to sit in the
> marketplace
> for hours and hours and hours, day in, day out, year in, year out, hoping
> that in the end you will have a big bank balance and then you will retire
> and enjoy? That day never comes. It can't come, because the whole life you
> remain an ascetic.
>
> Remember, the business people are ascetic people. They have devoted
> everything to money.
>
>
> Now a man who knows love and has known the thrill of love and the
> ecstasy of it will not be competitive.
>
>
> He will be happy if he can get his daily bread. That is the meaning of
> Jesus' prayer: "Give us our daily bread." That is more than enough. Now
> Jesus looks foolish. He should have asked, "Give us a bigger bank
> balance."
> He asks only for the daily bread? A joyous man never asks for more than
> that. The joy is so fulfilling.
>
> It is only unfulfilled beings who are competitive, because they think
> life is not here, it is there. "I have to reach to Delhi and become the
> president," or to the White House and become this or that. "I have to go
> there, joy is there" - because they know here there is no joy. So they are
> always on the go, go, go, go. They are always on the go, and they never
> reach. And the man who knows the joy, is here. Why should he be going to
> Delhi? For what? He is utterly happy herenow. His needs are very small. He
> has no desires. He has needs certainly, but no desires. Needs can be
> fulfilled, desires never. Needs are natural, desires are perverted.
>
> Now this whole society depends on one thing and that is sex
> repression. Otherwise the economy will be destroyed, sabotaged. War will
> disappear and with it the whole war machinery, and the politics will
> become
> meaningless and the politician will no longer be important. Money will not
> have value if people are allowed to love. Because they are not allowed to
> love, money becomes the substitute, money becomes their love. So there is
> a
> subtle strategy.
>
>
> Sex has to be repressed, otherwise this whole structure of the society
> will fall immediately.
>
>
> Only love released into the world will bring revolution. Communism has
> failed, fascism has failed, capitalism has failed. All 'isms' have failed
> because deep down they are all sex repressive. On that point there is no
> difference - no difference between Washington and Moscow, Beijing and
> Delhi - there is no difference at all. They all agree upon one thing -
> that
> sex has to be controlled, that people are not to be allowed to have
> innocent
> joy in sex.
>
> To redress the balance comes Tantra; Tantra is a remedy. So it
> emphasizes sex too much. The so-called religions say sex is sin and Tantra
> says sex is the only sacred phenomenon. Tantra is a remedy. Zen is not a
> remedy. Zen is the state when the illness has disappeared; and of course,
> with the illness, the remedy too. Once you are cured of your illness you
> don't
> go on carrying the prescription and the bottle and the medicine with you.
> You throw it. It goes to the dustbin.
>
> Ordinary society is against sex; Tantra comes to help humanity, to
> give sex back to humanity. And when the sex has been given back, then
> arises
> Zen. Zen has no attitude.
>
>
> Zen is pure health.
>
>
> The Diamond Sutra, #2
>
> To read more on this subject, go to Library
>
>
> Copyright © 2006 Osho International Foundation
> http://www.osho.com/Main.cfm?Area=Magazine&Language=Engl ish
>
>
>
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| Re: Zen - Sex - Health [message #225529 ] |
Sa, 15 Juli 2006 02:21 |
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"Zen has no attitude" - when you get head-butted on the football field, you
don't fall to the ground like a woman. You go to the guy and rub his chest
to ease your pain. Very simple indeed. But hard to do indeed.
"Bald eagle" <Baldeagle [at] yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:44b6ec2b$1 [at] news.starhub.net.sg...
> What you've said here is nothing new.
> Can you explain in simple language what
> you meant by--- "Zen has no attitude"
> Please be concise.
>
>
>
> "dd" <dd [at] d.com> wrote in message news:44b4c441$5 [at] news.starhub.net.sg...
> > Zen has no belief-system about anything, and that includes sex
> > too - Zen says nothing about it. And that should be the ultimate thing.
> > Tantra has an attitude about sex. The reason? - it tries to redress what
> > the
> > society has done. Tantra is medical. The society has repressed sex;
Tantra
> > comes as a remedy to help you redress balance. You have leaned too much
to
> > the left; Tantra comes and helps you to lean to the right. And to
redress
> > the balance sometimes you have to lean too much to the right, only then
> > the
> > balance is gained.
> >
> > Have you not seen a rope walker, a tightrope walker? He carries a
> > staff in his hand to keep balance. If he feels he is leaning too much to
> > the
> > left, he immediately starts leaning to the right. Then again he feels
that
> > now he has leaned too much to the right, he starts leaning towards the
> > left.
> > This is how he keeps in the middle.
> >
> >
> >
> > Tantra is a remedy.
> >
> >
> > The society has created a repressive mind, a life-negative mind, an
> > anti-joy mind. The society is very much against sex. Why is the society
so
> > much against sex? - because if you allow people sexual pleasure, you
> > cannot
> > transform them into slaves. It is impossible - a joyous person cannot be
> > made a slave. That is the trick. Only sad people can be turned into
> > slaves.
> > A joyous person is a free person; he has a kind of independence to him.
> >
> > You cannot recruit joyous people for war. Impossible. Why should they
> > go to war? But if a person has repressed his sexuality he is ready to go
> > to
> > war, he is eager to go to war, because he has not been able to enjoy
life.
> > He has become incapable of enjoying, hence has become incapable of
> > creativity. Now he can do only one thing - he can destroy. All his
> > energies
> > have become poison and destructive. He is ready to go to war - not only
> > ready, he is hankering for it. He wants to kill, he wants to destroy.
> >
> > In fact, while destroying human beings he will have a vicarious joy of
> > penetrating. That penetrating could have been in love and would have
been
> > beautiful. When you penetrate a woman's body in love, it is one thing.
It
> > is
> > spiritual. But when things go wrong and you penetrate somebody's body
with
> > a
> > sword, with a spear, it is ugly, it is violent, it is destructive. But
you
> > are searching for a substitute for penetration.
> >
> >
> > If society is allowed total freedom about joy, nobody will be
> > destructive.
> >
> >
> > People who can love beautifully are never destructive. And people who
> > can love beautifully and have the joy of life will not be competitive
> > either. These are the problems.
> >
> > That's why primitive people are not so competitive. They are enjoying
> > their life. Who bothers to have a bigger house? Who bothers to have a
> > bigger
> > balance in the bank? For what? You are happy with your woman and with
your
> > man and you are having a dance of life. Who wants to sit in the
> > marketplace
> > for hours and hours and hours, day in, day out, year in, year out,
hoping
> > that in the end you will have a big bank balance and then you will
retire
> > and enjoy? That day never comes. It can't come, because the whole life
you
> > remain an ascetic.
> >
> > Remember, the business people are ascetic people. They have devoted
> > everything to money.
> >
> >
> > Now a man who knows love and has known the thrill of love and the
> > ecstasy of it will not be competitive.
> >
> >
> > He will be happy if he can get his daily bread. That is the meaning of
> > Jesus' prayer: "Give us our daily bread." That is more than enough. Now
> > Jesus looks foolish. He should have asked, "Give us a bigger bank
> > balance."
> > He asks only for the daily bread? A joyous man never asks for more than
> > that. The joy is so fulfilling.
> >
> > It is only unfulfilled beings who are competitive, because they think
> > life is not here, it is there. "I have to reach to Delhi and become the
> > president," or to the White House and become this or that. "I have to go
> > there, joy is there" - because they know here there is no joy. So they
are
> > always on the go, go, go, go. They are always on the go, and they never
> > reach. And the man who knows the joy, is here. Why should he be going to
> > Delhi? For what? He is utterly happy herenow. His needs are very small.
He
> > has no desires. He has needs certainly, but no desires. Needs can be
> > fulfilled, desires never. Needs are natural, desires are perverted.
> >
> > Now this whole society depends on one thing and that is sex
> > repression. Otherwise the economy will be destroyed, sabotaged. War will
> > disappear and with it the whole war machinery, and the politics will
> > become
> > meaningless and the politician will no longer be important. Money will
not
> > have value if people are allowed to love. Because they are not allowed
to
> > love, money becomes the substitute, money becomes their love. So there
is
> > a
> > subtle strategy.
> >
> >
> > Sex has to be repressed, otherwise this whole structure of the society
> > will fall immediately.
> >
> >
> > Only love released into the world will bring revolution. Communism has
> > failed, fascism has failed, capitalism has failed. All 'isms' have
failed
> > because deep down they are all sex repressive. On that point there is no
> > difference - no difference between Washington and Moscow, Beijing and
> > Delhi - there is no difference at all. They all agree upon one thing -
> > that
> > sex has to be controlled, that people are not to be allowed to have
> > innocent
> > joy in sex.
> >
> > To redress the balance comes Tantra; Tantra is a remedy. So it
> > emphasizes sex too much. The so-called religions say sex is sin and
Tantra
> > says sex is the only sacred phenomenon. Tantra is a remedy. Zen is not a
> > remedy. Zen is the state when the illness has disappeared; and of
course,
> > with the illness, the remedy too. Once you are cured of your illness you
> > don't
> > go on carrying the prescription and the bottle and the medicine with
you.
> > You throw it. It goes to the dustbin.
> >
> > Ordinary society is against sex; Tantra comes to help humanity, to
> > give sex back to humanity. And when the sex has been given back, then
> > arises
> > Zen. Zen has no attitude.
> >
> >
> > Zen is pure health.
> >
> >
> > The Diamond Sutra, #2
> >
> > To read more on this subject, go to Library
> >
> >
> > Copyright © 2006 Osho International Foundation
> > http://www.osho.com/Main.cfm?Area=Magazine&Language=Engl ish
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Re: Zen - Sex - Health [message #225661 ] |
Mo, 17 Juli 2006 01:41 |
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Still do not understand.
Do you mean,...Zen has no arrogance or hostile
state of mind or disposition.
But Zen do believe in arrogance and hostility!
Example...A Zen master believe, if he rub the
aggressor's head or chest in return for a headbutt,
he might kill his aggressor.
A Zen master will not kill or hurt.
"Touche'" <Touche' [at] theeast.net> wrote in message
news:44ba13f8_2 [at] news.tm.net.my...
> "Zen has no attitude" - when you get head-butted on the football field,
> you
> don't fall to the ground like a woman. You go to the guy and rub his chest
> to ease your pain. Very simple indeed. But hard to do indeed.
>
> "Bald eagle" <Baldeagle [at] yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:44b6ec2b$1 [at] news.starhub.net.sg...
>> What you've said here is nothing new.
>> Can you explain in simple language what
>> you meant by--- "Zen has no attitude"
>> Please be concise.
>>
>>
>>
>> "dd" <dd [at] d.com> wrote in message news:44b4c441$5 [at] news.starhub.net.sg...
>> > Zen has no belief-system about anything, and that includes sex
>> > too - Zen says nothing about it. And that should be the ultimate thing.
>> > Tantra has an attitude about sex. The reason? - it tries to redress
>> > what
>> > the
>> > society has done. Tantra is medical. The society has repressed sex;
> Tantra
>> > comes as a remedy to help you redress balance. You have leaned too much
> to
>> > the left; Tantra comes and helps you to lean to the right. And to
> redress
>> > the balance sometimes you have to lean too much to the right, only then
>> > the
>> > balance is gained.
>> >
>> > Have you not seen a rope walker, a tightrope walker? He carries a
>> > staff in his hand to keep balance. If he feels he is leaning too much
>> > to
>> > the
>> > left, he immediately starts leaning to the right. Then again he feels
> that
>> > now he has leaned too much to the right, he starts leaning towards the
>> > left.
>> > This is how he keeps in the middle.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Tantra is a remedy.
>> >
>> >
>> > The society has created a repressive mind, a life-negative mind, an
>> > anti-joy mind. The society is very much against sex. Why is the society
> so
>> > much against sex? - because if you allow people sexual pleasure, you
>> > cannot
>> > transform them into slaves. It is impossible - a joyous person cannot
>> > be
>> > made a slave. That is the trick. Only sad people can be turned into
>> > slaves.
>> > A joyous person is a free person; he has a kind of independence to him.
>> >
>> > You cannot recruit joyous people for war. Impossible. Why should they
>> > go to war? But if a person has repressed his sexuality he is ready to
>> > go
>> > to
>> > war, he is eager to go to war, because he has not been able to enjoy
> life.
>> > He has become incapable of enjoying, hence has become incapable of
>> > creativity. Now he can do only one thing - he can destroy. All his
>> > energies
>> > have become poison and destructive. He is ready to go to war - not only
>> > ready, he is hankering for it. He wants to kill, he wants to destroy.
>> >
>> > In fact, while destroying human beings he will have a vicarious joy of
>> > penetrating. That penetrating could have been in love and would have
> been
>> > beautiful. When you penetrate a woman's body in love, it is one thing.
> It
>> > is
>> > spiritual. But when things go wrong and you penetrate somebody's body
> with
>> > a
>> > sword, with a spear, it is ugly, it is violent, it is destructive. But
> you
>> > are searching for a substitute for penetration.
>> >
>> >
>> > If society is allowed total freedom about joy, nobody will be
>> > destructive.
>> >
>> >
>> > People who can love beautifully are never destructive. And people who
>> > can love beautifully and have the joy of life will not be competitive
>> > either. These are the problems.
>> >
>> > That's why primitive people are not so competitive. They are enjoying
>> > their life. Who bothers to have a bigger house? Who bothers to have a
>> > bigger
>> > balance in the bank? For what? You are happy with your woman and with
> your
>> > man and you are having a dance of life. Who wants to sit in the
>> > marketplace
>> > for hours and hours and hours, day in, day out, year in, year out,
> hoping
>> > that in the end you will have a big bank balance and then you will
> retire
>> > and enjoy? That day never comes. It can't come, because the whole life
> you
>> > remain an ascetic.
>> >
>> > Remember, the business people are ascetic people. They have devoted
>> > everything to money.
>> >
>> >
>> > Now a man who knows love and has known the thrill of love and the
>> > ecstasy of it will not be competitive.
>> >
>> >
>> > He will be happy if he can get his daily bread. That is the meaning of
>> > Jesus' prayer: "Give us our daily bread." That is more than enough. Now
>> > Jesus looks foolish. He should have asked, "Give us a bigger bank
>> > balance."
>> > He asks only for the daily bread? A joyous man never asks for more than
>> > that. The joy is so fulfilling.
>> >
>> > It is only unfulfilled beings who are competitive, because they think
>> > life is not here, it is there. "I have to reach to Delhi and become the
>> > president," or to the White House and become this or that. "I have to
>> > go
>> > there, joy is there" - because they know here there is no joy. So they
> are
>> > always on the go, go, go, go. They are always on the go, and they never
>> > reach. And the man who knows the joy, is here. Why should he be going
>> > to
>> > Delhi? For what? He is utterly happy herenow. His needs are very small.
> He
>> > has no desires. He has needs certainly, but no desires. Needs can be
>> > fulfilled, desires never. Needs are natural, desires are perverted.
>> >
>> > Now this whole society depends on one thing and that is sex
>> > repression. Otherwise the economy will be destroyed, sabotaged. War
>> > will
>> > disappear and with it the whole war machinery, and the politics will
>> > become
>> > meaningless and the politician will no longer be important. Money will
> not
>> > have value if people are allowed to love. Because they are not allowed
> to
>> > love, money becomes the substitute, money becomes their love. So there
> is
>> > a
>> > subtle strategy.
>> >
>> >
>> > Sex has to be repressed, otherwise this whole structure of the society
>> > will fall immediately.
>> >
>> >
>> > Only love released into the world will bring revolution. Communism has
>> > failed, fascism has failed, capitalism has failed. All 'isms' have
> failed
>> > because deep down they are all sex repressive. On that point there is
>> > no
>> > difference - no difference between Washington and Moscow, Beijing and
>> > Delhi - there is no difference at all. They all agree upon one thing -
>> > that
>> > sex has to be controlled, that people are not to be allowed to have
>> > innocent
>> > joy in sex.
>> >
>> > To redress the balance comes Tantra; Tantra is a remedy. So it
>> > emphasizes sex too much. The so-called religions say sex is sin and
> Tantra
>> > says sex is the only sacred phenomenon. Tantra is a remedy. Zen is not
>> > a
>> > remedy. Zen is the state when the illness has disappeared; and of
> course,
>> > with the illness, the remedy too. Once you are cured of your illness
>> > you
>> > don't
>> > go on carrying the prescription and the bottle and the medicine with
> you.
>> > You throw it. It goes to the dustbin.
>> >
>> > Ordinary society is against sex; Tantra comes to help humanity, to
>> > give sex back to humanity. And when the sex has been given back, then
>> > arises
>> > Zen. Zen has no attitude.
>> >
>> >
>> > Zen is pure health.
>> >
>> >
>> > The Diamond Sutra, #2
>> >
>> > To read more on this subject, go to Library
>> >
>> >
>> > Copyright © 2006 Osho International Foundation
>> > http://www.osho.com/Main.cfm?Area=Magazine&Language=Engl ish
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
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