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Culture & Politics » soc.culture.china » Re: 大學生雖多中國人才卻匱乏
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Mi, 12 Juli 2006 13:36 |
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> http://www5.chinesenewsnet.com/MainNews/SinoNews/Mainland/20 06_7_10_14_35=
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That same McKinsey report ....
Was the basis of an article in a rescent issue of the Harvard
Business Review. In it, the issues of global outsourcing were
discussed at length. The authors used a set of criteria to de-
termine the size of "usable" global outsourcing workforce. It
pointed out that Philipine is actually ahead of the PRC in that
area.
Despite a disproportionally large population ....
Regard,
Albert K. Fung
Montecito/Santa Ysabel, California, USA.
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| Re: 憭批飛憭銝剖鈭箸餃曹 [message #224058 ] |
Mi, 12 Juli 2006 21:23 |
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Albert K. Fung wrote:
> =E7=99=BE=E5=8E=AD=E6=98=9F:
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> > http://www5.chinesenewsnet.com/MainNews/SinoNews/Mainland/20 06_7_10_14_=
35_23_189.html
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> That same McKinsey report ....
>
> Was the basis of an article in a rescent issue of the Harvard
> Business Review. In it, the issues of global outsourcing were
> discussed at length. The authors used a set of criteria to de-
> termine the size of "usable" global outsourcing workforce. It
> pointed out that Philipine is actually ahead of the PRC in that
> area.
>
> Despite a disproportionally large population ....
>
Does China train its college student solely for the prupose of
providing "usable outsourcing workforce"? Just imagine if and when
China (or Japan for that matter) becomes dominant in every aspect of
the market, the countires not producing a work force capable of
assimilating to the dominant cultures would also be deemed not very
usable either, regardless of the size of population.
Such narow minded interpretation and view of human resources.
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| Re: 憭批飛憭銝剖鈭箸餃曹 [message #224069 ] |
Mi, 12 Juli 2006 22:15 |
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> That same McKinsey report ....
>
> Was the basis of an article in a rescent issue of the Harvard
> Business Review. In it, the issues of global outsourcing were
> discussed at length. The authors used a set of criteria to de-
> termine the size of "usable" global outsourcing workforce. It
> pointed out that Philipine is actually ahead of the PRC in that
> area.
>
> Despite a disproportionally large population ....
yaofeng:
> Does China train its college student solely for the prupose of
> providing "usable outsourcing workforce"? Just imagine if and when
> China (or Japan for that matter) becomes dominant in every aspect of
> the market, the countires not producing a work force capable of
> assimilating to the dominant cultures would also be deemed not very
> usable either, regardless of the size of population.
>
> Such narow minded interpretation and view of human resources.
A most valid objection ....
The authors of the article in the Harvard Business Review
classified the employable labor pool of a country into two
categories. Age and university degree are the first cutoffs
to be in the group deemed "usable" for global outsourcing.
They must be between 20-35 and have a 4-year degree.
Beyond that they divide the pool into the technicalists and
the generalists. A common requirement for both was their
English proficiency. Technicalists are rated in accordance
with commonly accepted international standards in their
declared fields: engineering, computer, accounting, etc. On
the other hand, generalists are rated by their command of
general knowledge, initiative, leadership, etc. Based on the
results, they derived their conclusions.
Not many Chinese university graduates passed muster ....
Regards,
Albert K. Fung
Montecito/Santa Ysabel, California, USA.
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| Re: 憭批飛憭銝剖鈭箸餃曹 [message #224087 ] |
Mi, 12 Juli 2006 23:50 |
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Albert K. Fung wrote:
> > That same McKinsey report ....
> >
> > Was the basis of an article in a rescent issue of the Harvard
> > Business Review. In it, the issues of global outsourcing were
> > discussed at length. The authors used a set of criteria to de-
> > termine the size of "usable" global outsourcing workforce. It
> > pointed out that Philipine is actually ahead of the PRC in that
> > area.
> >
> > Despite a disproportionally large population ....
>
> yaofeng:
>
> > Does China train its college student solely for the prupose of
> > providing "usable outsourcing workforce"? Just imagine if and when
> > China (or Japan for that matter) becomes dominant in every aspect of
> > the market, the countires not producing a work force capable of
> > assimilating to the dominant cultures would also be deemed not very
> > usable either, regardless of the size of population.
> >
> > Such narow minded interpretation and view of human resources.
>
> A most valid objection ....
>
> The authors of the article in the Harvard Business Review
> classified the employable labor pool of a country into two
> categories. Age and university degree are the first cutoffs
> to be in the group deemed "usable" for global outsourcing.
>
> They must be between 20-35 and have a 4-year degree.
>
> Beyond that they divide the pool into the technicalists and
> the generalists. A common requirement for both was their
> English proficiency. Technicalists are rated in accordance
> with commonly accepted international standards in their
> declared fields: engineering, computer, accounting, etc. On
> the other hand, generalists are rated by their command of
> general knowledge, initiative, leadership, etc. Based on the
> results, they derived their conclusions.
>
> Not many Chinese university graduates passed muster ....
This kind of "reports" should be taken with a large grain of salt.
If the conclusion is talents are readiy available, who will want to pay
for the expertise of internal and/or extarnal human resource "experts"?
The report has wester MNE as the target audience. The unspoken message
is "Talents are limited unless you get the right human resource
experts."
>
> Regards,
>
> Albert K. Fung
> Montecito/Santa Ysabel, California, USA.
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| Re: 憭批飛憭銝剖鈭箸餃曹 [message #224178 ] |
Do, 13 Juli 2006 09:23 |
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no matter talent or learnt, PRC don't have the vacany for them.
every staudent is craving for foreign econoumic invaders' jobs !!!!
ltlee1 wrote:
> Albert K. Fung wrote:
>
>>>That same McKinsey report ....
>>>
>>>Was the basis of an article in a rescent issue of the Harvard
>>>Business Review. In it, the issues of global outsourcing were
>>>discussed at length. The authors used a set of criteria to de-
>>>termine the size of "usable" global outsourcing workforce. It
>>>pointed out that Philipine is actually ahead of the PRC in that
>>>area.
>>>
>>>Despite a disproportionally large population ....
>>
>>yaofeng:
>>
>>
>>>Does China train its college student solely for the prupose of
>>>providing "usable outsourcing workforce"? Just imagine if and when
>>>China (or Japan for that matter) becomes dominant in every aspect of
>>>the market, the countires not producing a work force capable of
>>>assimilating to the dominant cultures would also be deemed not very
>>>usable either, regardless of the size of population.
>>>
>>>Such narow minded interpretation and view of human resources.
>>
>>A most valid objection ....
>>
>>The authors of the article in the Harvard Business Review
>>classified the employable labor pool of a country into two
>>categories. Age and university degree are the first cutoffs
>>to be in the group deemed "usable" for global outsourcing.
>>
>>They must be between 20-35 and have a 4-year degree.
>>
>>Beyond that they divide the pool into the technicalists and
>>the generalists. A common requirement for both was their
>>English proficiency. Technicalists are rated in accordance
>>with commonly accepted international standards in their
>>declared fields: engineering, computer, accounting, etc. On
>>the other hand, generalists are rated by their command of
>>general knowledge, initiative, leadership, etc. Based on the
>>results, they derived their conclusions.
>>
>>Not many Chinese university graduates passed muster ....
>
>
> This kind of "reports" should be taken with a large grain of salt.
> If the conclusion is talents are readiy available, who will want to pay
> for the expertise of internal and/or extarnal human resource "experts"?
> The report has wester MNE as the target audience. The unspoken message
> is "Talents are limited unless you get the right human resource
> experts."
>
>
>>Regards,
>>
>>Albert K. Fung
>>Montecito/Santa Ysabel, California, USA.
>
>
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| Re: 憭批飛憭銝剖鈭箸餃曹 [message #224806 ] |
Do, 13 Juli 2006 13:46 |
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ltlee:
> This kind of "reports" should be taken with a large grain of salt.
> If the conclusion is talents are readiy available, who will want to pay
> for the expertise of internal and/or extarnal human resource "experts"?
> The report has wester MNE as the target audience. The unspoken message
> is "Talents are limited unless you get the right human resource
> experts."
All reports ....
Have target audience and agenda. Therefore, no report should be
taken without any salt. Some are worse, such as reports from the
PRC government. Others are a bit better, such as consulting firms
for MNE's.
Their message: Global talent supply is plentiful and will be better.
In the next decade, supply will outstrip demand, due to accessibility
provided by improving infrastructures. Employers, therefore, should
be more selective and not rush the process. Hot spots like BJ and SH
of the PRC are inflated, India's Bengalore is no longer reasonable. All
are to be avoided. The report urged its clients to examine some new
commers. They are every bit as good, talent wise.
But have superior cost structure ....
Regards,
Albert K. Fung
Montecito/Santa Ysabel, California, USA.
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| Information or junk mial. Re: 憭批飛憭銝剖鈭箸餃曹 [message #224910 ] |
Do, 13 Juli 2006 19:52 |
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Albert K. Fung wrote:
> ltlee:
>
> > This kind of "reports" should be taken with a large grain of salt.
> > If the conclusion is talents are readiy available, who will want to pay
> > for the expertise of internal and/or extarnal human resource "experts"?
> > The report has wester MNE as the target audience. The unspoken message
> > is "Talents are limited unless you get the right human resource
> > experts."
>
> All reports ....
>
> Have target audience and agenda. Therefore, no report should be
> taken without any salt. Some are worse, such as reports from the
> PRC government. Others are a bit better, such as consulting firms
> for MNE's.
Commenting on American press, Christopher Lasch wrote in his lat book
"THE REVOLT OF THE ELITES AND THE BETRAYAL OF DEMOCRACY" the following:
"Much of the press, in its eagerness to inform the public, has become a
conduit for the equivalent of junk mail."
>
> Their message: Global talent supply is plentiful and will be better.
>
> In the next decade, supply will outstrip demand, due to accessibility
> provided by improving infrastructures. Employers, therefore, should
> be more selective and not rush the process. Hot spots like BJ and SH
> of the PRC are inflated, India's Bengalore is no longer reasonable. All
> are to be avoided. The report urged its clients to examine some new
> commers. They are every bit as good, talent wise.
>
> But have superior cost structure ....
>
> Regards,
>
> Albert K. Fung
> Montecito/Santa Ysabel, California, USA.
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| Re: Information or junk mial. Re: 憭批飛憭銝剖鈭箸餃曹 [message #224915 ] |
Do, 13 Juli 2006 20:14 |
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ltlee:
> Commenting on American press, Christopher Lasch wrote in his lat book
> "THE REVOLT OF THE ELITES AND THE BETRAYAL OF DEMOCRACY" the following:
>
> "Much of the press, in its eagerness to inform the public, has become a
> conduit for the equivalent of junk mail."
Clearly, the gentleman has an admirable elitist proclivity for head-
in-the-sand .... :)
Regards,
Albert K. Fung
Montecito/Santa Ysabel, California, USA.
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| Re: Information or junk mial. Re: 憭批飛憭銝剖鈭箸餃曹 [message #224934 ] |
Do, 13 Juli 2006 22:49 |
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ltlee1 wrote:
> Albert K. Fung wrote:
> > ltlee:
> >
> > > This kind of "reports" should be taken with a large grain of salt.
> > > If the conclusion is talents are readiy available, who will want to pay
> > > for the expertise of internal and/or extarnal human resource "experts"?
> > > The report has wester MNE as the target audience. The unspoken message
> > > is "Talents are limited unless you get the right human resource
> > > experts."
> >
> > All reports ....
> >
> > Have target audience and agenda. Therefore, no report should be
> > taken without any salt. Some are worse, such as reports from the
> > PRC government. Others are a bit better, such as consulting firms
> > for MNE's.
>
> Commenting on American press, Christopher Lasch wrote in his lat book
> "THE REVOLT OF THE ELITES AND THE BETRAYAL OF DEMOCRACY" the following:
>
> "Much of the press, in its eagerness to inform the public, has become a
> conduit for the equivalent of junk mail."
And Harold P. Dorkmunder, in his book "Idiots and Usenet," wrote:
"When one has little to say, but knows how to spew propaganda, Usenet
newsgroups can be interesting places to try to convince anonymous
others of things that aren't remotely true, but can be made to seem
true to the weak-minded if one keeps at it like the Energizer bunny."
> > Their message: Global talent supply is plentiful and will be better.
> >
> > In the next decade, supply will outstrip demand, due to accessibility
> > provided by improving infrastructures. Employers, therefore, should
> > be more selective and not rush the process. Hot spots like BJ and SH
> > of the PRC are inflated, India's Bengalore is no longer reasonable. All
> > are to be avoided. The report urged its clients to examine some new
> > commers. They are every bit as good, talent wise.
> >
> > But have superior cost structure ....
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Albert K. Fung
> > Montecito/Santa Ysabel, California, USA.
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| Re: Information or junk mial. Re: 憭批飛憭銝剖鈭箸餃曹 [message #224936 ] |
Do, 13 Juli 2006 22:52 |
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Albert K. Fung wrote:
> ltlee:
>
> > Commenting on American press, Christopher Lasch wrote in his lat book
> > "THE REVOLT OF THE ELITES AND THE BETRAYAL OF DEMOCRACY" the following:
> >
> > "Much of the press, in its eagerness to inform the public, has become a
> > conduit for the equivalent of junk mail."
>
> Clearly, the gentleman has an admirable elitist proclivity for head-
> in-the-sand .... :)
I wonder if the gentleman considers his own output to be part of the
"junk mail".
I wonder if the gentleman would accept LT's never-far-from-the surface
implication that a government-censored press is superior to a free
press.
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| Re: Information or junk mial. Re: 憭批飛憭銝剖鈭箸餃曹 [message #224946 ] |
Fr, 14 Juli 2006 00:16 |
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Albert K. Fung wrote:
> ltlee:
>
> > Commenting on American press, Christopher Lasch wrote in his lat book
> > "THE REVOLT OF THE ELITES AND THE BETRAYAL OF DEMOCRACY" the following:
> >
> > "Much of the press, in its eagerness to inform the public, has become a
> > conduit for the equivalent of junk mail."
>
> Clearly, the gentleman has an admirable elitist proclivity for head-
> in-the-sand .... :)
I don't think so.
On the contrary, he tended to champion the cause of lower-middle class
and accused the new left turning away from the common people.
The above quote was taken from Chapter 9, "The Lost Art of Argument."
A review of the book can be found from the following link:
http://www.scottlondon.com/reviews/lasch.html
>
> Regards,
>
> Albert K. Fung
> Montecito/Santa Ysabel, California, USA.
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| Re: Information or junk mial. Re: 憭批飛憭銝剖鈭箸餃曹 [message #224962 ] |
Fr, 14 Juli 2006 00:44 |
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ltlee1 is in job to denounce every post as junk if not to his master's
favour !!!!!
Albert K. Fung wrote:
> ltlee:
>
>
>>Commenting on American press, Christopher Lasch wrote in his lat book
>>"THE REVOLT OF THE ELITES AND THE BETRAYAL OF DEMOCRACY" the following:
>>
>>"Much of the press, in its eagerness to inform the public, has become a
>>conduit for the equivalent of junk mail."
>
>
> Clearly, the gentleman has an admirable elitist proclivity for head-
> in-the-sand .... :)
>
> Regards,
>
> Albert K. Fung
> Montecito/Santa Ysabel, California, USA.
>
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| Re: Information or junk mial. Re: 憭批飛憭銝剖鈭箸餃曹 [message #224963 ] |
Fr, 14 Juli 2006 00:45 |
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of course superior !!!
superior for the corrupt officials !!!!
bmoore [at] nyx.net wrote:
> Albert K. Fung wrote:
>
>>ltlee:
>>
>>
>>>Commenting on American press, Christopher Lasch wrote in his lat book
>>>"THE REVOLT OF THE ELITES AND THE BETRAYAL OF DEMOCRACY" the following:
>>>
>>>"Much of the press, in its eagerness to inform the public, has become a
>>>conduit for the equivalent of junk mail."
>>
>>Clearly, the gentleman has an admirable elitist proclivity for head-
>>in-the-sand .... :)
>
>
> I wonder if the gentleman considers his own output to be part of the
> "junk mail".
>
> I wonder if the gentleman would accept LT's never-far-from-the surface
> implication that a government-censored press is superior to a free
> press.
>
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