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Culture & Politics » soc.culture.china » Dell to declare PC world war
Dell to declare PC world war [message #224813] Do, 13 Juli 2006 14:24
akwfung  
Dell fires the first salvo ....

The PC world war is now on. Others, undoubtedly, will be forced
to respond. It is a race to the bottom. From which, there can be
no survivor.

Regards,

Albert K. Fung
Montecito/Santa Ysabel, California, USA.
Re: Dell to declare PC world war [message #224819 ] Do, 13 Juli 2006 14:36
fyfpoon  
Have you used a Dell and found it superior to other brands?

===========================
Albert K. Fung wrote:
> Dell fires the first salvo ....
>
> The PC world war is now on. Others, undoubtedly, will be forced
> to respond. It is a race to the bottom. From which, there can be
> no survivor.
>
> Regards,
>
> Albert K. Fung
> Montecito/Santa Ysabel, California, USA.
Re: Dell to declare PC world war [message #224834 ] Do, 13 Juli 2006 14:51
lechergod  
no need to be so pessimistic !!!
high-tech industries is very profitable.
against the inflation this 30 years since 197X,
the computer-price dropped very drastically,
they are still in good proft for competition.
when the knowledge is wide-spread, the most efficient ones are to subsist
at stable price, just as other high-tech industries !!!!
PC is noticeable, just because the market is too big,
likely to be bigger than mobile phone, although not in quanity, but in
sales volume !!!


Albert K. Fung wrote:

> Dell fires the first salvo ....
>
> The PC world war is now on. Others, undoubtedly, will be forced
> to respond. It is a race to the bottom. From which, there can be
> no survivor.
>
> Regards,
>
> Albert K. Fung
> Montecito/Santa Ysabel, California, USA.
>

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Re: Dell to declare PC world war [message #224867 ] Do, 13 Juli 2006 16:57
akwfung  
lechergod:

> no need to be so pessimistic !!!
> high-tech industries is very profitable.
> against the inflation this 30 years since 197X,
> the computer-price dropped very drastically,
> they are still in good proft for competition.
> when the knowledge is wide-spread, the most efficient ones are to subsist
> at stable price, just as other high-tech industries !!!!
> PC is noticeable, just because the market is too big,
> likely to be bigger than mobile phone, although not in quanity, but in
> sales volume !!!

PC is the textile industry of the post modern world. Dell
should have followed IBM's example.

Now, it's Vietnam vs China .... :)

Regards,

Albert K. Fung
Montecito/Santa Ysabel, California, USA.
Re: Dell to declare PC world war [message #224917 ] Do, 13 Juli 2006 20:28
csleehk  
fyfpoon [at] gmail.com :

> Have you used a Dell and found it superior to other brands?

Right to the point.

Dell is minimizing RnD spendings and that will give them lesser unfair
advantage over newer market segments such as ubiquitas applications and
consumers whereas fusing of PC is progressing.

However, the true strength of Dell lies not in their direct sales but
gov/corporate biz.
Re: Dell to declare PC world war [message #224943 ] Do, 13 Juli 2006 17:03
lechergod  
USA is dominating to balance them !!!


Albert K. Fung wrote:

> lechergod:
>
>
>>no need to be so pessimistic !!!
>>high-tech industries is very profitable.
>>against the inflation this 30 years since 197X,
>>the computer-price dropped very drastically,
>>they are still in good proft for competition.
>>when the knowledge is wide-spread, the most efficient ones are to subsist
>>at stable price, just as other high-tech industries !!!!
>>PC is noticeable, just because the market is too big,
>>likely to be bigger than mobile phone, although not in quanity, but in
>>sales volume !!!
>
>
> PC is the textile industry of the post modern world. Dell
> should have followed IBM's example.
>
> Now, it's Vietnam vs China .... :)
>
> Regards,
>
> Albert K. Fung
> Montecito/Santa Ysabel, California, USA.
>

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Re: Dell to declare PC world war [message #225076 ] Fr, 14 Juli 2006 11:10
fyfpoon  
A friend of mine found the Dell pc to be much hotter than say Toshiba
when being tuned on for long time///

=====================
CS wrote:
> fyfpoon [at] gmail.com :
>
> > Have you used a Dell and found it superior to other brands?
>
> Right to the point.
>
> Dell is minimizing RnD spendings and that will give them lesser unfair
> advantage over newer market segments such as ubiquitas applications and
> consumers whereas fusing of PC is progressing.
>
> However, the true strength of Dell lies not in their direct sales but
> gov/corporate biz.
Re: Dell to declare PC world war [message #225098 ] Fr, 14 Juli 2006 13:12
akwfung  
> PC is the textile industry of the post modern world. Dell
> should have followed IBM's example.
>
> Now, it's Vietnam vs China .... :)

lechergod:

> USA is dominating to balance them !!!

USA is just the fisherman .... :)

Vietnam and Philipine are the Pearl and Yangtze river deltas
of the PRC ten years ago. Both, are young and very hungry.
Intel is building a 700 million plant in Vietnam and outsource
back offices and call centers are poping up all over Philipine.

With rising FDI, they are ready, willing and able ....

Regards,

Albert K. Fung
Montecito/Santa Ysabel, California, USA.
Re: Dell to declare PC world war [message #225104 ] Fr, 14 Juli 2006 13:34
csleehk  
fyfpoon [at] gmail.com :

> A friend of mine found the Dell pc to be much hotter than say Toshiba
> when being tuned on for long time///

Your friend selling Toshiba brand ? Just joking.

Dell also prides themself for better thermal design with gamer models.
This quality is one parameter you cannot find from the spec sheet.
Just like cars with overheat problem. Google "overheat notebook
(brandname) " then you can get some clue.

Thermal / power design to overcome physical constraints with notebooks
will be a real challenge with applications such as digital terrestrial
broadcast and IPTV that "fanless" comes as a must. Notebook or flat
panel display, no escape.

Before marketable technology is introduced, guess makers will keep
telling us, "notebook is not for 24 hrs usage".
Re: Dell to declare PC world war [message #225111 ] Fr, 14 Juli 2006 14:10
fyfpoon  
I suppose the solution for the time being is to use a piece of metal
sheet as support for the hot pc, and then a metal table below it to
absorb more heat. The metal table is better with holes on its face.

===========================
CS wrote:
> fyfpoon [at] gmail.com :
>
> > A friend of mine found the Dell pc to be much hotter than say Toshiba
> > when being tuned on for long time///
>
> Your friend selling Toshiba brand ? Just joking.
>
> Dell also prides themself for better thermal design with gamer models.
> This quality is one parameter you cannot find from the spec sheet.
> Just like cars with overheat problem. Google "overheat notebook
> (brandname) " then you can get some clue.
>
> Thermal / power design to overcome physical constraints with notebooks
> will be a real challenge with applications such as digital terrestrial
> broadcast and IPTV that "fanless" comes as a must. Notebook or flat
> panel display, no escape.
>
> Before marketable technology is introduced, guess makers will keep
> telling us, "notebook is not for 24 hrs usage".
Re: Dell to declare PC world war [message #225113 ] Fr, 14 Juli 2006 14:14
csleehk  
fyfp... [at] gmail.com :

> I suppose the solution for the time being is to use a piece of metal
> sheet as support for the hot pc, and then a metal table below it to
> absorb more heat. The metal table is better with holes on its face.

Or a USB cooling stand, for the time being.....
Re: Dell to declare PC world war [message #225152 ] Fr, 14 Juli 2006 17:13
lechergod  
Albert K. Fung wrote:

>>PC is the textile industry of the post modern world. Dell
>>should have followed IBM's example.
>>
>>Now, it's Vietnam vs China .... :)
>
>
> lechergod:
>
>
>>USA is dominating to balance them !!!
>
>
> USA is just the fisherman .... :)
>
> Vietnam and Philipine are the Pearl and Yangtze river deltas
> of the PRC ten years ago. Both, are young and very hungry.
> Intel is building a 700 million plant in Vietnam and outsource
> back offices and call centers are poping up all over Philipine.
>
> With rising FDI, they are ready, willing and able ....
>

I presume your fisherman comes from chinese proverb !
if so, you ignore the environment is not that of before WWII.
as fisherman, the (鷸)snipe and (蚌)clam must be in fighting,
but now, USA is eminent at the above, all are aiming at her.
her balance effort can only be providing food to robbers as feeding a tiger
to bite her !!!!



> Regards,
>
> Albert K. Fung
> Montecito/Santa Ysabel, California, USA.
>

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Re: Dell to declare PC world war [message #225160 ] Fr, 14 Juli 2006 17:57
akwfung  
lechergod:

> I presume your fisherman comes from chinese proverb !
> if so, you ignore the environment is not that of before WWII.
> as fisherman, the (=E9=B7=B8)snipe and (=E8=9A=8C)clam must be in fightin=
g,
> but now, USA is eminent at the above, all are aiming at her.
> her balance effort can only be providing food to robbers as feeding a tig=
er
> to bite her !!!!

Raising dragons and tigers .... :)

Is a tricky business. The USA has tamed the erstwhile wild,
wild world. Henceforth, world wars will be fought at a more
civilized level: economics and ideologies. Surely, there are
war rhethorics, such as the "war on terror" or "war of civili-
zations". The gentleman from Texas is an exception.

Most, would not call them wars ....

Regards,
=20
Albert K. Fung
Montecito/Santa Ysabel, California, USA.
Re: Dell to declare PC world war [message #225175 ] Fr, 14 Juli 2006 18:16
lechergod  
Albert K. Fung wrote:

> lechergod:
>
>
>>I presume your fisherman comes from chinese proverb !
>>if so, you ignore the environment is not that of before WWII.
>>as fisherman, the (鷸)snipe and (蚌)clam must be in fighting,
>>but now, USA is eminent at the above, all are aiming at her.
>>her balance effort can only be providing food to robbers as feeding a tiger
>>to bite her !!!!
>
>
> Raising dragons and tigers .... :)
>
> Is a tricky business. The USA has tamed the erstwhile wild,
> wild world. Henceforth, world wars will be fought at a more
> civilized level: economics and ideologies. Surely, there are
> war rhethorics, such as the "war on terror" or "war of civili-
> zations". The gentleman from Texas is an exception.
>
> Most, would not call them wars ....

Biting master ... :)
are the dragons and tigers fed too well !!!
obviously to be seen, N. Korea is doing the blackmail !!!

Most, should not call such as negotiaton ....

Regards,

Lechergod
Hong Kong, Hong Kong, China.


>
> Regards,
>
> Albert K. Fung
> Montecito/Santa Ysabel, California, USA.
>

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Re: Dell to declare PC world war [message #225203 ] Fr, 14 Juli 2006 20:23
Tak To  
CS wrote:
> fyfpoon [at] gmail.com :
>
>
>>A friend of mine found the Dell pc to be much hotter than say Toshiba
>>when being tuned on for long time///
>
>
> Your friend selling Toshiba brand ? Just joking.
>
> Dell also prides themself for better thermal design with gamer models.
> This quality is one parameter you cannot find from the spec sheet.
> Just like cars with overheat problem. Google "overheat notebook
> (brandname) " then you can get some clue.

I googled "overheat computer dell" and got 399,000 hits; "... sony"
and got 422,000 hits; "... compaq" 153,000 hits; "... gateway"
219,000 hits; "... apple" 572,000 hits, "... Toshiba" 260,000 hits,
etc. These numbers seem to correspond with the market share/
popularity. Could you substantiate your claim that Dell is
superior in this regard?

> Thermal / power design to overcome physical constraints with notebooks
> will be a real challenge with applications such as digital terrestrial
> broadcast and IPTV that "fanless" comes as a must. Notebook or flat
> panel display, no escape.

I would expect heat pipe technology to become more prevalent.

> Before marketable technology is introduced, guess makers will keep
> telling us, "notebook is not for 24 hrs usage".

I kept my VAIO plugged in 24/7 without any ill effect; but of course
it turns into standby mode every so often.

Tak
--
------------------------------------------------------------ ----+-----
Tak To takto [at] alum.mit.eduxx
------------------------------------------------------------ --------^^
[taode takto ~{LU5B~}] NB: trim the xx to get my real email addr
Re: Dell to declare PC world war [message #225219 ] Fr, 14 Juli 2006 21:38
ppp  
On Fri, 14 Jul 2006 14:23:40 -0400, Tak To <takto [at] alum.mit.edu.->
wrote:

>I googled "overheat computer dell" and got 399,000 hits; "... sony"
>and got 422,000 hits; "... compaq" 153,000 hits; "... gateway"
>219,000 hits; "... apple" 572,000 hits, "... Toshiba" 260,000 hits,
>etc. These numbers seem to correspond with the market share/
>popularity. Could you substantiate your claim that Dell is
>superior in this regard?
>


Your comment about consumer poll data mirroring market share is right
on the money. In this time and day PCs are a commodity and there is
little to choose between different sources other than cosmetic looks
and marketing a brand name vs no name. They all use interchangeable
parts and any part that produce even a little trouble more often than
another generic supplier's part gets tossed out promptly by the
vendor. Buy a computer from any mass marketeer and you'll do fine.
Re: Dell to declare PC world war [message #225291 ] Sa, 15 Juli 2006 04:38
csleehk  
Tak To :

> > Dell also prides themself for better thermal design with gamer models.
> > This quality is one parameter you cannot find from the spec sheet.
> > Just like cars with overheat problem. Google "overheat notebook
> > (brandname) " then you can get some clue.
>
> I googled "overheat computer dell" and got 399,000 hits; "... sony"
> and got 422,000 hits; "... compaq" 153,000 hits; "... gateway"
> 219,000 hits; "... apple" 572,000 hits, "... Toshiba" 260,000 hits,
> etc. These numbers seem to correspond with the market share/
> popularity. Could you substantiate your claim that Dell is
> superior in this regard?

If the hit numbers truely correspond to market share then you have no
argument here.....but are they ? Should "destop replacement
notebook"
be taken out from the data ? I guess so. Model by model
comparison
is the fair one.

The "clue" I put there is to demonstrate this overheat issue is not
limited
to specific brand and significant concerns regarding the "heat" only
after
purchase.

> I would expect heat pipe technology to become more prevalent.

Borrow high efficiency thermal conduction know-how from air
conditioner....
The ambient temperature will go as high as 120+ celcius inside
notebooks.
There are many water cooling models in the market but how's start with
components with lesser thermal resistance and lower amper dies in the
first place ?

> > Before marketable technology is introduced, guess makers will keep
> > telling us, "notebook is not for 24 hrs usage".
>
> I kept my VAIO plugged in 24/7 without any ill effect; but of course
> it turns into standby mode every so often.

Your VAIO can take five by itself. You can take a beer to cool down
too.
Same to the "overheat" situation with Isreal, N.Korea .....
Re: Dell to declare PC world war [message #225375 ] Sa, 15 Juli 2006 14:03
fyfpoon  
Tak To wrote:
> CS wrote:
> > fyfpoon [at] gmail.com :
> >
> >
> >>A friend of mine found the Dell pc to be much hotter than say Toshiba
> >>when being tuned on for long time///
> >
> >
> > Your friend selling Toshiba brand ? Just joking.
> >
> > Dell also prides themself for better thermal design with gamer models.
> > This quality is one parameter you cannot find from the spec sheet.
> > Just like cars with overheat problem. Google "overheat notebook
> > (brandname) " then you can get some clue.
>
> I googled "overheat computer dell" and got 399,000 hits; "... sony"
> and got 422,000 hits; "... compaq" 153,000 hits; "... gateway"
> 219,000 hits; "... apple" 572,000 hits, "... Toshiba" 260,000 hits,
> etc. These numbers seem to correspond with the market share/
> popularity. Could you substantiate your claim that Dell is
> superior in this regard?
>
Two friends of mine who have used Dell told me so but then again I
personally have not used a Dell. Do you want to dispell the findings
or observation of my friends? At the same time, I am not sure if the
hits in Google are demonstrative of any definitive conclusion about
overheating notebook computer.

FP


> > Thermal / power design to overcome physical constraints with notebooks
> > will be a real challenge with applications such as digital terrestrial
> > broadcast and IPTV that "fanless" comes as a must. Notebook or flat
> > panel display, no escape.
>
> I would expect heat pipe technology to become more prevalent.
>
> > Before marketable technology is introduced, guess makers will keep
> > telling us, "notebook is not for 24 hrs usage".
>
> I kept my VAIO plugged in 24/7 without any ill effect; but of course
> it turns into standby mode every so ofte
>
> Tak
> --
> ------------------------------------------------------------ ----+-----
> Tak To takto [at] alum.mit.eduxx
> ------------------------------------------------------------ --------^^
> [taode takto ~{LU5B~}] NB: trim the xx to get my real email addr
Re: Dell to declare PC world war [message #225390 ] Sa, 15 Juli 2006 15:48
fyfpoon  
Tak To =E5=86=99=E9=81=93=EF=BC=9A

snipped...
> I kept my VAIO plugged in 24/7 without any ill effect;

Can you tell me which specific model of VAIO or is there only one named
VAIO? TKS

but of course it turns into standby mode every so often.
>=20
Is this true of all pc?

FP
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