Sprinkler Systems Uhaul move Lawn care Roses and trees Ford Parts Chrysler Parts Lake Powell New IPod Touch Apps New IPhone Apps IPhone Apps IPad Information IPad Apps Android APPS Android Games APPS Android Systems Android Tablets APPS and Beyond Smartphone Apps Smartphone Games Apps Repair and Tools Tablet PC Car Sharing Car Leasing Tabler Pc Fly Fishing Toyota Cars Vacation Rentals Stock market NYSE SSE Stock Freight & Shipping News Gluten Lactose Gout My Coupon Life Campgrounds Check Outdoor Kitchen Design and Redoo Bath Remodeling Palm Springs Las Vegas Vacation Tipps Lake Powell Boating Homes for lease Electric and green Car Blog Pearls and diamonds Whatsapp and forget SMS Blog, What is Whatsapp App Renovation Blog Condo for rent or lease Solar Panel Solar Energie Sun Power Blog Truck for Sale Reconstruction Blog
Reader


[Suche]  [Administrator]  [Hinweise zum Reader]  [Startseite]
Culture & Politics » soc.culture.china » Why you must visit China
Why you must visit China [message #224925] Do, 13 Juli 2006 21:56
ppp  
Below is an excerpt of an interview with Singapore's Lee Kuan Yew.
Read the excerpt and then read the whole interview. I think there
will be much for everyone to think deeply on.


Taiwan Must Accept the Rise of China
Straits Times, June 24, 2006
http://www.taiwansecurity.org/ST/2006/ST-240606.htm

(snip)

If the KMT wants to succeed, it must bring in new leaders. One of the
reasons why KMT had trouble before was because there were not many new
faces. People want to see a new generation take over. Now, Ma
Ying-jeou is the new face, the new generation.

But one man alone cannot do everything. He must bring in a new team of
people, people in their 50s and 40s. Of course, he needs to keep a few
60- or 70-year-old people for continuity. But the majority with the
new ideas and policies will come from people in their 40s and early
50s. They have the ideas and the energy to implement their ideas.

Having a global view is a plus. People can learn quickly. Usually
leaders grow up with a domestic orientation. Not everybody has the
advantage of having seen the world. Studying abroad is useful. When
they take over leadership in their 40s or 50s, the world they saw in
their 20s was 20 or 30 years ago.

Today, with air travel and satellite TV, it is easy to learn about
global issues, but it will be better if you visit their countries and
their leaders personally.

I go to China every year because it is changing very fast. It is not
just Beijing, Shanghai, Guangzhou, Dalian, Qindao, the whole country
is changing. I went to Shenyang recently. I had not been there for 12
years. The city is totally different. The pollution is suppressed. The
roads have four lanes each way. You feel the country is on the move,
and Liaoning has a dynamic leader, Li Keqiang, very smart and
determined.

My son, the PM, visited Shenyang last year and he told me it is worth
visiting. I found it very interesting. I can read everything about
China from reports. But going there gives me a deeper understanding
than reading reports because I meet the people and see the places.
This is a disadvantage for Taiwan's leaders. You have a rule that no
minister can visit the mainland. That's a mistake. They do not know
what is on the other side.

It is not old China anymore. China is changing day by day and posing a
very serious challenge to the world and most immediately to its
neighbours. China's challenge is particularly to Taiwan, especially as
China wants to convince Taiwan that Taiwan cannot move away and seek
independence. China is not keen in forcing Taiwan into early
reunification. It is comfortable with the status quo. Americans are
also comfortable with the status quo. Taiwan is progressing
peacefully. Taiwan gets technology from the US, and sends older
technology to China. China is quite happy. But if you move away and
try to be independent, then Taiwan forces China to use all means to
stop the move.

(more)
Re: Why you must visit China [message #224950 ] Fr, 14 Juli 2006 00:36
Baton  
According to Lee Kuan Yew:

"Taiwan gets technology from the US, and sends older technology to
China. China is quite happy. But if you move away and
try to be independent, then Taiwan forces China to use all means to stop
the move."

This view from the infamous or venerable ( depending on one's own view
of the world ), Oxford educated godfather of oriental mafia, is nothing
but a candid blackmail of a 21st century terrorist. Has Mr Lee already
forgotten? when Singapore was breaking away from Malaysia, Malaysia
people and their government had demonstrated lot more civility towards
the tiny city-state Singapore.

What Mr. Lee had said, proved yet once again to the entire world, China
remains a barbaric monster.

Every freedom-loving human on our planet, especially Taiwanese beware.



ppp [at] yahoo.com wrote:
> Below is an excerpt of an interview with Singapore's Lee Kuan Yew.
> Read the excerpt and then read the whole interview. I think there
> will be much for everyone to think deeply on.
>
>
> Taiwan Must Accept the Rise of China
> Straits Times, June 24, 2006
> http://www.taiwansecurity.org/ST/2006/ST-240606.htm
>
> (snip)
>
> If the KMT wants to succeed, it must bring in new leaders. One of the
> reasons why KMT had trouble before was because there were not many new
> faces. People want to see a new generation take over. Now, Ma
> Ying-jeou is the new face, the new generation.
>
> But one man alone cannot do everything. He must bring in a new team of
> people, people in their 50s and 40s. Of course, he needs to keep a few
> 60- or 70-year-old people for continuity. But the majority with the
> new ideas and policies will come from people in their 40s and early
> 50s. They have the ideas and the energy to implement their ideas.
>
> Having a global view is a plus. People can learn quickly. Usually
> leaders grow up with a domestic orientation. Not everybody has the
> advantage of having seen the world. Studying abroad is useful. When
> they take over leadership in their 40s or 50s, the world they saw in
> their 20s was 20 or 30 years ago.
>
> Today, with air travel and satellite TV, it is easy to learn about
> global issues, but it will be better if you visit their countries and
> their leaders personally.
>
> I go to China every year because it is changing very fast. It is not
> just Beijing, Shanghai, Guangzhou, Dalian, Qindao, the whole country
> is changing. I went to Shenyang recently. I had not been there for 12
> years. The city is totally different. The pollution is suppressed. The
> roads have four lanes each way. You feel the country is on the move,
> and Liaoning has a dynamic leader, Li Keqiang, very smart and
> determined.
>
> My son, the PM, visited Shenyang last year and he told me it is worth
> visiting. I found it very interesting. I can read everything about
> China from reports. But going there gives me a deeper understanding
> than reading reports because I meet the people and see the places.
> This is a disadvantage for Taiwan's leaders. You have a rule that no
> minister can visit the mainland. That's a mistake. They do not know
> what is on the other side.
>
> It is not old China anymore. China is changing day by day and posing a
> very serious challenge to the world and most immediately to its
> neighbours. China's challenge is particularly to Taiwan, especially as
> China wants to convince Taiwan that Taiwan cannot move away and seek
> independence. China is not keen in forcing Taiwan into early
> reunification. It is comfortable with the status quo. Americans are
> also comfortable with the status quo. Taiwan is progressing
> peacefully. Taiwan gets technology from the US, and sends older
> technology to China. China is quite happy. But if you move away and
> try to be independent, then Taiwan forces China to use all means to
> stop the move.
>
> (more)
Re: Why you must visit China [message #224952 ] Fr, 14 Juli 2006 00:48
ltlee1  
Micky Wong wrote:
> According to Lee Kuan Yew:
>
> "Taiwan gets technology from the US, and sends older technology to
> China. China is quite happy. But if you move away and
> try to be independent, then Taiwan forces China to use all means to stop
> the move."
>
> This view from the infamous or venerable ( depending on one's own view
> of the world ), Oxford educated godfather of oriental mafia, is nothing
> but a candid blackmail of a 21st century terrorist. Has Mr Lee already
> forgotten? when Singapore was breaking away from Malaysia, Malaysia
> people and their government had demonstrated lot more civility towards
> the tiny city-state Singapore.
>
> What Mr. Lee had said, proved yet once again to the entire world, China
> remains a barbaric monster.

Singapore breaking away from Malaysia? Who is kidding whom?
Someone please give Micky Wong, a history lesson.
..


>
> Every freedom-loving human on our planet, especially Taiwanese beware.
>
>
>
> ppp [at] yahoo.com wrote:
> > Below is an excerpt of an interview with Singapore's Lee Kuan Yew.
> > Read the excerpt and then read the whole interview. I think there
> > will be much for everyone to think deeply on.
> >
> >
> > Taiwan Must Accept the Rise of China
> > Straits Times, June 24, 2006
> > http://www.taiwansecurity.org/ST/2006/ST-240606.htm
> >
> > (snip)
> >
> > If the KMT wants to succeed, it must bring in new leaders. One of the
> > reasons why KMT had trouble before was because there were not many new
> > faces. People want to see a new generation take over. Now, Ma
> > Ying-jeou is the new face, the new generation.
> >
> > But one man alone cannot do everything. He must bring in a new team of
> > people, people in their 50s and 40s. Of course, he needs to keep a few
> > 60- or 70-year-old people for continuity. But the majority with the
> > new ideas and policies will come from people in their 40s and early
> > 50s. They have the ideas and the energy to implement their ideas.
> >
> > Having a global view is a plus. People can learn quickly. Usually
> > leaders grow up with a domestic orientation. Not everybody has the
> > advantage of having seen the world. Studying abroad is useful. When
> > they take over leadership in their 40s or 50s, the world they saw in
> > their 20s was 20 or 30 years ago.
> >
> > Today, with air travel and satellite TV, it is easy to learn about
> > global issues, but it will be better if you visit their countries and
> > their leaders personally.
> >
> > I go to China every year because it is changing very fast. It is not
> > just Beijing, Shanghai, Guangzhou, Dalian, Qindao, the whole country
> > is changing. I went to Shenyang recently. I had not been there for 12
> > years. The city is totally different. The pollution is suppressed. The
> > roads have four lanes each way. You feel the country is on the move,
> > and Liaoning has a dynamic leader, Li Keqiang, very smart and
> > determined.
> >
> > My son, the PM, visited Shenyang last year and he told me it is worth
> > visiting. I found it very interesting. I can read everything about
> > China from reports. But going there gives me a deeper understanding
> > than reading reports because I meet the people and see the places.
> > This is a disadvantage for Taiwan's leaders. You have a rule that no
> > minister can visit the mainland. That's a mistake. They do not know
> > what is on the other side.
> >
> > It is not old China anymore. China is changing day by day and posing a
> > very serious challenge to the world and most immediately to its
> > neighbours. China's challenge is particularly to Taiwan, especially as
> > China wants to convince Taiwan that Taiwan cannot move away and seek
> > independence. China is not keen in forcing Taiwan into early
> > reunification. It is comfortable with the status quo. Americans are
> > also comfortable with the status quo. Taiwan is progressing
> > peacefully. Taiwan gets technology from the US, and sends older
> > technology to China. China is quite happy. But if you move away and
> > try to be independent, then Taiwan forces China to use all means to
> > stop the move.
> >
> > (more)
Re: Why you must visit China [message #224953 ] Fr, 14 Juli 2006 01:10
ppp  
On 14 Jul 2006 00:36:14 +0200, Micky Wong <mickywon [at] 11thdimension.ca>
wrote:

>Has Mr Lee already forgotten? when Singapore was breaking away from Malaysia

Of course not. Mr. Lee was unceremoniously thrown out of Malaysia and
he never forgave the Tunku for making him cry. Maybe you have a good
idea here. Ah bian should come up with a plan that will make China
throw Taiwan out.
Re: Why you must visit China [message #224955 ] Fr, 14 Juli 2006 01:28
abianchen  
Did Micky Wong still post number of people quitting CCP membership from
the Epoch Time every day? That was quite hilarious!!!


ltlee1 wrote:
> Micky Wong wrote:
> > According to Lee Kuan Yew:
> >
> > "Taiwan gets technology from the US, and sends older technology to
> > China. China is quite happy. But if you move away and
> > try to be independent, then Taiwan forces China to use all means to stop
> > the move."
> >
> > This view from the infamous or venerable ( depending on one's own view
> > of the world ), Oxford educated godfather of oriental mafia, is nothing
> > but a candid blackmail of a 21st century terrorist. Has Mr Lee already
> > forgotten? when Singapore was breaking away from Malaysia, Malaysia
> > people and their government had demonstrated lot more civility towards
> > the tiny city-state Singapore.
> >
> > What Mr. Lee had said, proved yet once again to the entire world, China
> > remains a barbaric monster.
>
> Singapore breaking away from Malaysia? Who is kidding whom?
> Someone please give Micky Wong, a history lesson.
> .
>
>
> >
> > Every freedom-loving human on our planet, especially Taiwanese beware.
> >
> >
> >
> > ppp [at] yahoo.com wrote:
> > > Below is an excerpt of an interview with Singapore's Lee Kuan Yew.
> > > Read the excerpt and then read the whole interview. I think there
> > > will be much for everyone to think deeply on.
> > >
> > >
> > > Taiwan Must Accept the Rise of China
> > > Straits Times, June 24, 2006
> > > http://www.taiwansecurity.org/ST/2006/ST-240606.htm
> > >
> > > (snip)
> > >
> > > If the KMT wants to succeed, it must bring in new leaders. One of the
> > > reasons why KMT had trouble before was because there were not many new
> > > faces. People want to see a new generation take over. Now, Ma
> > > Ying-jeou is the new face, the new generation.
> > >
> > > But one man alone cannot do everything. He must bring in a new team of
> > > people, people in their 50s and 40s. Of course, he needs to keep a few
> > > 60- or 70-year-old people for continuity. But the majority with the
> > > new ideas and policies will come from people in their 40s and early
> > > 50s. They have the ideas and the energy to implement their ideas.
> > >
> > > Having a global view is a plus. People can learn quickly. Usually
> > > leaders grow up with a domestic orientation. Not everybody has the
> > > advantage of having seen the world. Studying abroad is useful. When
> > > they take over leadership in their 40s or 50s, the world they saw in
> > > their 20s was 20 or 30 years ago.
> > >
> > > Today, with air travel and satellite TV, it is easy to learn about
> > > global issues, but it will be better if you visit their countries and
> > > their leaders personally.
> > >
> > > I go to China every year because it is changing very fast. It is not
> > > just Beijing, Shanghai, Guangzhou, Dalian, Qindao, the whole country
> > > is changing. I went to Shenyang recently. I had not been there for 12
> > > years. The city is totally different. The pollution is suppressed. The
> > > roads have four lanes each way. You feel the country is on the move,
> > > and Liaoning has a dynamic leader, Li Keqiang, very smart and
> > > determined.
> > >
> > > My son, the PM, visited Shenyang last year and he told me it is worth
> > > visiting. I found it very interesting. I can read everything about
> > > China from reports. But going there gives me a deeper understanding
> > > than reading reports because I meet the people and see the places.
> > > This is a disadvantage for Taiwan's leaders. You have a rule that no
> > > minister can visit the mainland. That's a mistake. They do not know
> > > what is on the other side.
> > >
> > > It is not old China anymore. China is changing day by day and posing a
> > > very serious challenge to the world and most immediately to its
> > > neighbours. China's challenge is particularly to Taiwan, especially as
> > > China wants to convince Taiwan that Taiwan cannot move away and seek
> > > independence. China is not keen in forcing Taiwan into early
> > > reunification. It is comfortable with the status quo. Americans are
> > > also comfortable with the status quo. Taiwan is progressing
> > > peacefully. Taiwan gets technology from the US, and sends older
> > > technology to China. China is quite happy. But if you move away and
> > > try to be independent, then Taiwan forces China to use all means to
> > > stop the move.
> > >
> > > (more)
Re: Why you must visit China [message #224967 ] Fr, 14 Juli 2006 01:34
abc118  
As far as Micky can understand only Epoch Time and
FLG is right, he does not understand history as it is,
he only believes in propaganda that have been send
out by FLG. By the way you can get Epoch Time
every thrusday at the MRT stations, read and see
the distortion it gives.


<abianchen [at] my-deja.com> wrote in message
news:1152833302.248862.83820 [at] 75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
> Did Micky Wong still post number of people quitting CCP membership from
> the Epoch Time every day? That was quite hilarious!!!
>
>
> ltlee1 wrote:
> > Micky Wong wrote:
> > > According to Lee Kuan Yew:
> > >
> > > "Taiwan gets technology from the US, and sends older technology to
> > > China. China is quite happy. But if you move away and
> > > try to be independent, then Taiwan forces China to use all means to
stop
> > > the move."
> > >
> > > This view from the infamous or venerable ( depending on one's own view
> > > of the world ), Oxford educated godfather of oriental mafia, is
nothing
> > > but a candid blackmail of a 21st century terrorist. Has Mr Lee already
> > > forgotten? when Singapore was breaking away from Malaysia, Malaysia
> > > people and their government had demonstrated lot more civility towards
> > > the tiny city-state Singapore.
> > >
> > > What Mr. Lee had said, proved yet once again to the entire world,
China
> > > remains a barbaric monster.
> >
> > Singapore breaking away from Malaysia? Who is kidding whom?
> > Someone please give Micky Wong, a history lesson.
> > .
> >
> >
> > >
> > > Every freedom-loving human on our planet, especially Taiwanese beware.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ppp [at] yahoo.com wrote:
> > > > Below is an excerpt of an interview with Singapore's Lee Kuan Yew.
> > > > Read the excerpt and then read the whole interview. I think there
> > > > will be much for everyone to think deeply on.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Taiwan Must Accept the Rise of China
> > > > Straits Times, June 24, 2006
> > > > http://www.taiwansecurity.org/ST/2006/ST-240606.htm
> > > >
> > > > (snip)
> > > >
> > > > If the KMT wants to succeed, it must bring in new leaders. One of
the
> > > > reasons why KMT had trouble before was because there were not many
new
> > > > faces. People want to see a new generation take over. Now, Ma
> > > > Ying-jeou is the new face, the new generation.
> > > >
> > > > But one man alone cannot do everything. He must bring in a new team
of
> > > > people, people in their 50s and 40s. Of course, he needs to keep a
few
> > > > 60- or 70-year-old people for continuity. But the majority with the
> > > > new ideas and policies will come from people in their 40s and early
> > > > 50s. They have the ideas and the energy to implement their ideas.
> > > >
> > > > Having a global view is a plus. People can learn quickly. Usually
> > > > leaders grow up with a domestic orientation. Not everybody has the
> > > > advantage of having seen the world. Studying abroad is useful. When
> > > > they take over leadership in their 40s or 50s, the world they saw in
> > > > their 20s was 20 or 30 years ago.
> > > >
> > > > Today, with air travel and satellite TV, it is easy to learn about
> > > > global issues, but it will be better if you visit their countries
and
> > > > their leaders personally.
> > > >
> > > > I go to China every year because it is changing very fast. It is not
> > > > just Beijing, Shanghai, Guangzhou, Dalian, Qindao, the whole country
> > > > is changing. I went to Shenyang recently. I had not been there for
12
> > > > years. The city is totally different. The pollution is suppressed.
The
> > > > roads have four lanes each way. You feel the country is on the move,
> > > > and Liaoning has a dynamic leader, Li Keqiang, very smart and
> > > > determined.
> > > >
> > > > My son, the PM, visited Shenyang last year and he told me it is
worth
> > > > visiting. I found it very interesting. I can read everything about
> > > > China from reports. But going there gives me a deeper understanding
> > > > than reading reports because I meet the people and see the places.
> > > > This is a disadvantage for Taiwan's leaders. You have a rule that no
> > > > minister can visit the mainland. That's a mistake. They do not know
> > > > what is on the other side.
> > > >
> > > > It is not old China anymore. China is changing day by day and posing
a
> > > > very serious challenge to the world and most immediately to its
> > > > neighbours. China's challenge is particularly to Taiwan, especially
as
> > > > China wants to convince Taiwan that Taiwan cannot move away and seek
> > > > independence. China is not keen in forcing Taiwan into early
> > > > reunification. It is comfortable with the status quo. Americans are
> > > > also comfortable with the status quo. Taiwan is progressing
> > > > peacefully. Taiwan gets technology from the US, and sends older
> > > > technology to China. China is quite happy. But if you move away and
> > > > try to be independent, then Taiwan forces China to use all means to
> > > > stop the move.
> > > >
> > > > (more)
>
Re: Why you must visit China [message #224978 ] Fr, 14 Juli 2006 01:54
abianchen  
After we pointed out number of people quitting CCP membership printed
in the Epoch Time is fake, Micky Wong disappeared from
soc.culture.taiwan. I wonder where is he posting now?


Luckyman wrote:
> As far as Micky can understand only Epoch Time and
> FLG is right, he does not understand history as it is,
> he only believes in propaganda that have been send
> out by FLG. By the way you can get Epoch Time
> every thrusday at the MRT stations, read and see
> the distortion it gives.
>
>
> <abianchen [at] my-deja.com> wrote in message
> news:1152833302.248862.83820 [at] 75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
> > Did Micky Wong still post number of people quitting CCP membership from
> > the Epoch Time every day? That was quite hilarious!!!
> >
> >
> > ltlee1 wrote:
> > > Micky Wong wrote:
> > > > According to Lee Kuan Yew:
> > > >
> > > > "Taiwan gets technology from the US, and sends older technology to
> > > > China. China is quite happy. But if you move away and
> > > > try to be independent, then Taiwan forces China to use all means to
> stop
> > > > the move."
> > > >
> > > > This view from the infamous or venerable ( depending on one's own view
> > > > of the world ), Oxford educated godfather of oriental mafia, is
> nothing
> > > > but a candid blackmail of a 21st century terrorist. Has Mr Lee already
> > > > forgotten? when Singapore was breaking away from Malaysia, Malaysia
> > > > people and their government had demonstrated lot more civility towards
> > > > the tiny city-state Singapore.
> > > >
> > > > What Mr. Lee had said, proved yet once again to the entire world,
> China
> > > > remains a barbaric monster.
> > >
> > > Singapore breaking away from Malaysia? Who is kidding whom?
> > > Someone please give Micky Wong, a history lesson.
> > > .
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Every freedom-loving human on our planet, especially Taiwanese beware.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ppp [at] yahoo.com wrote:
> > > > > Below is an excerpt of an interview with Singapore's Lee Kuan Yew.
> > > > > Read the excerpt and then read the whole interview. I think there
> > > > > will be much for everyone to think deeply on.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Taiwan Must Accept the Rise of China
> > > > > Straits Times, June 24, 2006
> > > > > http://www.taiwansecurity.org/ST/2006/ST-240606.htm
> > > > >
> > > > > (snip)
> > > > >
> > > > > If the KMT wants to succeed, it must bring in new leaders. One of
> the
> > > > > reasons why KMT had trouble before was because there were not many
> new
> > > > > faces. People want to see a new generation take over. Now, Ma
> > > > > Ying-jeou is the new face, the new generation.
> > > > >
> > > > > But one man alone cannot do everything. He must bring in a new team
> of
> > > > > people, people in their 50s and 40s. Of course, he needs to keep a
> few
> > > > > 60- or 70-year-old people for continuity. But the majority with the
> > > > > new ideas and policies will come from people in their 40s and early
> > > > > 50s. They have the ideas and the energy to implement their ideas.
> > > > >
> > > > > Having a global view is a plus. People can learn quickly. Usually
> > > > > leaders grow up with a domestic orientation. Not everybody has the
> > > > > advantage of having seen the world. Studying abroad is useful. When
> > > > > they take over leadership in their 40s or 50s, the world they saw in
> > > > > their 20s was 20 or 30 years ago.
> > > > >
> > > > > Today, with air travel and satellite TV, it is easy to learn about
> > > > > global issues, but it will be better if you visit their countries
> and
> > > > > their leaders personally.
> > > > >
> > > > > I go to China every year because it is changing very fast. It is not
> > > > > just Beijing, Shanghai, Guangzhou, Dalian, Qindao, the whole country
> > > > > is changing. I went to Shenyang recently. I had not been there for
> 12
> > > > > years. The city is totally different. The pollution is suppressed.
> The
> > > > > roads have four lanes each way. You feel the country is on the move,
> > > > > and Liaoning has a dynamic leader, Li Keqiang, very smart and
> > > > > determined.
> > > > >
> > > > > My son, the PM, visited Shenyang last year and he told me it is
> worth
> > > > > visiting. I found it very interesting. I can read everything about
> > > > > China from reports. But going there gives me a deeper understanding
> > > > > than reading reports because I meet the people and see the places.
> > > > > This is a disadvantage for Taiwan's leaders. You have a rule that no
> > > > > minister can visit the mainland. That's a mistake. They do not know
> > > > > what is on the other side.
> > > > >
> > > > > It is not old China anymore. China is changing day by day and posing
> a
> > > > > very serious challenge to the world and most immediately to its
> > > > > neighbours. China's challenge is particularly to Taiwan, especially
> as
> > > > > China wants to convince Taiwan that Taiwan cannot move away and seek
> > > > > independence. China is not keen in forcing Taiwan into early
> > > > > reunification. It is comfortable with the status quo. Americans are
> > > > > also comfortable with the status quo. Taiwan is progressing
> > > > > peacefully. Taiwan gets technology from the US, and sends older
> > > > > technology to China. China is quite happy. But if you move away and
> > > > > try to be independent, then Taiwan forces China to use all means to
> > > > > stop the move.
> > > > >
> > > > > (more)
> >
Re: Why you must visit China [message #224984 ] Fr, 14 Juli 2006 02:30
Zanzibar  
Is Epoch times only in mrt?

"Luckyman" <abc118 [at] singnet.com.sg> wrote in message
news:e96ha9$9lr$1 [at] reader01.singnet.com.sg...
> As far as Micky can understand only Epoch Time and
> FLG is right, he does not understand history as it is,
> he only believes in propaganda that have been send
> out by FLG. By the way you can get Epoch Time
> every thrusday at the MRT stations, read and see
> the distortion it gives.
>
>
> <abianchen [at] my-deja.com> wrote in message
> news:1152833302.248862.83820 [at] 75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
> > Did Micky Wong still post number of people quitting CCP membership from
> > the Epoch Time every day? That was quite hilarious!!!
> >
> >
> > ltlee1 wrote:
> > > Micky Wong wrote:
> > > > According to Lee Kuan Yew:
> > > >
> > > > "Taiwan gets technology from the US, and sends older technology to
> > > > China. China is quite happy. But if you move away and
> > > > try to be independent, then Taiwan forces China to use all means to
> stop
> > > > the move."
> > > >
> > > > This view from the infamous or venerable ( depending on one's own
view
> > > > of the world ), Oxford educated godfather of oriental mafia, is
> nothing
> > > > but a candid blackmail of a 21st century terrorist. Has Mr Lee
already
> > > > forgotten? when Singapore was breaking away from Malaysia, Malaysia
> > > > people and their government had demonstrated lot more civility
towards
> > > > the tiny city-state Singapore.
> > > >
> > > > What Mr. Lee had said, proved yet once again to the entire world,
> China
> > > > remains a barbaric monster.
> > >
> > > Singapore breaking away from Malaysia? Who is kidding whom?
> > > Someone please give Micky Wong, a history lesson.
> > > .
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Every freedom-loving human on our planet, especially Taiwanese
beware.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ppp [at] yahoo.com wrote:
> > > > > Below is an excerpt of an interview with Singapore's Lee Kuan Yew.
> > > > > Read the excerpt and then read the whole interview. I think there
> > > > > will be much for everyone to think deeply on.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Taiwan Must Accept the Rise of China
> > > > > Straits Times, June 24, 2006
> > > > > http://www.taiwansecurity.org/ST/2006/ST-240606.htm
> > > > >
> > > > > (snip)
> > > > >
> > > > > If the KMT wants to succeed, it must bring in new leaders. One of
> the
> > > > > reasons why KMT had trouble before was because there were not many
> new
> > > > > faces. People want to see a new generation take over. Now, Ma
> > > > > Ying-jeou is the new face, the new generation.
> > > > >
> > > > > But one man alone cannot do everything. He must bring in a new
team
> of
> > > > > people, people in their 50s and 40s. Of course, he needs to keep a
> few
> > > > > 60- or 70-year-old people for continuity. But the majority with
the
> > > > > new ideas and policies will come from people in their 40s and
early
> > > > > 50s. They have the ideas and the energy to implement their ideas.
> > > > >
> > > > > Having a global view is a plus. People can learn quickly. Usually
> > > > > leaders grow up with a domestic orientation. Not everybody has the
> > > > > advantage of having seen the world. Studying abroad is useful.
When
> > > > > they take over leadership in their 40s or 50s, the world they saw
in
> > > > > their 20s was 20 or 30 years ago.
> > > > >
> > > > > Today, with air travel and satellite TV, it is easy to learn about
> > > > > global issues, but it will be better if you visit their countries
> and
> > > > > their leaders personally.
> > > > >
> > > > > I go to China every year because it is changing very fast. It is
not
> > > > > just Beijing, Shanghai, Guangzhou, Dalian, Qindao, the whole
country
> > > > > is changing. I went to Shenyang recently. I had not been there for
> 12
> > > > > years. The city is totally different. The pollution is suppressed.
> The
> > > > > roads have four lanes each way. You feel the country is on the
move,
> > > > > and Liaoning has a dynamic leader, Li Keqiang, very smart and
> > > > > determined.
> > > > >
> > > > > My son, the PM, visited Shenyang last year and he told me it is
> worth
> > > > > visiting. I found it very interesting. I can read everything about
> > > > > China from reports. But going there gives me a deeper
understanding
> > > > > than reading reports because I meet the people and see the places.
> > > > > This is a disadvantage for Taiwan's leaders. You have a rule that
no
> > > > > minister can visit the mainland. That's a mistake. They do not
know
> > > > > what is on the other side.
> > > > >
> > > > > It is not old China anymore. China is changing day by day and
posing
> a
> > > > > very serious challenge to the world and most immediately to its
> > > > > neighbours. China's challenge is particularly to Taiwan,
especially
> as
> > > > > China wants to convince Taiwan that Taiwan cannot move away and
seek
> > > > > independence. China is not keen in forcing Taiwan into early
> > > > > reunification. It is comfortable with the status quo. Americans
are
> > > > > also comfortable with the status quo. Taiwan is progressing
> > > > > peacefully. Taiwan gets technology from the US, and sends older
> > > > > technology to China. China is quite happy. But if you move away
and
> > > > > try to be independent, then Taiwan forces China to use all means
to
> > > > > stop the move.
> > > > >
> > > > > (more)
> >
>
>
Re: Why you must visit China [message #225000 ] Fr, 14 Juli 2006 02:58
Wakalukong  
ltlee1 wrote:
> Micky Wong wrote:
> > According to Lee Kuan Yew:
> >
> > "Taiwan gets technology from the US, and sends older technology to
> > China. China is quite happy. But if you move away and
> > try to be independent, then Taiwan forces China to use all means to stop
> > the move."
> >
> > This view from the infamous or venerable ( depending on one's own view
> > of the world ), Oxford educated godfather of oriental mafia, is nothing
> > but a candid blackmail of a 21st century terrorist. Has Mr Lee already
> > forgotten? when Singapore was breaking away from Malaysia, Malaysia
> > people and their government had demonstrated lot more civility towards
> > the tiny city-state Singapore.
> >
> > What Mr. Lee had said, proved yet once again to the entire world, China
> > remains a barbaric monster.
>
> Singapore breaking away from Malaysia? Who is kidding whom?
> Someone please give Micky Wong, a history lesson.
(snip)
----------

As far as Taiwan's protector George Bush is concerned, Lee Kuan Yew is
venerable.

Wakalukong
Re: Why you must visit China [message #225005 ] Fr, 14 Juli 2006 03:12
Komin  
Mr. Lee was Cambridge educated ,
he has all laws but nothing of technologies .

the Chinese race stole Xingapore from the Malay people.

Taiwan is a province of China ,
and Japan is a province of America .







Micky Wong wrote:
> According to Lee Kuan Yew:
>
> "Taiwan gets technology from the US, and sends older technology to
> China. China is quite happy. But if you move away and
> try to be independent, then Taiwan forces China to use all means to stop
> the move."
>
> This view from the infamous or venerable ( depending on one's own view
> of the world ), Oxford educated godfather of oriental mafia, is nothing
> but a candid blackmail of a 21st century terrorist. Has Mr Lee already
> forgotten? when Singapore was breaking away from Malaysia, Malaysia
> people and their government had demonstrated lot more civility towards
> the tiny city-state Singapore.
>
> What Mr. Lee had said, proved yet once again to the entire world, China
> remains a barbaric monster.
>
> Every freedom-loving human on our planet, especially Taiwanese beware.
>
>
>
> ppp [at] yahoo.com wrote:
> > Below is an excerpt of an interview with Singapore's Lee Kuan Yew.
> > Read the excerpt and then read the whole interview. I think there
> > will be much for everyone to think deeply on.
> >
> >
> > Taiwan Must Accept the Rise of China
> > Straits Times, June 24, 2006
> > http://www.taiwansecurity.org/ST/2006/ST-240606.htm
> >
> > (snip)
> >
> > If the KMT wants to succeed, it must bring in new leaders. One of the
> > reasons why KMT had trouble before was because there were not many new
> > faces. People want to see a new generation take over. Now, Ma
> > Ying-jeou is the new face, the new generation.
> >
> > But one man alone cannot do everything. He must bring in a new team of
> > people, people in their 50s and 40s. Of course, he needs to keep a few
> > 60- or 70-year-old people for continuity. But the majority with the
> > new ideas and policies will come from people in their 40s and early
> > 50s. They have the ideas and the energy to implement their ideas.
> >
> > Having a global view is a plus. People can learn quickly. Usually
> > leaders grow up with a domestic orientation. Not everybody has the
> > advantage of having seen the world. Studying abroad is useful. When
> > they take over leadership in their 40s or 50s, the world they saw in
> > their 20s was 20 or 30 years ago.
> >
> > Today, with air travel and satellite TV, it is easy to learn about
> > global issues, but it will be better if you visit their countries and
> > their leaders personally.
> >
> > I go to China every year because it is changing very fast. It is not
> > just Beijing, Shanghai, Guangzhou, Dalian, Qindao, the whole country
> > is changing. I went to Shenyang recently. I had not been there for 12
> > years. The city is totally different. The pollution is suppressed. The
> > roads have four lanes each way. You feel the country is on the move,
> > and Liaoning has a dynamic leader, Li Keqiang, very smart and
> > determined.
> >
> > My son, the PM, visited Shenyang last year and he told me it is worth
> > visiting. I found it very interesting. I can read everything about
> > China from reports. But going there gives me a deeper understanding
> > than reading reports because I meet the people and see the places.
> > This is a disadvantage for Taiwan's leaders. You have a rule that no
> > minister can visit the mainland. That's a mistake. They do not know
> > what is on the other side.
> >
> > It is not old China anymore. China is changing day by day and posing a
> > very serious challenge to the world and most immediately to its
> > neighbours. China's challenge is particularly to Taiwan, especially as
> > China wants to convince Taiwan that Taiwan cannot move away and seek
> > independence. China is not keen in forcing Taiwan into early
> > reunification. It is comfortable with the status quo. Americans are
> > also comfortable with the status quo. Taiwan is progressing
> > peacefully. Taiwan gets technology from the US, and sends older
> > technology to China. China is quite happy. But if you move away and
> > try to be independent, then Taiwan forces China to use all means to
> > stop the move.
> >
> > (more)
Re: Why you must visit China [message #225007 ] Fr, 14 Juli 2006 03:15
Komin  
Soon Xingapore will become a province of China ,

and the Malaysian Chinese will make Malaysia into a Chinese state
property .


Komin wrote:
> Mr. Lee was Cambridge educated ,
> he has all laws but nothing of technologies .
>
> the Chinese race stole Xingapore from the Malay people.
>
> Taiwan is a province of China ,
> and Japan is a province of America .
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Micky Wong wrote:
> > According to Lee Kuan Yew:
> >
> > "Taiwan gets technology from the US, and sends older technology to
> > China. China is quite happy. But if you move away and
> > try to be independent, then Taiwan forces China to use all means to stop
> > the move."
> >
> > This view from the infamous or venerable ( depending on one's own view
> > of the world ), Oxford educated godfather of oriental mafia, is nothing
> > but a candid blackmail of a 21st century terrorist. Has Mr Lee already
> > forgotten? when Singapore was breaking away from Malaysia, Malaysia
> > people and their government had demonstrated lot more civility towards
> > the tiny city-state Singapore.
> >
> > What Mr. Lee had said, proved yet once again to the entire world, China
> > remains a barbaric monster.
> >
> > Every freedom-loving human on our planet, especially Taiwanese beware.
> >
> >
> >
> > ppp [at] yahoo.com wrote:
> > > Below is an excerpt of an interview with Singapore's Lee Kuan Yew.
> > > Read the excerpt and then read the whole interview. I think there
> > > will be much for everyone to think deeply on.
> > >
> > >
> > > Taiwan Must Accept the Rise of China
> > > Straits Times, June 24, 2006
> > > http://www.taiwansecurity.org/ST/2006/ST-240606.htm
> > >
> > > (snip)
> > >
> > > If the KMT wants to succeed, it must bring in new leaders. One of the
> > > reasons why KMT had trouble before was because there were not many new
> > > faces. People want to see a new generation take over. Now, Ma
> > > Ying-jeou is the new face, the new generation.
> > >
> > > But one man alone cannot do everything. He must bring in a new team of
> > > people, people in their 50s and 40s. Of course, he needs to keep a few
> > > 60- or 70-year-old people for continuity. But the majority with the
> > > new ideas and policies will come from people in their 40s and early
> > > 50s. They have the ideas and the energy to implement their ideas.
> > >
> > > Having a global view is a plus. People can learn quickly. Usually
> > > leaders grow up with a domestic orientation. Not everybody has the
> > > advantage of having seen the world. Studying abroad is useful. When
> > > they take over leadership in their 40s or 50s, the world they saw in
> > > their 20s was 20 or 30 years ago.
> > >
> > > Today, with air travel and satellite TV, it is easy to learn about
> > > global issues, but it will be better if you visit their countries and
> > > their leaders personally.
> > >
> > > I go to China every year because it is changing very fast. It is not
> > > just Beijing, Shanghai, Guangzhou, Dalian, Qindao, the whole country
> > > is changing. I went to Shenyang recently. I had not been there for 12
> > > years. The city is totally different. The pollution is suppressed. The
> > > roads have four lanes each way. You feel the country is on the move,
> > > and Liaoning has a dynamic leader, Li Keqiang, very smart and
> > > determined.
> > >
> > > My son, the PM, visited Shenyang last year and he told me it is worth
> > > visiting. I found it very interesting. I can read everything about
> > > China from reports. But going there gives me a deeper understanding
> > > than reading reports because I meet the people and see the places.
> > > This is a disadvantage for Taiwan's leaders. You have a rule that no
> > > minister can visit the mainland. That's a mistake. They do not know
> > > what is on the other side.
> > >
> > > It is not old China anymore. China is changing day by day and posing a
> > > very serious challenge to the world and most immediately to its
> > > neighbours. China's challenge is particularly to Taiwan, especially as
> > > China wants to convince Taiwan that Taiwan cannot move away and seek
> > > independence. China is not keen in forcing Taiwan into early
> > > reunification. It is comfortable with the status quo. Americans are
> > > also comfortable with the status quo. Taiwan is progressing
> > > peacefully. Taiwan gets technology from the US, and sends older
> > > technology to China. China is quite happy. But if you move away and
> > > try to be independent, then Taiwan forces China to use all means to
> > > stop the move.
> > >
> > > (more)
Re: Why you must visit China [message #225063 ] Fr, 14 Juli 2006 10:08
Feelers  
china's leaders is using LKY, a known hater of the Chinese Communist Party
and all their achievements, to their end.
LKY thinks he has the upper hand but he is only a dot, a pawn. he is not
smart. he is an egomaniac. this fella thought he can teach the 'chinese
communists' a thing or two about 'management.. vwell where is your suzchou
gamble going?? eh???
China will wait for an opportune moment, at a time of their choosing, to
squash this little fly and his entire descendants.
small man like to wear big clothes.
he can dance and honeymoon with his low level american friends..he can;t
even get an audience with bush the monster.. not even his son can smell the
odour of bush's shaven face.
ha! dream of emulating "israel"...


"ltlee1" <ltlee1 [at] hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1152830926.595938.226100 [at] 75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
> Micky Wong wrote:
>> According to Lee Kuan Yew:
>>
>> "Taiwan gets technology from the US, and sends older technology to
>> China. China is quite happy. But if you move away and
>> try to be independent, then Taiwan forces China to use all means to stop
>> the move."
>>
>> This view from the infamous or venerable ( depending on one's own view
>> of the world ), Oxford educated godfather of oriental mafia, is nothing
>> but a candid blackmail of a 21st century terrorist. Has Mr Lee already
>> forgotten? when Singapore was breaking away from Malaysia, Malaysia
>> people and their government had demonstrated lot more civility towards
>> the tiny city-state Singapore.
>>
>> What Mr. Lee had said, proved yet once again to the entire world, China
>> remains a barbaric monster.
>
> Singapore breaking away from Malaysia? Who is kidding whom?
> Someone please give Micky Wong, a history lesson.
> .
>
>
>>
>> Every freedom-loving human on our planet, especially Taiwanese beware.
>>
>>
>>
>> ppp [at] yahoo.com wrote:
>> > Below is an excerpt of an interview with Singapore's Lee Kuan Yew.
>> > Read the excerpt and then read the whole interview. I think there
>> > will be much for everyone to think deeply on.
>> >
>> >
>> > Taiwan Must Accept the Rise of China
>> > Straits Times, June 24, 2006
>> > http://www.taiwansecurity.org/ST/2006/ST-240606.htm
>> >
>> > (snip)
>> >
>> > If the KMT wants to succeed, it must bring in new leaders. One of the
>> > reasons why KMT had trouble before was because there were not many new
>> > faces. People want to see a new generation take over. Now, Ma
>> > Ying-jeou is the new face, the new generation.
>> >
>> > But one man alone cannot do everything. He must bring in a new team of
>> > people, people in their 50s and 40s. Of course, he needs to keep a few
>> > 60- or 70-year-old people for continuity. But the majority with the
>> > new ideas and policies will come from people in their 40s and early
>> > 50s. They have the ideas and the energy to implement their ideas.
>> >
>> > Having a global view is a plus. People can learn quickly. Usually
>> > leaders grow up with a domestic orientation. Not everybody has the
>> > advantage of having seen the world. Studying abroad is useful. When
>> > they take over leadership in their 40s or 50s, the world they saw in
>> > their 20s was 20 or 30 years ago.
>> >
>> > Today, with air travel and satellite TV, it is easy to learn about
>> > global issues, but it will be better if you visit their countries and
>> > their leaders personally.
>> >
>> > I go to China every year because it is changing very fast. It is not
>> > just Beijing, Shanghai, Guangzhou, Dalian, Qindao, the whole country
>> > is changing. I went to Shenyang recently. I had not been there for 12
>> > years. The city is totally different. The pollution is suppressed. The
>> > roads have four lanes each way. You feel the country is on the move,
>> > and Liaoning has a dynamic leader, Li Keqiang, very smart and
>> > determined.
>> >
>> > My son, the PM, visited Shenyang last year and he told me it is worth
>> > visiting. I found it very interesting. I can read everything about
>> > China from reports. But going there gives me a deeper understanding
>> > than reading reports because I meet the people and see the places.
>> > This is a disadvantage for Taiwan's leaders. You have a rule that no
>> > minister can visit the mainland. That's a mistake. They do not know
>> > what is on the other side.
>> >
>> > It is not old China anymore. China is changing day by day and posing a
>> > very serious challenge to the world and most immediately to its
>> > neighbours. China's challenge is particularly to Taiwan, especially as
>> > China wants to convince Taiwan that Taiwan cannot move away and seek
>> > independence. China is not keen in forcing Taiwan into early
>> > reunification. It is comfortable with the status quo. Americans are
>> > also comfortable with the status quo. Taiwan is progressing
>> > peacefully. Taiwan gets technology from the US, and sends older
>> > technology to China. China is quite happy. But if you move away and
>> > try to be independent, then Taiwan forces China to use all means to
>> > stop the move.
>> >
>> > (more)
>
Re: Why you must visit China [message #225090 ] Fr, 14 Juli 2006 12:57
Komin  
Feelers ,

why bother about LKY,

all the time LKY,
LKY ,LKY ,

Lee Kuan Yew is out date date.

Fukke Lee Kuan Yew .



Feelers wrote:
> china's leaders is using LKY, a known hater of the Chinese Communist Party
> and all their achievements, to their end.
> LKY thinks he has the upper hand but he is only a dot, a pawn. he is not
> smart. he is an egomaniac. this fella thought he can teach the 'chinese
> communists' a thing or two about 'management.. vwell where is your suzchou
> gamble going?? eh???
> China will wait for an opportune moment, at a time of their choosing, to
> squash this little fly and his entire descendants.
> small man like to wear big clothes.
> he can dance and honeymoon with his low level american friends..he can;t
> even get an audience with bush the monster.. not even his son can smell the
> odour of bush's shaven face.
> ha! dream of emulating "israel"...
>
>
> "ltlee1" <ltlee1 [at] hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1152830926.595938.226100 [at] 75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
> > Micky Wong wrote:
> >> According to Lee Kuan Yew:
> >>
> >> "Taiwan gets technology from the US, and sends older technology to
> >> China. China is quite happy. But if you move away and
> >> try to be independent, then Taiwan forces China to use all means to stop
> >> the move."
> >>
> >> This view from the infamous or venerable ( depending on one's own view
> >> of the world ), Oxford educated godfather of oriental mafia, is nothing
> >> but a candid blackmail of a 21st century terrorist. Has Mr Lee already
> >> forgotten? when Singapore was breaking away from Malaysia, Malaysia
> >> people and their government had demonstrated lot more civility towards
> >> the tiny city-state Singapore.
> >>
> >> What Mr. Lee had said, proved yet once again to the entire world, China
> >> remains a barbaric monster.
> >
> > Singapore breaking away from Malaysia? Who is kidding whom?
> > Someone please give Micky Wong, a history lesson.
> > .
> >
> >
> >>
> >> Every freedom-loving human on our planet, especially Taiwanese beware.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ppp [at] yahoo.com wrote:
> >> > Below is an excerpt of an interview with Singapore's Lee Kuan Yew.
> >> > Read the excerpt and then read the whole interview. I think there
> >> > will be much for everyone to think deeply on.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Taiwan Must Accept the Rise of China
> >> > Straits Times, June 24, 2006
> >> > http://www.taiwansecurity.org/ST/2006/ST-240606.htm
> >> >
> >> > (snip)
> >> >
> >> > If the KMT wants to succeed, it must bring in new leaders. One of the
> >> > reasons why KMT had trouble before was because there were not many new
> >> > faces. People want to see a new generation take over. Now, Ma
> >> > Ying-jeou is the new face, the new generation.
> >> >
> >> > But one man alone cannot do everything. He must bring in a new team of
> >> > people, people in their 50s and 40s. Of course, he needs to keep a few
> >> > 60- or 70-year-old people for continuity. But the majority with the
> >> > new ideas and policies will come from people in their 40s and early
> >> > 50s. They have the ideas and the energy to implement their ideas.
> >> >
> >> > Having a global view is a plus. People can learn quickly. Usually
> >> > leaders grow up with a domestic orientation. Not everybody has the
> >> > advantage of having seen the world. Studying abroad is useful. When
> >> > they take over leadership in their 40s or 50s, the world they saw in
> >> > their 20s was 20 or 30 years ago.
> >> >
> >> > Today, with air travel and satellite TV, it is easy to learn about
> >> > global issues, but it will be better if you visit their countries and
> >> > their leaders personally.
> >> >
> >> > I go to China every year because it is changing very fast. It is not
> >> > just Beijing, Shanghai, Guangzhou, Dalian, Qindao, the whole country
> >> > is changing. I went to Shenyang recently. I had not been there for 12
> >> > years. The city is totally different. The pollution is suppressed. The
> >> > roads have four lanes each way. You feel the country is on the move,
> >> > and Liaoning has a dynamic leader, Li Keqiang, very smart and
> >> > determined.
> >> >
> >> > My son, the PM, visited Shenyang last year and he told me it is worth
> >> > visiting. I found it very interesting. I can read everything about
> >> > China from reports. But going there gives me a deeper understanding
> >> > than reading reports because I meet the people and see the places.
> >> > This is a disadvantage for Taiwan's leaders. You have a rule that no
> >> > minister can visit the mainland. That's a mistake. They do not know
> >> > what is on the other side.
> >> >
> >> > It is not old China anymore. China is changing day by day and posing a
> >> > very serious challenge to the world and most immediately to its
> >> > neighbours. China's challenge is particularly to Taiwan, especially as
> >> > China wants to convince Taiwan that Taiwan cannot move away and seek
> >> > independence. China is not keen in forcing Taiwan into early
> >> > reunification. It is comfortable with the status quo. Americans are
> >> > also comfortable with the status quo. Taiwan is progressing
> >> > peacefully. Taiwan gets technology from the US, and sends older
> >> > technology to China. China is quite happy. But if you move away and
> >> > try to be independent, then Taiwan forces China to use all means to
> >> > stop the move.
> >> >
> >> > (more)
> >
Vorheriges Thema:Re: As reported in Lebanon
Nächstes Thema:顏大和:「釋群疑幹嘛? 向貪污罪犯領賞金比較實在啦!」
Gehe zu:
  


aktuelle Zeit: So Mai 27 18:09:35 CEST 2012

Insgesamt benötigte Zeit, um die Seite zu erzeugen: 0,08654 Sekunden
.:: Startseite - Hinweise - Impressum ::.

Powered