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Culture & Politics » soc.culture.china » Re: Families Are Out of Date
| Re: Families Are Out of Date [message #225136] |
Fr, 14 Juli 2006 15:49 |
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are you advocating communal marriage?
On Fri, 14 Jul 2006 17:14:11 -0700, "dd" <dd [at] d.com> wrote:
> NEW FORMS OF collectivities will have to come into being. I would not like
>to call them a "society," just to avoid the confusion between the words. I
>call the new collectivity a "commune." The word is significant. It means:
>where people are not only living together, but where people are in deep
>communion.
>
> To live together is one thing -- we are doing it. Every city, every
>town, thousands of people are living together -- but what togetherness is
>there? People don't know even their neighbors. They live in the same
>skyscraper, thousands of people, and they never come to know that they are
>living in the same house. It is not togetherness, because there is no
>communion. It is simply a crowd, not a community. So I would like to replace
>the word "society" with the word "commune."
>
> Society has existed on certain basic principles. You will have to
>remove them; otherwise the society will not disappear. The first and the
>most important unit of the society has been the family. If the family
>remains the way it is, then the society cannot disappear, then religions
>cannot disappear. Then we cannot create one world, one humanity.
>
> The family is the root cause of millions of diseases; it is the basic
>brick that nations are made of, races are made of, religious organizations
>are made of.
>
> And the family has destroyed the blissfulness of men and women of the
>whole of mankind.
>
> Today in the West every third marriage ends in divorce with all the
>horrible legal battles over kids and possessions. A majority of all violent
>crimes and murders in the world happen within the family between family
>members.
>
> The basic structure of the family is of possessiveness: the husband
>possesses the wife and they both possess the children; and the moment you
>possess a human being you have taken away his dignity, his freedom, his very
>humanity. You have taken away all that is beautiful and you have given him
>only handcuffs; perhaps made of gold -- beautiful cages in place of his
>wings -- but those golden cages cannot give him the sky and the freedom of
>the sky.
>
> The family tries to disconnect you from the whole society, just as the
>nation divides you from other nations; it is the same strategy of division.
>
> Once the family is gone, much of psychological disease will be gone;
>much of political insanity will be gone.
>
> So the first thing is, a model commune will not have families.
>
> The implication is clear: it will not have marriages.
>
> Love, for the first time, should be given the respect that has been
>its due for centuries. Love should be the only law between two human beings.
>If they decide to live together, only joy should be their binding force. And
>remember, like everything real, love also changes. Only unreal things,
>plastic things, remain permanent.
>
> Marriage is permanent, but it gains permanence by killing love.
>
> It is on the grave of love that marriage makes its house. Naturally it
>brings only agony, anguish, suffering, slavery and a total destruction of
>man's spirituality.
>
> A model commune will be a communion, a gathering of free spirits.
>
> Children should belong to the commune, not to the parents. Parents
>have done enough harm; they cannot be allowed to corrupt their children
>anymore -- although their intentions are all good. But what to do with their
>good intentions? The results are all ugly.
>
> They teach their children to be competitive, and competition brings
>jealousy. They teach their children to become somebody in the world, to
>"make a name" for themselves. That makes life a struggle, not a rejoicing
>but a continuous fight -- so destructive that it takes away all your joy,
>all your juice, all your flowers, leaving behind only skeletons fighting for
>power, for money, for position. Life becomes a battlefield.
>
> The whole blame goes to the parents. They have lived as ambitious
>beings, they have destroyed themselves. Now they go on giving to their
>children as a heritage, their unfulfilled desires, their incomplete
>ambitions. This way diseases go on from one generation to another.
>
> We have to protect children from the past.
>
> The only way is for them to belong to a commune. Children should not
>live with their parents but in communal hostels so the parents cannot poison
>their minds. Parents can meet them and spend weekends with them, but
>basically they will grow independently. And the commune should take care
>that there is no question of any religious or political ideology or
>nationality, race, caste -- all these things which divide. This is the only
>way to create a break with the past. It will help tremendously if children
>can see things in a different light.
>
> And having one father and one mother is psychologically dangerous
>because if the child is a boy, he starts imitating the father; if the child
>is a girl, she starts imitating the mother -- and great psychological
>problems arise.
>
> Father and mother should recede, and uncles and aunts should take
>their place. There should be so many uncles and so many aunts...perhaps the
>mother should be the chief aunt and the father should be the chief uncle,
>but not more than that.
>
> It is good that the family is disappearing.
>
> If the children are in the hands of the commune -- I have experimented
>with it and found it immensely successful -- the children are far more
>happy, because they are far more free. No conditioning is stamped on them.
>They mature earlier, because nobody is trying to make them dependent, so
>they become independent. Nobody is trying to go out of their way to help
>them, so they have to learn how to help themselves. This brings maturity,
>clarity, a certain strength.
>
> And with the family disappearing, nations will disappear, because the
>family is the unit of the nation.
>
> So I am tremendously happy whenever I see the family disappearing,
>because I know behind it will go the nation. With it will go the so-called
>religions, because it is the family which imposes religion, nationality, and
>all kinds of things on you. Once the family is gone, who is going to force
>Christianity on you, Hinduism on you?
>
> Right now everybody is forced to be according to the ideas of others.
>
> That causes misery and great anguish, and takes all joy and gladness
>from life. Everybody should be himself and contribute to life according to
>his way, by creating music, or by creating paintings, or by writing poetry,
>or by producing better fruit, better crops, making better roads. Everyone
>should be allowed to have his own potential fulfilled.
>
> A model commune will give dignity to every individual.
>
> A model commune will create as much intelligence as possible, and will
>allow people to grow intelligently, to search and seek for their truth,
>because that is how one becomes more intelligent.
>
> By searching and seeking, intelligence is sharpened like a sword.
>
> Man has lived in unintelligence because all the religions of the world
>have emphasized only one thing: belief. And belief is poison to
>intelligence.
>
> They have emphasized only one thing: faith. And faith is against all
>growth.
>
> The new man I conceive will not have any belief system and will not
>have any faith.
>
> He will be a seeker, a searcher, an enquirer; his life will be a life
>of tremendous discovery, discoveries in the outside world and discoveries in
>the inside too.
>
> I want every human being to be a discoverer: a Galileo, a Copernicus,
>a Columbus in the outside world; and a Gautam Buddha, a Zarathustra, a
>Chuang Tzu in the inside world. My whole effort is concentrated on one
>thing: to create the new man as "Zorba the Buddha."
>
> In a model commune everybody will have both qualities, the qualities
>of the Zorba and the qualities of the Buddha -- tremendously interested in
>the outside world, and in the same way in love with the inner search. The
>day you are both together you have become the new man, and the new man is
>going to be the savior of humanity.
>
> A commune should be a gathering of seekers, of lovers, of friends, of
>creative people in all dimensions of life. We can produce a paradise here,
>on the earth.
>
>
>
>
>Copyright © 2006 Osho International Foundation
> http://www.osho.com/Main.cfm?Area=Magazine&Language=Engl ish
>
>
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| Re: Families Are Out of Date [message #225528 ] |
Sa, 15 Juli 2006 02:12 |
|
He's starting a new religion, the Mother of All Religions.
Zorbamotherism.
"Polar Bear" <bear [at] b.com> wrote in message
news:44b7a0d3.9054500 [at] news.singnet.net.sg...
>
>
> are you advocating communal marriage?
>
> On Fri, 14 Jul 2006 17:14:11 -0700, "dd" <dd [at] d.com> wrote:
>
> > NEW FORMS OF collectivities will have to come into being. I would not
like
> >to call them a "society," just to avoid the confusion between the words.
I
> >call the new collectivity a "commune." The word is significant. It means:
> >where people are not only living together, but where people are in deep
> >communion.
> >
> > To live together is one thing -- we are doing it. Every city, every
> >town, thousands of people are living together -- but what togetherness is
> >there? People don't know even their neighbors. They live in the same
> >skyscraper, thousands of people, and they never come to know that they
are
> >living in the same house. It is not togetherness, because there is no
> >communion. It is simply a crowd, not a community. So I would like to
replace
> >the word "society" with the word "commune."
> >
> > Society has existed on certain basic principles. You will have to
> >remove them; otherwise the society will not disappear. The first and the
> >most important unit of the society has been the family. If the family
> >remains the way it is, then the society cannot disappear, then religions
> >cannot disappear. Then we cannot create one world, one humanity.
> >
> > The family is the root cause of millions of diseases; it is the
basic
> >brick that nations are made of, races are made of, religious
organizations
> >are made of.
> >
> > And the family has destroyed the blissfulness of men and women of
the
> >whole of mankind.
> >
> > Today in the West every third marriage ends in divorce with all the
> >horrible legal battles over kids and possessions. A majority of all
violent
> >crimes and murders in the world happen within the family between family
> >members.
> >
> > The basic structure of the family is of possessiveness: the husband
> >possesses the wife and they both possess the children; and the moment you
> >possess a human being you have taken away his dignity, his freedom, his
very
> >humanity. You have taken away all that is beautiful and you have given
him
> >only handcuffs; perhaps made of gold -- beautiful cages in place of his
> >wings -- but those golden cages cannot give him the sky and the freedom
of
> >the sky.
> >
> > The family tries to disconnect you from the whole society, just as
the
> >nation divides you from other nations; it is the same strategy of
division.
> >
> > Once the family is gone, much of psychological disease will be
gone;
> >much of political insanity will be gone.
> >
> > So the first thing is, a model commune will not have families.
> >
> > The implication is clear: it will not have marriages.
> >
> > Love, for the first time, should be given the respect that has been
> >its due for centuries. Love should be the only law between two human
beings.
> >If they decide to live together, only joy should be their binding force.
And
> >remember, like everything real, love also changes. Only unreal things,
> >plastic things, remain permanent.
> >
> > Marriage is permanent, but it gains permanence by killing love.
> >
> > It is on the grave of love that marriage makes its house. Naturally
it
> >brings only agony, anguish, suffering, slavery and a total destruction of
> >man's spirituality.
> >
> > A model commune will be a communion, a gathering of free spirits.
> >
> > Children should belong to the commune, not to the parents. Parents
> >have done enough harm; they cannot be allowed to corrupt their children
> >anymore -- although their intentions are all good. But what to do with
their
> >good intentions? The results are all ugly.
> >
> > They teach their children to be competitive, and competition brings
> >jealousy. They teach their children to become somebody in the world, to
> >"make a name" for themselves. That makes life a struggle, not a rejoicing
> >but a continuous fight -- so destructive that it takes away all your joy,
> >all your juice, all your flowers, leaving behind only skeletons fighting
for
> >power, for money, for position. Life becomes a battlefield.
> >
> > The whole blame goes to the parents. They have lived as ambitious
> >beings, they have destroyed themselves. Now they go on giving to their
> >children as a heritage, their unfulfilled desires, their incomplete
> >ambitions. This way diseases go on from one generation to another.
> >
> > We have to protect children from the past.
> >
> > The only way is for them to belong to a commune. Children should
not
> >live with their parents but in communal hostels so the parents cannot
poison
> >their minds. Parents can meet them and spend weekends with them, but
> >basically they will grow independently. And the commune should take care
> >that there is no question of any religious or political ideology or
> >nationality, race, caste -- all these things which divide. This is the
only
> >way to create a break with the past. It will help tremendously if
children
> >can see things in a different light.
> >
> > And having one father and one mother is psychologically dangerous
> >because if the child is a boy, he starts imitating the father; if the
child
> >is a girl, she starts imitating the mother -- and great psychological
> >problems arise.
> >
> > Father and mother should recede, and uncles and aunts should take
> >their place. There should be so many uncles and so many aunts...perhaps
the
> >mother should be the chief aunt and the father should be the chief uncle,
> >but not more than that.
> >
> > It is good that the family is disappearing.
> >
> > If the children are in the hands of the commune -- I have
experimented
> >with it and found it immensely successful -- the children are far more
> >happy, because they are far more free. No conditioning is stamped on
them.
> >They mature earlier, because nobody is trying to make them dependent, so
> >they become independent. Nobody is trying to go out of their way to help
> >them, so they have to learn how to help themselves. This brings maturity,
> >clarity, a certain strength.
> >
> > And with the family disappearing, nations will disappear, because
the
> >family is the unit of the nation.
> >
> > So I am tremendously happy whenever I see the family disappearing,
> >because I know behind it will go the nation. With it will go the
so-called
> >religions, because it is the family which imposes religion, nationality,
and
> >all kinds of things on you. Once the family is gone, who is going to
force
> >Christianity on you, Hinduism on you?
> >
> > Right now everybody is forced to be according to the ideas of
others.
> >
> > That causes misery and great anguish, and takes all joy and
gladness
> >from life. Everybody should be himself and contribute to life according
to
> >his way, by creating music, or by creating paintings, or by writing
poetry,
> >or by producing better fruit, better crops, making better roads. Everyone
> >should be allowed to have his own potential fulfilled.
> >
> > A model commune will give dignity to every individual.
> >
> > A model commune will create as much intelligence as possible, and
will
> >allow people to grow intelligently, to search and seek for their truth,
> >because that is how one becomes more intelligent.
> >
> > By searching and seeking, intelligence is sharpened like a sword.
> >
> > Man has lived in unintelligence because all the religions of the
world
> >have emphasized only one thing: belief. And belief is poison to
> >intelligence.
> >
> > They have emphasized only one thing: faith. And faith is against
all
> >growth.
> >
> > The new man I conceive will not have any belief system and will not
> >have any faith.
> >
> > He will be a seeker, a searcher, an enquirer; his life will be a
life
> >of tremendous discovery, discoveries in the outside world and discoveries
in
> >the inside too.
> >
> > I want every human being to be a discoverer: a Galileo, a
Copernicus,
> >a Columbus in the outside world; and a Gautam Buddha, a Zarathustra, a
> >Chuang Tzu in the inside world. My whole effort is concentrated on one
> >thing: to create the new man as "Zorba the Buddha."
> >
> > In a model commune everybody will have both qualities, the
qualities
> >of the Zorba and the qualities of the Buddha -- tremendously interested
in
> >the outside world, and in the same way in love with the inner search. The
> >day you are both together you have become the new man, and the new man is
> >going to be the savior of humanity.
> >
> > A commune should be a gathering of seekers, of lovers, of friends,
of
> >creative people in all dimensions of life. We can produce a paradise
here,
> >on the earth.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >Copyright © 2006 Osho International Foundation
> > http://www.osho.com/Main.cfm?Area=Magazine&Language=Engl ish
> >
> >
>
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