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Israel kills 32 civilians, including 15 children, in air strikes: [message #225543] So, 16 Juli 2006 13:27
SimonBeik  
Israel kills 32 civilians, including 15 children, in air strikes:

By Laila Bassam

An Israeli missile incinerated a van in south Lebanon, killing 20
people, among them 15 children, in the deadliest single attack of the
four-day-old campaign launched by Israel after Hizbollah captured two
of its soldiers and killed eight. Continue

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article13996.htm

Israel Murders women and children by Weapons supplied by US.

Have no doubt that Americans shall pay a very heavy price for
SUPPORTING, AND ARMING ILLEGAL TERRORISTS OCCUPYING PALESTINE AND
LEBANON
Re: Israel kills 32 civilians, including 15 children, in air strikes: [message #225619 ] So, 16 Juli 2006 21:31
Mohammed Silverstein  
"???? ??????? ?????? ? ?????? ;-(???U?§â?IÐ_SBR_­X|||)-:"
<SimonBeik [at] gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1153049236.611725.87380 [at] s13g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> Israel kills 32 civilians, including 15 children, in air strikes:
>
> By Laila Bassam
>
> An Israeli missile incinerated a van in south Lebanon, killing 20
> people, among them 15 children, in the deadliest single attack of the
> four-day-old campaign launched by Israel after Hizbollah captured two
> of its soldiers and killed eight. Continue
>
> http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article13996.htm
>
> Israel Murders women and children by Weapons supplied by US.
>
> Have no doubt that Americans shall pay a very heavy price for
> SUPPORTING, AND ARMING ILLEGAL TERRORISTS OCCUPYING PALESTINE AND
> LEBANON
>

The Hezzies decided to sacrifice the Lebanese while they play their juvenile
games.

The only hope is that stem cell research will one day be able to grow brain
cells for the Arabs and they'll kick out the bad boys.
Re: Israel kills 32 civilians, including 15 children, in air strikes: [message #225629 ] So, 16 Juli 2006 22:31
ltlee1  
Can someone explain Israel's relatively indiscriminate air strikes?

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=D8=AE=D8=B4=D9=86=D8=AF=DB=95 =D9=88 =D9=85=D9=87=D8=B1=D8=A8=D8=A7=D9=86
;-(=E2=95=A0=DB=9E=E2=95=A3=C7=99=E2=88=91=C2=A7=C3=A2=E2=82 =ACI=C3=90_SBR_=
=C2=ADX|||)-: wrote:
> Israel kills 32 civilians, including 15 children, in air strikes:
>
> By Laila Bassam
>
> An Israeli missile incinerated a van in south Lebanon, killing 20
> people, among them 15 children, in the deadliest single attack of the
> four-day-old campaign launched by Israel after Hizbollah captured two
> of its soldiers and killed eight. Continue
>
> http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article13996.htm
>
> Israel Murders women and children by Weapons supplied by US.
>
> Have no doubt that Americans shall pay a very heavy price for
> SUPPORTING, AND ARMING ILLEGAL TERRORISTS OCCUPYING PALESTINE AND
> LEBANON
Re: Israel kills 32 civilians, including 15 children, in air strikes: [message #225641 ] So, 16 Juli 2006 23:30
richasiankid  
No I can't.

But some may say it's US foreign policy in action.....From CNN and
other networks, one gets the impression that Israel is always right!

ltlee1 wrote:
> Can someone explain Israel's relatively indiscriminate air strikes?
>
> =D8=A8=D9=86=D8=A7=D9=85 =D8=AE=D8=AF=D8=A7=D9=88=D9=86=D8=AF=D9=A5 =D8=
=A8=D8=AE=D8=B4=D9=86=D8=AF=DB=95 =D9=88 =D9=85=D9=87=D8=B1=D8=A8=D8=A7=D9=
=86
> ;-(=E2=95=A0=DB=9E=E2=95=A3=C7=99=E2=88=91=C2=A7=C3=A2=E2=82 =ACI=C3=90_SB=
R_=C2=ADX|||)-: wrote:
> > Israel kills 32 civilians, including 15 children, in air strikes:
> >
> > By Laila Bassam
> >
> > An Israeli missile incinerated a van in south Lebanon, killing 20
> > people, among them 15 children, in the deadliest single attack of the
> > four-day-old campaign launched by Israel after Hizbollah captured two
> > of its soldiers and killed eight. Continue
> >
> > http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article13996.htm
> >
> > Israel Murders women and children by Weapons supplied by US.
> >
> > Have no doubt that Americans shall pay a very heavy price for
> > SUPPORTING, AND ARMING ILLEGAL TERRORISTS OCCUPYING PALESTINE AND
> > LEBANON
Re: Israel kills 32 civilians, including 15 children, in air strikes: [message #225648 ] Mo, 17 Juli 2006 00:19
Mohammed Silverstein  
"ltlee1" <ltlee1 [at] hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1153081916.787732.240940 [at] 75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
Can someone explain Israel's relatively indiscriminate air strikes?

Can someone explain why the Hezzies kidnapped two Israeli soldiers and fired
rockets into Israel triggering the current crisis?


???? ??????? ?????? ? ??????
;-(???U?§â?IÐ_SBR_­X|||)-: wrote:
> Israel kills 32 civilians, including 15 children, in air strikes:
>
> By Laila Bassam
>
> An Israeli missile incinerated a van in south Lebanon, killing 20
> people, among them 15 children, in the deadliest single attack of the
> four-day-old campaign launched by Israel after Hizbollah captured two
> of its soldiers and killed eight. Continue
>
> http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article13996.htm
>
> Israel Murders women and children by Weapons supplied by US.
>
> Have no doubt that Americans shall pay a very heavy price for
> SUPPORTING, AND ARMING ILLEGAL TERRORISTS OCCUPYING PALESTINE AND
> LEBANON
Re: Israel kills 32 civilians, including 15 children, in air strikes: [message #225649 ] Mo, 17 Juli 2006 00:21
Mohammed Silverstein  
"RichAsianKid" <richasiankid [at] hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1153085428.180140.95330 [at] m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
No I can't.

But some may say it's US foreign policy in action.....From CNN and
other networks, one gets the impression that Israel is always right!

Who cares, retard? Press the button on your remote labeled "channel".

If you don't have a brain, it's not our fault. Your cranium may be empty but
look on the bright side...it makes a great penny jar!

ltlee1 wrote:
> Can someone explain Israel's relatively indiscriminate air strikes?
>
> ???? ??????? ?????? ? ??????
> ;-(???U?§â?IÐ_SBR_­X|||)-: wrote:
> > Israel kills 32 civilians, including 15 children, in air strikes:
> >
> > By Laila Bassam
> >
> > An Israeli missile incinerated a van in south Lebanon, killing 20
> > people, among them 15 children, in the deadliest single attack of the
> > four-day-old campaign launched by Israel after Hizbollah captured two
> > of its soldiers and killed eight. Continue
> >
> > http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article13996.htm
> >
> > Israel Murders women and children by Weapons supplied by US.
> >
> > Have no doubt that Americans shall pay a very heavy price for
> > SUPPORTING, AND ARMING ILLEGAL TERRORISTS OCCUPYING PALESTINE AND
> > LEBANON
Re: Israel kills 32 civilians, including 15 children, in air strikes: [message #225662 ] Mo, 17 Juli 2006 01:43
demorising  
ltlee1 wrote:
> Can someone explain Israel's relatively indiscriminate air strikes?

This shot is well-aimed:

http://www.theage.com.au/ffximage/2006/01/16/svIRAN_wideweb_ _470x326,0.jpg
Re: Israel kills 32 civilians, including 15 children, in air strikes: [message #225675 ] Mo, 17 Juli 2006 03:47
richasiankid  
Mohammed Silverstein wrote:
> "RichAsianKid" <richasiankid [at] hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1153085428.180140.95330 [at] m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
> No I can't.
>
> But some may say it's US foreign policy in action.....From CNN and
> other networks, one gets the impression that Israel is always right!
>
> Who cares, retard? Press the button on your remote labeled "channel".
>
> If you don't have a brain, it's not our fault. Your cranium may be empty =
but
> look on the bright side...it makes a great penny jar!

So you don't care if Israel is right or not? Er, ok.

>
> ltlee1 wrote:
> > Can someone explain Israel's relatively indiscriminate air strikes?
> >
> > ???? ??????? ?????? ? ??????
> > ;-(???U?=A7=E2?I=D0_SBR_=ADX|||)-: wrote:
> > > Israel kills 32 civilians, including 15 children, in air strikes:
> > >
> > > By Laila Bassam
> > >
> > > An Israeli missile incinerated a van in south Lebanon, killing 20
> > > people, among them 15 children, in the deadliest single attack of the
> > > four-day-old campaign launched by Israel after Hizbollah captured two
> > > of its soldiers and killed eight. Continue
> > >
> > > http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article13996.htm
> > >
> > > Israel Murders women and children by Weapons supplied by US.
> > >
> > > Have no doubt that Americans shall pay a very heavy price for
> > > SUPPORTING, AND ARMING ILLEGAL TERRORISTS OCCUPYING PALESTINE AND
> > > LEBANON
Re: Israel kills 32 civilians, including 15 children, in air strikes: [message #225772 ] Mo, 17 Juli 2006 12:22
ltlee1  
Mohammed Silverstein wrote:
> "ltlee1" <ltlee1 [at] hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1153081916.787732.240940 [at] 75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
> Can someone explain Israel's relatively indiscriminate air strikes?
>
> Can someone explain why the Hezzies kidnapped two Israeli soldiers and fi=
red
> rockets into Israel triggering the current crisis?

Were they not responding to Israel's bombing and killing the
palestinians in Gaza?
Let us assume that the Hizbollah was wrong in "kidnapping" the Israeli
soldiers and fired rockets into Isarel. It still does not explain
Israel's relatively indiscriminate air strikes. Is killing innocents
civilians the only way Israel can respond? If so, why?
>
>
> ???? ??????? ?????? ? ??????
> ;-(???U?=A7=E2?I=D0_SBR_=ADX|||)-: wrote:
> > Israel kills 32 civilians, including 15 children, in air strikes:
> >
> > By Laila Bassam
> >
> > An Israeli missile incinerated a van in south Lebanon, killing 20
> > people, among them 15 children, in the deadliest single attack of the
> > four-day-old campaign launched by Israel after Hizbollah captured two
> > of its soldiers and killed eight. Continue
> >
> > http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article13996.htm
> >
> > Israel Murders women and children by Weapons supplied by US.
> >
> > Have no doubt that Americans shall pay a very heavy price for
> > SUPPORTING, AND ARMING ILLEGAL TERRORISTS OCCUPYING PALESTINE AND
> > LEBANON
Re: Israel kills 32 civilians, including 15 children, in air strikes: [message #225773 ] Mo, 17 Juli 2006 12:27
ltlee1  
demorising [at] aol.com wrote:
> ltlee1 wrote:
> > Can someone explain Israel's relatively indiscriminate air strikes?
>
> This shot is well-aimed:
>
> http://www.theage.com.au/ffximage/2006/01/16/svIRAN_wideweb_ _470x326,0.jpg

Well aimed? At the civilians, may be.

The strikes "has killed a total 162 people, all but 13 of them
civilians."

http://today.reuters.com/news/newsArticle.aspx?type=newsOne& amp;storyID=2006-07-17T042028Z_01_L11538533_RTRUKOC_0_US-MID EAST.xml&pageNumber=1&imageid=&cap=&sz=13&am p;WTModLoc=NewsArt-C1-ArticlePage1
Re: Israel kills 32 civilians, including 15 children, in air strikes: [message #225775 ] Mo, 17 Juli 2006 12:30
Mohammed Silverstein  
<richasiankid [at] hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1153100834.511939.301020 [at] 35g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...

Mohammed Silverstein wrote:
> "RichAsianKid" <richasiankid [at] hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1153085428.180140.95330 [at] m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
> No I can't.
>
> But some may say it's US foreign policy in action.....From CNN and
> other networks, one gets the impression that Israel is always right!
>
> Who cares, retard? Press the button on your remote labeled "channel".
>
> If you don't have a brain, it's not our fault. Your cranium may be empty
> but
> look on the bright side...it makes a great penny jar!

So you don't care if Israel is right or not? Er, ok.



No. The simple fact is the Hezzies kidnapped two soldiers and fired rockets
into Israel. In simple terms, they started it.

In the bigger tit-for-tat picture, it's meaningless to claim that one
started it. They are both victims and both aggressors.

The Hezzies got more than they bargained for though. Israel is calling up
reserves and may invade Lebanon soon.

I guess they got tired of it all? In any case, it seems the Hezzies are
quite happy to sacrifice Lebanon and its people for their childish game.
Re: Israel kills 32 civilians, including 15 children, in air strikes: [message #226152 ] Mo, 17 Juli 2006 17:13
lechergod  
that is communists' dog to yell innocent innocent innocent innocent
innocent to resist retaliation, but advocates terrorist !!!!!
that is why communists' dog is communists' dog !!!!


ltlee1 wrote:

> Mohammed Silverstein wrote:
>
>>"ltlee1" <ltlee1 [at] hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>news:1153081916.787732.240940 [at] 75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
>>Can someone explain Israel's relatively indiscriminate air strikes?
>>
>>Can someone explain why the Hezzies kidnapped two Israeli soldiers and fired
>>rockets into Israel triggering the current crisis?
>
>
> Were they not responding to Israel's bombing and killing the
> palestinians in Gaza?
> Let us assume that the Hizbollah was wrong in "kidnapping" the Israeli
> soldiers and fired rockets into Isarel. It still does not explain
> Israel's relatively indiscriminate air strikes. Is killing innocents
> civilians the only way Israel can respond? If so, why?
>
>>
>>???? ??????? ?????? ? ??????
>>;-(???U?§â?IÐ_SBR_­X|||)-: wrote:
>>
>>>Israel kills 32 civilians, including 15 children, in air strikes:
>>>
>>> By Laila Bassam
>>>
>>> An Israeli missile incinerated a van in south Lebanon, killing 20
>>>people, among them 15 children, in the deadliest single attack of the
>>>four-day-old campaign launched by Israel after Hizbollah captured two
>>>of its soldiers and killed eight. Continue
>>>
>>>http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article13996.htm
>>>
>>>Israel Murders women and children by Weapons supplied by US.
>>>
>>>Have no doubt that Americans shall pay a very heavy price for
>>>SUPPORTING, AND ARMING ILLEGAL TERRORISTS OCCUPYING PALESTINE AND
>>>LEBANON
>
>

---

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Re: Israel kills 32 civilians, including 15 children, in air strikes: [message #226186 ] Mo, 17 Juli 2006 19:02
bmoore  
ltlee1 wrote:
> demorising [at] aol.com wrote:
> > ltlee1 wrote:
> > > Can someone explain Israel's relatively indiscriminate air strikes?
> >
> > This shot is well-aimed:
> >
> > http://www.theage.com.au/ffximage/2006/01/16/svIRAN_wideweb_ _470x326,0.jpg
>
> Well aimed? At the civilians, may be.
>
> The strikes "has killed a total 162 people, all but 13 of them
> civilians."
>
> http://today.reuters.com/news/newsArticle.aspx?type=newsOne& amp;storyID=2006-07-17T042028Z_01_L11538533_RTRUKOC_0_US-MID EAST.xml&pageNumber=1&imageid=&cap=&sz=13&am p;WTModLoc=NewsArt-C1-ArticlePage1

It obviously might be said that Israel is overreacting.

However, if you were intellectually honest, you might also mention that
Israel has been making an effort to get civilians to leave areas before
they bomb them.

See how that works? It's called trying to make a fair analysis. Maybe
you should try it some time.
Re: Israel kills 32 civilians, including 15 children, in air strikes: [message #226198 ] Mo, 17 Juli 2006 19:29
bmoore  
ltlee1 wrote:
> Mohammed Silverstein wrote:
> > "ltlee1" <ltlee1 [at] hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:1153081916.787732.240940 [at] 75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
> > Can someone explain Israel's relatively indiscriminate air strikes?
> >
> > Can someone explain why the Hezzies kidnapped two Israeli soldiers and =
fired
> > rockets into Israel triggering the current crisis?
>
> Were they not responding to Israel's bombing and killing the
> palestinians in Gaza?

No, they weren't, not really. While the two events are now tied
together, the leader of Hezbollah has admitted that they had been
planning to do this for months.

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/07/13/world/middleeast/13mideast .html

"The prisoners will not be returned except through one way -
indirect negotiations and a trade," said the leader of Hezbollah,
Sheik Hassan Nasrallah, speaking to reporters in Beirut on Wednesday.
He suggested the possibility of a deal. "The capture of the two
soldiers could provide a solution to the Gaza crisis," he said. The
operation had been planned for months, he said, though he added, "The
timing, no doubt, provides support for our brothers in Palestine."
------
So to repeat the question, can someone explain why Hezbollah kidnapped
two Israeli soldiers and fired rockets into Israel triggering the
current crisis?

Perhaps this sheds some light:

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/07/16/world/middleeast/16hezboll ah.html

Israel's shelling of Gaza provided Hezbollah with an opportunity to
show solidarity with its Islamic brethren there.

But analysts pointed to other motives. Hezbollah needs to reassert its
right to maintain its own heavily armed militia against ever louder
domestic calls for its disarmament, and its actions burnish its
backers, Iran and Syria, as they face Western attempts to combat and
isolate them.
----------------
In other words, Hezbollah did it mainly to stir up trouble in support
of its own legitimacy, and in support of Syria and Iran. And of course
the timing was such that it also supports Hamas in Gaza. Though I don't
really see how it's helping Hamas much.

At any rate, any honest criticism of Israel's strong reaction should
also take note of Hezbollah's motives in bringing this on.











> Let us assume that the Hizbollah was wrong in "kidnapping" the Israeli
> soldiers and fired rockets into Isarel. It still does not explain
> Israel's relatively indiscriminate air strikes. Is killing innocents
> civilians the only way Israel can respond? If so, why?
> >
> >
> > ???? ??????? ?????? ? ??????
> > ;-(???U?=A7=E2?I=D0_SBR_=ADX|||)-: wrote:
> > > Israel kills 32 civilians, including 15 children, in air strikes:
> > >
> > > By Laila Bassam
> > >
> > > An Israeli missile incinerated a van in south Lebanon, killing 20
> > > people, among them 15 children, in the deadliest single attack of the
> > > four-day-old campaign launched by Israel after Hizbollah captured two
> > > of its soldiers and killed eight. Continue
> > >
> > > http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article13996.htm
> > >
> > > Israel Murders women and children by Weapons supplied by US.
> > >
> > > Have no doubt that Americans shall pay a very heavy price for
> > > SUPPORTING, AND ARMING ILLEGAL TERRORISTS OCCUPYING PALESTINE AND
> > > LEBANON
Re: Israel kills 32 civilians, including 15 children, in air strikes: [message #226223 ] Mo, 17 Juli 2006 21:01
demorising  
ltlee1 wrote:
> demorising [at] aol.com wrote:
> > ltlee1 wrote:
> > > Can someone explain Israel's relatively indiscriminate air strikes?
> >
> > This shot is well-aimed:
> >
> > http://www.theage.com.au/ffximage/2006/01/16/svIRAN_wideweb_ _470x326,0.jpg
>
> Well aimed? At the civilians, may be.
>
> The strikes "has killed a total 162 people, all but 13 of them
> civilians."
>
> http://today.reuters.com/news/newsArticle.aspx?type=newsOne& amp;storyID=2006-07-17T042028Z_01_L11538533_RTRUKOC_0_US-MID EAST.xml&pageNumber=1&imageid=&cap=&sz=13&am p;WTModLoc=NewsArt-C1-ArticlePage1

This "162 all but 13" does not include the many Hizbollah terrorists
that have been killed. Do you really think the Hizbollah is reporting
all their fighters that have been killed to the Lebonese government?

For future reference, LTLee, are you classified as civilian or
military?
Re: Israel kills 32 civilians, including 15 children, in air strikes: [message #226231 ] Mo, 17 Juli 2006 21:26
ltlee1  
demorising [at] aol.com wrote:
> ltlee1 wrote:
> > demorising [at] aol.com wrote:
> > > ltlee1 wrote:
> > > > Can someone explain Israel's relatively indiscriminate air strikes?
> > >
> > > This shot is well-aimed:
> > >
> > > http://www.theage.com.au/ffximage/2006/01/16/svIRAN_wideweb_ _470x326,0.jpg
> >
> > Well aimed? At the civilians, may be.
> >
> > The strikes "has killed a total 162 people, all but 13 of them
> > civilians."
> >
> > http://today.reuters.com/news/newsArticle.aspx?type=newsOne& amp;storyID=2006-07-17T042028Z_01_L11538533_RTRUKOC_0_US-MID EAST.xml&pageNumber=1&imageid=&cap=&sz=13&am p;WTModLoc=NewsArt-C1-ArticlePage1
>
> This "162 all but 13" does not include the many Hizbollah terrorists
> that have been killed. Do you really think the Hizbollah is reporting
> all their fighters that have been killed to the Lebonese government?

I have no idea how reuters arrived at the number of "162 all but 13".
If you think reuters were not reliable, please state it explicitedly
and furnished a reliable figure. Until you do that, I will take the
figures as they are.

>
> For future reference, LTLee, are you classified as civilian or
> military?
Re: Israel kills 32 civilians, including 15 children, in air strikes: [message #226234 ] Mo, 17 Juli 2006 21:33
demorising  
ltlee1 wrote:
> demorising [at] aol.com wrote:
> > This "162 all but 13" does not include the many Hizbollah terrorists
> > that have been killed. Do you really think the Hizbollah is reporting
> > all their fighters that have been killed to the Lebonese government?
>
> I have no idea how reuters arrived at the number of "162 all but 13".
> If you think reuters were not reliable, please state it explicitedly

I believe the figure from reuters is an unreliable estimation of the
causualties in Lebanon for the reasons I previously stated (quoted
above).

> and furnished a reliable figure.

Clearly this is an unnecessary requirement for discounting an
unreliable figure.

> Until you do that, I will take the
> figures as they are.
>
> >
> > For future reference, LTLee, are you classified as civilian or
> > military?
Re: Israel kills 32 civilians, including 15 children, in air strikes: [message #226236 ] Mo, 17 Juli 2006 21:35
bmoore  
ltlee1 wrote:
> demorising [at] aol.com wrote:
> > ltlee1 wrote:
> > > demorising [at] aol.com wrote:
> > > > ltlee1 wrote:
> > > > > Can someone explain Israel's relatively indiscriminate air strikes?
> > > >
> > > > This shot is well-aimed:
> > > >
> > > > http://www.theage.com.au/ffximage/2006/01/16/svIRAN_wideweb_ _470x326,0.jpg
> > >
> > > Well aimed? At the civilians, may be.
> > >
> > > The strikes "has killed a total 162 people, all but 13 of them
> > > civilians."
> > >
> > > http://today.reuters.com/news/newsArticle.aspx?type=newsOne& amp;storyID=2006-07-17T042028Z_01_L11538533_RTRUKOC_0_US-MID EAST.xml&pageNumber=1&imageid=&cap=&sz=13&am p;WTModLoc=NewsArt-C1-ArticlePage1
> >
> > This "162 all but 13" does not include the many Hizbollah terrorists
> > that have been killed. Do you really think the Hizbollah is reporting
> > all their fighters that have been killed to the Lebonese government?
>
> I have no idea how reuters arrived at the number of "162 all but 13".
> If you think reuters were not reliable, please state it explicitedly
> and furnished a reliable figure. Until you do that, I will take the
> figures as they are.

That's right, if a figure supports LT's agenda, he will take it as it
is. If it does not support LT's agenda (such as reflecting badly on the
Chinese Communist Party), he will reject it.

> >
> > For future reference, LTLee, are you classified as civilian or
> > military?
Re: Israel kills 32 civilians, including 15 children, in air strikes: [message #226239 ] Mo, 17 Juli 2006 21:44
ltlee1  
demorising [at] aol.com wrote:
> ltlee1 wrote:
> > demorising [at] aol.com wrote:
> > > This "162 all but 13" does not include the many Hizbollah terrorists
> > > that have been killed. Do you really think the Hizbollah is reporting
> > > all their fighters that have been killed to the Lebonese government?
> >
> > I have no idea how reuters arrived at the number of "162 all but 13".
> > If you think reuters were not reliable, please state it explicitedly
>
> I believe the figure from reuters is an unreliable estimation of the
> causualties in Lebanon for the reasons I previously stated (quoted
> above).
>
> > and furnished a reliable figure.
>
> Clearly this is an unnecessary requirement for discounting an
> unreliable figure.

Of course it is necessary.
A claim of "162 all but 13" had been made and reported world wide. It
is fine that you dispute the claim. But then you need to provide a
counterclaim so all can evaluate your side of the argument. Else you
are only saying you don't believe it because of certain assumption.



>
> > Until you do that, I will take the
> > figures as they are.
> >
> > >
> > > For future reference, LTLee, are you classified as civilian or
> > > military?
Re: Israel kills 32 civilians, including 15 children, in air strikes: [message #226242 ] Mo, 17 Juli 2006 21:51
bmoore  
ltlee1 wrote:
> demorising [at] aol.com wrote:
> > ltlee1 wrote:
> > > demorising [at] aol.com wrote:
> > > > This "162 all but 13" does not include the many Hizbollah terrorists
> > > > that have been killed. Do you really think the Hizbollah is reporting
> > > > all their fighters that have been killed to the Lebonese government?
> > >
> > > I have no idea how reuters arrived at the number of "162 all but 13".
> > > If you think reuters were not reliable, please state it explicitedly
> >
> > I believe the figure from reuters is an unreliable estimation of the
> > causualties in Lebanon for the reasons I previously stated (quoted
> > above).
> >
> > > and furnished a reliable figure.
> >
> > Clearly this is an unnecessary requirement for discounting an
> > unreliable figure.
>
> Of course it is necessary.


Why?

In that case, I guess you have to give us a reliable estimate of how
many people have quit the CCP.

You're not fooling anyone.

>
> A claim of "162 all but 13" had been made and reported world wide. It
> is fine that you dispute the claim. But then you need to provide a
> counterclaim so all can evaluate your side of the argument. Else you
> are only saying you don't believe it because of certain assumption.
>
>
>
> >
> > > Until you do that, I will take the
> > > figures as they are.
> > >
> > > >
> > > > For future reference, LTLee, are you classified as civilian or
> > > > military?
Re: Israel kills 32 civilians, including 15 children, in air strikes: [message #227130 ] Di, 18 Juli 2006 10:17
SpammersMustDie  
"Mohammed Silverstein" <LittleMuchacho [at] TimeTraveler.au> wrote in message
news:Ruwug.9375$F_6.3156 [at] fe12.lga...
>
> "???? ??????? ?????? ? ?????? ;-(???U?§â?IÐ_SBR_­X|||)-:"
> <SimonBeik [at] gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1153049236.611725.87380 [at] s13g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>> Israel kills 32 civilians, including 15 children, in air strikes:
>>
>> By Laila Bassam
>>
>> An Israeli missile incinerated a van in south Lebanon, killing 20
>> people, among them 15 children, in the deadliest single attack of the
>> four-day-old campaign launched by Israel after Hizbollah captured two
>> of its soldiers and killed eight. Continue
>>
>> http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article13996.htm
>>
>> Israel Murders women and children by Weapons supplied by US.
>>
>> Have no doubt that Americans shall pay a very heavy price for
>> SUPPORTING, AND ARMING ILLEGAL TERRORISTS OCCUPYING PALESTINE AND
>> LEBANON
>>
>
> The Hezzies decided to sacrifice the Lebanese while they play their
> juvenile games.
>
> The only hope is that stem cell research will one day be able to grow
> brain cells for the Arabs and they'll kick out the bad boys.
>

they killed a lebanese-canadian family. how many civies are dead now? over
100 yet?
Re: Israel kills 32 civilians, including 15 children, in air strikes: [message #227144 ] Di, 18 Juli 2006 11:07
MTRP  
captain. wrote:
> "Mohammed Silverstein" wrote:
> > The only hope is that stem cell research will one day be able to grow
> > brain cells for the Arabs and they'll kick out the bad boys.
> they killed a lebanese-canadian family.

A German-Lebanese family with no Hezballah connections was killed too.
But who cares?
http://counterpunch.org/christison07172006.html
> Those who are horrified -- and there are many -- cannot penetrate
> the shield of impassivity that protects the political and media elite
> in Israel, even more so in the U.S., and increasingly now in Canada
> and Europe, from seeing, from caring.
In the meantime mucho brain cells keep growing in the White House:
http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory?id=2203237
> _Bush_Curses_Hezbollah_on_Live_Microphone_
> ST. PETERSBURG, Russia Jul 17, 2006 (AP)
> It wasn't meant to be overheard. Private luncheon conversations among
> world leaders, picked up by a microphone, provided a rare window into
> both banter and substance including President Bush cursing Hezbollah's
> attacks against Israel.
> Bush expressed his frustration with the United Nations and his disgust
> with the militant Islamic group and its backers in Syria as he talked to
> British Prime Minister Tony Blair during the closing lunch at the Group
> of Eight summit.
> "See the irony is that what they need to do is get Syria to get Hezbollah
> to stop doing this s-- and it's over," Bush told Blair as he chewed on a
> buttered roll.
"the primacy of one ethnicity or religion"Re: Israel kills 32 civilians, including 15 chil [message #227148 ] Di, 18 Juli 2006 11:23
ltlee1  
MTRP=99 wrote:
> captain. wrote:
> > "Mohammed Silverstein" wrote:
> > > The only hope is that stem cell research will one day be able to grow
> > > brain cells for the Arabs and they'll kick out the bad boys.
> > they killed a lebanese-canadian family.
>
> A German-Lebanese family with no Hezballah connections was killed too.
> But who cares?
> http://counterpunch.org/christison07172006.html
> > Those who are horrified -- and there are many -- cannot penetrate
> > the shield of impassivity that protects the political and media elite
> > in Israel, even more so in the U.S., and increasingly now in Canada
> > and Europe, from seeing, from caring.

"A nation that mandates the primacy of one ethnicity or religion over
all others will eventually become psychologically dysfunctional.
Narcissistically obsessed with its own image, it must strive to
maintain its racial superiority at all costs and will inevitably come
to view any resistance to this imagined superiority as an existential
threat. Indeed, any other people automatically becomes an existential
threat simply by virtue of its own existence. As it seeks to protect
itself against phantom threats, the racist state becomes increasingly
paranoid, its society closed and insular, intellectually limited.
Setbacks enrage it; humiliations madden it. The state lashes out in a
crazed effort, lacking any sense of proportion, to reassure itself of
its strength."

Another former CIA analyst speaking out against Israel's policy.


> In the meantime mucho brain cells keep growing in the White House:
> http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory?id=3D2203237
> > _Bush_Curses_Hezbollah_on_Live_Microphone_
> > ST. PETERSBURG, Russia Jul 17, 2006 (AP)
> > It wasn't meant to be overheard. Private luncheon conversations among
> > world leaders, picked up by a microphone, provided a rare window into
> > both banter and substance including President Bush cursing Hezbollah's
> > attacks against Israel.
> > Bush expressed his frustration with the United Nations and his disgust
> > with the militant Islamic group and its backers in Syria as he talked to
> > British Prime Minister Tony Blair during the closing lunch at the Group
> > of Eight summit.
> > "See the irony is that what they need to do is get Syria to get Hezboll=
ah
> > to stop doing this s-- and it's over," Bush told Blair as he chewed on a
> > buttered roll.
Re: "the primacy of one ethnicity or religion"Re: Israel kills 32 civilians, including 15 [message #227232 ] Di, 18 Juli 2006 18:11
bmoore  
ltlee1 wrote:
> MTRP=99 wrote:
> > captain. wrote:
> > > "Mohammed Silverstein" wrote:
> > > > The only hope is that stem cell research will one day be able to gr=
ow
> > > > brain cells for the Arabs and they'll kick out the bad boys.
> > > they killed a lebanese-canadian family.
> >
> > A German-Lebanese family with no Hezballah connections was killed too.
> > But who cares?
> > http://counterpunch.org/christison07172006.html
> > > Those who are horrified -- and there are many -- cannot penetrate
> > > the shield of impassivity that protects the political and media elite
> > > in Israel, even more so in the U.S., and increasingly now in Canada
> > > and Europe, from seeing, from caring.
>
> "A nation that mandates the primacy of one ethnicity or religion over
> all others will eventually become psychologically dysfunctional.
> Narcissistically obsessed with its own image, it must strive to
> maintain its racial superiority at all costs and will inevitably come
> to view any resistance to this imagined superiority as an existential
> threat. Indeed, any other people automatically becomes an existential
> threat simply by virtue of its own existence. As it seeks to protect
> itself against phantom threats, the racist state becomes increasingly
> paranoid, its society closed and insular, intellectually limited.
> Setbacks enrage it; humiliations madden it. The state lashes out in a
> crazed effort, lacking any sense of proportion, to reassure itself of
> its strength."
>
> Another former CIA analyst speaking out against Israel's policy.

Well, I have no way of knowing if he was speaking about Israel or if it
was really a former CIA analyst, since you didn't include a cite, but
whoever said that is leaving out the fact that a lot of people want to
wipe Israel off the face of the earth. Balanced analysis, see how that
works? There are (at least 2) sides and neither is completely right or
completely wrong.

>
> > In the meantime mucho brain cells keep growing in the White House:
> > http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory?id=3D2203237
> > > _Bush_Curses_Hezbollah_on_Live_Microphone_
> > > ST. PETERSBURG, Russia Jul 17, 2006 (AP)
> > > It wasn't meant to be overheard. Private luncheon conversations among
> > > world leaders, picked up by a microphone, provided a rare window into
> > > both banter and substance including President Bush cursing Hezbollah's
> > > attacks against Israel.
> > > Bush expressed his frustration with the United Nations and his disgust
> > > with the militant Islamic group and its backers in Syria as he talked=
to
> > > British Prime Minister Tony Blair during the closing lunch at the Gro=
up
> > > of Eight summit.
> > > "See the irony is that what they need to do is get Syria to get Hezbo=
llah
> > > to stop doing this s-- and it's over," Bush told Blair as he chewed o=
n a
> > > buttered roll.
Re: Israel kills 32 civilians, including 15 children, in air strikes: [message #227312 ] Mi, 19 Juli 2006 02:16
richasiankid  
Mohammed Silverstein wrote:
> <richasiankid [at] hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1153100834.511939.301020 [at] 35g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
>
> Mohammed Silverstein wrote:
> > "RichAsianKid" <richasiankid [at] hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:1153085428.180140.95330 [at] m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
> > No I can't.
> >
> > But some may say it's US foreign policy in action.....From CNN and
> > other networks, one gets the impression that Israel is always right!
> >
> > Who cares, retard? Press the button on your remote labeled "channel".
> >
> > If you don't have a brain, it's not our fault. Your cranium may be empty
> > but
> > look on the bright side...it makes a great penny jar!
>
> So you don't care if Israel is right or not? Er, ok.
>
>
>
> No. The simple fact is the Hezzies kidnapped two soldiers and fired rockets
> into Israel. In simple terms, they started it.
>
> In the bigger tit-for-tat picture, it's meaningless to claim that one
> started it. They are both victims and both aggressors.
>
> The Hezzies got more than they bargained for though. Israel is calling up
> reserves and may invade Lebanon soon.
>
> I guess they got tired of it all? In any case, it seems the Hezzies are
> quite happy to sacrifice Lebanon and its people for their childish game.

The right doesn't win, but winners are right. Wouldn't you agree.
That's what I was driving at.

As a total aside, see this interesting article from the assistant
secretary of the treasury in the Reagan Administration - any thoughts?
http://www.vdare.com/roberts/060716_wider_war.htm

July 16, 2006
America Is Being Set-Up For Wider War In The Middle East

By Paul Craig Roberts

The old adage, "fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me"
does not apply to Americans, who have shown that they can be endlessly
fooled.

Neoconservatives deceived Americans into an illegal attack and
debilitating war in Iraq. American neoconservatives are closely allied
with Israel's Likud Party. In the past, some neocons lost their
security clearances because of "mishandling" of classified information.
According to Insight Magazine (online version, 6/26/06), "the Pentagon
has banned security clearance to Americans with relatives in Israel.
Government sources and attorneys said the Pentagon has sought and
succeeded in removing security clearance from dozens of Americans,
mostly Jews, who either lived, worked or have relatives in Israel."

Despite questions of dual loyalties, neocons hold high positions in the
Bush regime. Ten years ago these architects of American foreign and
military policy spelled out how they would use deception to achieve
"important Israeli strategic objectives" in the Middle East. First,
they would focus "on removing Saddam Hussein from power in Iraq." This
would open the door for Israel to provoke attacks from Hizbollah. The
attacks would let Israel gain American sympathy and permit Israel to
seize the strategic initiative by "engaging Hizbollah, Syria, and Iran
as the principal agents of aggression in Lebanon."

Today, this neoconservative plan is unfolding before our eyes. Israel
has used the capture of two of its soldiers in Lebanon as an excuse for
an all out air and naval bombardment against Lebanese civilian
targets. However, a number of commentators have pointed out that such a
massive attack requires weeks if not months of preparation that could
not be done overnight in response to the capture of the soldiers.

Regardless, in the first two days of the Israeli military attack on
Lebanon more than a hundred civilians, including Canadians, have been
killed by Israeli bombs (gifts from US taxpayers). The International
Airport in Beruit has been repeatedly bombed, as have residential
neighborhoods, roads, bridges, ports, and power stations.

Soldiers are a legitimate military target. Civilians, civilian
neighborhoods, tourists and international airports are not. Under the
Nuremberg standard used to sentence Nazi war criminals to death, the
Israeli government is clearly guilty of war crimes.

Meanwhile the Israelis are committing identical war crimes in Gaza.
Again Israel's excuse is the capture of an Israeli soldier. However,
the distinguished Israeli professor, Ran HaCohen, said that the Israeli
army "had been demanding a massive attack on Gaza long before the
Israeli soldier was kidnapped."

By blocking UN Security Council action against Israel for its massacre
of civilians in Gaza, the Bush regime has made itself complicit in
these monstrous war crimes. Just as Germans who supported Hitler were
deemed to be complicit in his war crimes, Americans who support Bush
are complicit in Bush's war crimes.

Hizbollah is not the Lebanese government. It does not rule Lebanon.
Hizbollah is the militia organization founded in 1982 in response to
Israel's invasion of Lebanon. Hizbollah defeated the Israeli army and
drove out the Israeli invaders six years ago.

According to the BBC, Hizbollah leader Hassan Nassrallah said that the
two Israeli soldiers "were captured to pressure Israel to release the
thousands of Palestinian prisoners in its jails," especially the women
and children.

The BBC also notes that although Hizbollah operates "from Lebanese
territory and the militant group has two ministers in the Lebanese
government, central government is almost powerless to influence the
militant group." [Note that the BBC applies the loaded word "militant"
to Hizbollah but not to Israel.] Hizbollah, reports the BBC, "is also
very popular in Lebanon and highly respected for its political
activities, social services and its military record against Israel."

The Prime Minister of Lebanon, who was installed with President
Bush's approval when Syria, under Bush's pressure, recently
withdrew its troops from Lebanon, has twice appealed to Bush to
pressure Israel to stop its criminal attacks. Our great moral
democratic Christian leader has twice rebuffed the appeal from the
legal representative of the Lebanese people. Instead, Bush is
willingly going along with the 1996 neocon script. Bush is laying the
blame on Syria and Iran, exactly as the neocon script calls for him to
do.

When Bush demands that Syria "stop Hizbollah attacks," he forgets that
he was the one who forced Syria out of Lebanon (to enable Israel to
attack Lebanon). If Americans were attentive, they would be ashamed to
witness "their" president as Israeli propagandist.

Fox "news," CNN and the rest of the Bush propaganda ministry are
echoing the lie that innocent Israel is under attack from the
"terrorist states" of Syria and Iran through their surrogate,
Hizbollah. Americans, who are sick of the Iraq occupation and want the
troops home, are being fooled again and set up for wider war in the
Middle East.

Evangelical "Christians" are part of the propaganda show. Three
thousand of them under the lead of the Rev. John C. Hagee, are heading
to Washington for a "Washington/Israel summit" to demand, needlessly,
that the neocon Bush regime show "stronger support for Israel."

It is difficult to see how Bush could show any stronger support without
using the US military to assist Israel in its attacks, which is, of
course, what the "Christian" Rev. Hagee intends when he declares:
"There's a new Hitler in the Middle East [he doesn't mean Bush or
Olmert]. The only way he will be stopped will be by a pre-emptive
military strike in Iran."

Present at Rev. Hagee's "Washington/Israel Summit" will be
Israell's former Minister of Defense, Lt. Gen. Moshe Yaalon, Israeli
Ambassador Daniel Ayalon, and the Republican National Committee
Chairman Ken Mehlman, along with Republican Senators Sam Brownback and
Rick Santorum and the Rev. Jerry Falwell and Gary Bauer.

The American Israel Public Affairs Committee, the most powerful lobby
in Washington, expressed its thanks to Rev. Hagee for demonstrating
"the depth and breadth of American support" for Israel. Recently, AIPAC
has been under investigation as a suspected nest for Israeli spies.

David Brog, former chief of staff for Republican Senator Arlen Specter,
has gone to work for Rev. Hagee. Brog, who is Jewish, says he works
for Hagee's evangelical enterprise because "we're bringing into a
pro-Israel camp millions of Christians who love Israel and giving them
a political voice. Israel's enemies are our enemies, and this group
instinctively understands that." Brog goes on to say that Hagee's
evangelicals understand that they are not supposed to talk about Jesus,
only about saving Israel: "Christians who work with Jews in supporting
Israel realize how sensitive we are in talking about Jesus. They
realize it will interfere with what they are trying to do."

Gentle reader, is this an admission that evangelicals have set aside
Jesus for war? Do these bloody-minded evangelicals really believe they
will be wafted to Heaven for helping Israel involve the US in more war?
Have evangelicals forgotten that "an eye for an eye" is Old Testament.
"Turn the other cheek" is New Testament.

On July 14, Reuters reported that alone among Christians, the "Vatican
condemns Israel for attacks on Lebanon."

Whose delusion is the greatest--the evangelical "rapture" delusion, the
neocon delusion about American power, or the Zionist delusion? The
three together mean disaster for America, Israel and the world.

One of the great evangelical/Zionist/neocon myths is that "tiny Israel"
armed with 200 nuclear weapons is threatened by Muslim Middle Eastern
countries. In actual fact, Egypt and Pakistan, which have the bulk of
the Middle Eastern Muslim population, are ruled by American puppets.
Jordan, Saudi Arabia and the oil emirates are totally dependent on US
protection and, thereby, are also under the American thumb. Iran is
Persian, not Arab, and has no common borders with Israel. Hizbollah
was created when Israel tried to seize Lebanon in 1982. Hamas is a
Palestinian response to the atrocities Palestinians have suffered for a
half century at Israel's hands.

Israel's land-stealing policy is the source of Middle Eastern
instability. America is hated, because American money and weapons are
what enable Israel to steal Palestine from Palestinians.

As numerous Middle East experts have pointed out, what is decried as
"Arab terrorism against Israel" is, in fact, the only tactic Muslims
have for calling the world's attention to the plight of the
Palestinians, about which Americans are generally ignorant.

It is absurd for Bush to condemn Syria for not behaving as an American
puppet and for not fighting Israel's battles by taking on Hizbollah.
Syria and Iran (and Iraq prior to the US invasion) are the only Middle
Eastern countries independent of American control. It is far beyond the
boundaries of reason and morality to expect these two remaining
independent countries to give up their independence in order to enable
Israel to steal Palestine and southern Lebanon.

It is the refusal of Syria and Iran (and Saddam Hussein's Iraq) to
stand with Israel against Palestine that has targeted them for American
attack. Neocons have total control of US foreign policy in the Bush
regime, and they have morphed US strategic interests into Israel's.

As the neoconservative architects of Bush's wars revealed in 1996,
their concern lies with "Israeli strategic objectives."

COPYRIGHT CREATORS SYNDICATE, INC.

Paul Craig Roberts [email him] was Assistant Secretary of the Treasury
in the Reagan Administration. He is the author of Supply-Side
Revolution : An Insider's Account of Policymaking in Washington;
Alienation and the Soviet Economy and Meltdown: Inside the Soviet
Economy, and is the co-author with Lawrence M. Stratton of The Tyranny
of Good Intentions : How Prosecutors and Bureaucrats Are Trampling the
Constitution in the Name of Justice. Click here for Peter Brimelow's
Forbes Magazine interview with Roberts about the recent epidemic of
prosecutorial misconduct.
Re: Israel kills 32 civilians, including 15 children, in air strikes: [message #227385 ] Mi, 19 Juli 2006 10:34
SpammersMustDie  
"MTRPT" <Mir.Topolski [at] gmx.de> wrote in message
news:1153213624.854744.217310 [at] p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com...
> captain. wrote:
>> "Mohammed Silverstein" wrote:
>> > The only hope is that stem cell research will one day be able to grow
>> > brain cells for the Arabs and they'll kick out the bad boys.
>> they killed a lebanese-canadian family.
>
> A German-Lebanese family with no Hezballah connections was killed too.
> But who cares?
> http://counterpunch.org/christison07172006.html
>> Those who are horrified -- and there are many -- cannot penetrate
>> the shield of impassivity that protects the political and media elite
>> in Israel, even more so in the U.S., and increasingly now in Canada
>> and Europe, from seeing, from caring.

i'd have to agree with that. so many people i have spoken to simply blindly
support any actions isreal takes.
i'm not anti-isreal. i like them just fine, but their actions need to be
questioned. was the kindapping of two soldiers really worth all of this
resulting bloodshed?
obviously many people think that it is.


> In the meantime mucho brain cells keep growing in the White House:
> http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory?id=2203237
>> _Bush_Curses_Hezbollah_on_Live_Microphone_
>> ST. PETERSBURG, Russia Jul 17, 2006 (AP)
>> It wasn't meant to be overheard. Private luncheon conversations among
>> world leaders, picked up by a microphone, provided a rare window into
>> both banter and substance including President Bush cursing Hezbollah's
>> attacks against Israel.
>> Bush expressed his frustration with the United Nations and his disgust
>> with the militant Islamic group and its backers in Syria as he talked to
>> British Prime Minister Tony Blair during the closing lunch at the Group
>> of Eight summit.
>> "See the irony is that what they need to do is get Syria to get Hezbollah
>> to stop doing this s-- and it's over," Bush told Blair as he chewed on a
>> buttered roll.
>

lol. as always, bush is an inspiring speaker. the article implies that his
mouth was full of bread as he spoke.
Re: Israel kills 32 civilians, including 15 children, in air strikes: [message #227408 ] Mi, 19 Juli 2006 13:28
Mohammed Silverstein  
"captain." <spammersmustdie [at] now.net> wrote in message
news:58mvg.54269$B91.38542 [at] edtnps82...
>
> "MTRPT" <Mir.Topolski [at] gmx.de> wrote in message
> news:1153213624.854744.217310 [at] p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com...
>> captain. wrote:
>>> "Mohammed Silverstein" wrote:
>>> > The only hope is that stem cell research will one day be able to grow
>>> > brain cells for the Arabs and they'll kick out the bad boys.
>>> they killed a lebanese-canadian family.
>>
>> A German-Lebanese family with no Hezballah connections was killed too.
>> But who cares?
>> http://counterpunch.org/christison07172006.html
>>> Those who are horrified -- and there are many -- cannot penetrate
>>> the shield of impassivity that protects the political and media elite
>>> in Israel, even more so in the U.S., and increasingly now in Canada
>>> and Europe, from seeing, from caring.
>
> i'd have to agree with that. so many people i have spoken to simply
> blindly support any actions isreal takes.
> i'm not anti-isreal. i like them just fine, but their actions need to be
> questioned. was the kindapping of two soldiers really worth all of this
> resulting bloodshed?
> obviously many people think that it is.
>

I asked you to think. Obviously you have made no attempt.
Revelation for you...there is more to this than just 2 missing soldiers.
The Hezzies have been a bad neighbor for quite some time now. Israel has
been showing restraint. Now they've decided, enough is enough and they've
decided to resolve the issue once and for all i.e. no more rockets. The
Hezzies lit the fire, not the Izzies. Now everyone pays up, including the
Lebs.

It's more than fair that the civilians that support terrorists also pay a
price but there are others in Lebanon who are not supporting the Hezzies but
are still paying i.e. Christians, Druze, etc.

The destroyed infrastructure will result in high unemployment. People
without jobs are more likely to throw rocks, become suicide bombers, etc.
This is where the Izzies are messing up.

Syria comes out a loser...and to a minor extent, Iran. Iran is already on
everybody's shit list.

I don't really expect the Euros to step up and commit troops but the best
case would be a UN mil force occupying S Lebanon eventually replaced by the
Lebs. You have to remember, the Euros are long on preaching but short on
commitment.

This will burn itself out in a couple weeks after the Izzies feel the
Hezzies are sufficiently bludgeoned. If nothing else, the Hezzies will think
twice before messing around...that's two more times than you.

>
>> In the meantime mucho brain cells keep growing in the White House:
>> http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory?id=2203237
>>> _Bush_Curses_Hezbollah_on_Live_Microphone_
>>> ST. PETERSBURG, Russia Jul 17, 2006 (AP)
>>> It wasn't meant to be overheard. Private luncheon conversations among
>>> world leaders, picked up by a microphone, provided a rare window into
>>> both banter and substance including President Bush cursing Hezbollah's
>>> attacks against Israel.
>>> Bush expressed his frustration with the United Nations and his disgust
>>> with the militant Islamic group and its backers in Syria as he talked to
>>> British Prime Minister Tony Blair during the closing lunch at the Group
>>> of Eight summit.
>>> "See the irony is that what they need to do is get Syria to get
>>> Hezbollah
>>> to stop doing this s-- and it's over," Bush told Blair as he chewed on a
>>> buttered roll.
>>
>
> lol. as always, bush is an inspiring speaker. the article implies that his
> mouth was full of bread as he spoke.
>
Re: Israel kills 32 civilians, including 15 children, in air strikes: [message #227409 ] Mi, 19 Juli 2006 13:30
Mohammed Silverstein  
<bmoore [at] nyx.net> wrote in message
news:1153155755.266553.99940 [at] m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com...
>
> ltlee1 wrote:
>> demorising [at] aol.com wrote:
>> > ltlee1 wrote:
>> > > Can someone explain Israel's relatively indiscriminate air strikes?
>> >
>> > This shot is well-aimed:
>> >
>> > http://www.theage.com.au/ffximage/2006/01/16/svIRAN_wideweb_ _470x326,0.jpg
>>
>> Well aimed? At the civilians, may be.
>>
>> The strikes "has killed a total 162 people, all but 13 of them
>> civilians."
>>
>> http://today.reuters.com/news/newsArticle.aspx?type=newsOne& amp;storyID=2006-07-17T042028Z_01_L11538533_RTRUKOC_0_US-MID EAST.xml&pageNumber=1&imageid=&cap=&sz=13&am p;WTModLoc=NewsArt-C1-ArticlePage1
>
> It obviously might be said that Israel is overreacting.
>
> However, if you were intellectually honest, you might also mention that
> Israel has been making an effort to get civilians to leave areas before
> they bomb them.
>
> See how that works? It's called trying to make a fair analysis. Maybe
> you should try it some time.
>

Actually the number of Leb casualties is very low considering the number of
bombs dropped and the areas bombed.
Re: Israel kills 32 civilians, including 15 children, in air strikes: [message #227411 ] Mi, 19 Juli 2006 13:48
Mohammed Silverstein  
<richasiankid [at] hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> Mohammed Silverstein wrote:
>> <richasiankid [at] hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:1153100834.511939.301020 [at] 35g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> Mohammed Silverstein wrote:
>> > "RichAsianKid" <richasiankid [at] hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> > news:1153085428.180140.95330 [at] m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
>> > No I can't.
>> >
>> > But some may say it's US foreign policy in action.....From CNN and
>> > other networks, one gets the impression that Israel is always right!
>> >
>> > Who cares, retard? Press the button on your remote labeled "channel".
>> >
>> > If you don't have a brain, it's not our fault. Your cranium may be
>> > empty
>> > but
>> > look on the bright side...it makes a great penny jar!
>>
>> So you don't care if Israel is right or not? Er, ok.
>>
>>
>>
>> No. The simple fact is the Hezzies kidnapped two soldiers and fired
>> rockets
>> into Israel. In simple terms, they started it.
>>
>> In the bigger tit-for-tat picture, it's meaningless to claim that one
>> started it. They are both victims and both aggressors.
>>
>> The Hezzies got more than they bargained for though. Israel is calling up
>> reserves and may invade Lebanon soon.
>>
>> I guess they got tired of it all? In any case, it seems the Hezzies are
>> quite happy to sacrifice Lebanon and its people for their childish game.
>
> The right doesn't win, but winners are right. Wouldn't you agree.
> That's what I was driving at.
>
> As a total aside, see this interesting article from the assistant
> secretary of the treasury in the Reagan Administration - any thoughts?
> http://www.vdare.com/roberts/060716_wider_war.htm
>

A wider war is unlikely. Unless Israel attacks Syria or some guy named
Gavrilo Princip comes along, this will burn itself out in a couple more
weeks.
Syria is unlikely to attack. They don't have a very good track record going
up against the Israelis but the dentist that runs Syria is no genius either.
He's kind of a dumbed-down version of Kim Jong Il. The Izzies would lose a
few planes to air-defenses but Syria would ultimately lose its air-defenses
and then its air force.
Does Syria want bombs dropping on Damascus? If anything, the Israelis have a
much more formidable military than the Syrians since the days of the Bekaa
Valley turkey-shoot. The Iranians have mostly patched up old US aircraft,
left over from the days of the Shah...and they have the Yanks on their east
and west borders....in easy reach of Tehran. Jordan and Egypt will stay
out...no love lost between Shias and Sunnis. The Jordanians, Saudis and
Egyptians already pretty much publicly blamed the Hezzies for the
mess...Syria's proxies.

I forget what it was now, but the Israelis did make an attempt to suck in
the US with an accusation against the Iranians, but the logic wasn't there
at all.

> July 16, 2006
> America Is Being Set-Up For Wider War In The Middle East
>
> By Paul Craig Roberts
>
> The old adage, "fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me"
> does not apply to Americans, who have shown that they can be endlessly
> fooled.
>
> Neoconservatives deceived Americans into an illegal attack and
> debilitating war in Iraq. American neoconservatives are closely allied
> with Israel's Likud Party. In the past, some neocons lost their
> security clearances because of "mishandling" of classified information.
> According to Insight Magazine (online version, 6/26/06), "the Pentagon
> has banned security clearance to Americans with relatives in Israel.
> Government sources and attorneys said the Pentagon has sought and
> succeeded in removing security clearance from dozens of Americans,
> mostly Jews, who either lived, worked or have relatives in Israel."
>
> Despite questions of dual loyalties, neocons hold high positions in the
> Bush regime. Ten years ago these architects of American foreign and
> military policy spelled out how they would use deception to achieve
> "important Israeli strategic objectives" in the Middle East. First,
> they would focus "on removing Saddam Hussein from power in Iraq." This
> would open the door for Israel to provoke attacks from Hizbollah. The
> attacks would let Israel gain American sympathy and permit Israel to
> seize the strategic initiative by "engaging Hizbollah, Syria, and Iran
> as the principal agents of aggression in Lebanon."
>
> Today, this neoconservative plan is unfolding before our eyes. Israel
> has used the capture of two of its soldiers in Lebanon as an excuse for
> an all out air and naval bombardment against Lebanese civilian
> targets. However, a number of commentators have pointed out that such a
> massive attack requires weeks if not months of preparation that could
> not be done overnight in response to the capture of the soldiers.
>
> Regardless, in the first two days of the Israeli military attack on
> Lebanon more than a hundred civilians, including Canadians, have been
> killed by Israeli bombs (gifts from US taxpayers). The International
> Airport in Beruit has been repeatedly bombed, as have residential
> neighborhoods, roads, bridges, ports, and power stations.
>
> Soldiers are a legitimate military target. Civilians, civilian
> neighborhoods, tourists and international airports are not. Under the
> Nuremberg standard used to sentence Nazi war criminals to death, the
> Israeli government is clearly guilty of war crimes.
>
> Meanwhile the Israelis are committing identical war crimes in Gaza.
> Again Israel's excuse is the capture of an Israeli soldier. However,
> the distinguished Israeli professor, Ran HaCohen, said that the Israeli
> army "had been demanding a massive attack on Gaza long before the
> Israeli soldier was kidnapped."
>
> By blocking UN Security Council action against Israel for its massacre
> of civilians in Gaza, the Bush regime has made itself complicit in
> these monstrous war crimes. Just as Germans who supported Hitler were
> deemed to be complicit in his war crimes, Americans who support Bush
> are complicit in Bush's war crimes.
>
> Hizbollah is not the Lebanese government. It does not rule Lebanon.
> Hizbollah is the militia organization founded in 1982 in response to
> Israel's invasion of Lebanon. Hizbollah defeated the Israeli army and
> drove out the Israeli invaders six years ago.
>
> According to the BBC, Hizbollah leader Hassan Nassrallah said that the
> two Israeli soldiers "were captured to pressure Israel to release the
> thousands of Palestinian prisoners in its jails," especially the women
> and children.
>
> The BBC also notes that although Hizbollah operates "from Lebanese
> territory and the militant group has two ministers in the Lebanese
> government, central government is almost powerless to influence the
> militant group." [Note that the BBC applies the loaded word "militant"
> to Hizbollah but not to Israel.] Hizbollah, reports the BBC, "is also
> very popular in Lebanon and highly respected for its political
> activities, social services and its military record against Israel."
>
> The Prime Minister of Lebanon, who was installed with President
> Bush's approval when Syria, under Bush's pressure, recently
> withdrew its troops from Lebanon, has twice appealed to Bush to
> pressure Israel to stop its criminal attacks. Our great moral
> democratic Christian leader has twice rebuffed the appeal from the
> legal representative of the Lebanese people. Instead, Bush is
> willingly going along with the 1996 neocon script. Bush is laying the
> blame on Syria and Iran, exactly as the neocon script calls for him to
> do.
>
> When Bush demands that Syria "stop Hizbollah attacks," he forgets that
> he was the one who forced Syria out of Lebanon (to enable Israel to
> attack Lebanon). If Americans were attentive, they would be ashamed to
> witness "their" president as Israeli propagandist.
>
> Fox "news," CNN and the rest of the Bush propaganda ministry are
> echoing the lie that innocent Israel is under attack from the
> "terrorist states" of Syria and Iran through their surrogate,
> Hizbollah. Americans, who are sick of the Iraq occupation and want the
> troops home, are being fooled again and set up for wider war in the
> Middle East.
>
> Evangelical "Christians" are part of the propaganda show. Three
> thousand of them under the lead of the Rev. John C. Hagee, are heading
> to Washington for a "Washington/Israel summit" to demand, needlessly,
> that the neocon Bush regime show "stronger support for Israel."
>
> It is difficult to see how Bush could show any stronger support without
> using the US military to assist Israel in its attacks, which is, of
> course, what the "Christian" Rev. Hagee intends when he declares:
> "There's a new Hitler in the Middle East [he doesn't mean Bush or
> Olmert]. The only way he will be stopped will be by a pre-emptive
> military strike in Iran."
>
> Present at Rev. Hagee's "Washington/Israel Summit" will be
> Israell's former Minister of Defense, Lt. Gen. Moshe Yaalon, Israeli
> Ambassador Daniel Ayalon, and the Republican National Committee
> Chairman Ken Mehlman, along with Republican Senators Sam Brownback and
> Rick Santorum and the Rev. Jerry Falwell and Gary Bauer.
>
> The American Israel Public Affairs Committee, the most powerful lobby
> in Washington, expressed its thanks to Rev. Hagee for demonstrating
> "the depth and breadth of American support" for Israel. Recently, AIPAC
> has been under investigation as a suspected nest for Israeli spies.
>
> David Brog, former chief of staff for Republican Senator Arlen Specter,
> has gone to work for Rev. Hagee. Brog, who is Jewish, says he works
> for Hagee's evangelical enterprise because "we're bringing into a
> pro-Israel camp millions of Christians who love Israel and giving them
> a political voice. Israel's enemies are our enemies, and this group
> instinctively understands that." Brog goes on to say that Hagee's
> evangelicals understand that they are not supposed to talk about Jesus,
> only about saving Israel: "Christians who work with Jews in supporting
> Israel realize how sensitive we are in talking about Jesus. They
> realize it will interfere with what they are trying to do."
>
> Gentle reader, is this an admission that evangelicals have set aside
> Jesus for war? Do these bloody-minded evangelicals really believe they
> will be wafted to Heaven for helping Israel involve the US in more war?
> Have evangelicals forgotten that "an eye for an eye" is Old Testament.
> "Turn the other cheek" is New Testament.
>
> On July 14, Reuters reported that alone among Christians, the "Vatican
> condemns Israel for attacks on Lebanon."
>
> Whose delusion is the greatest--the evangelical "rapture" delusion, the
> neocon delusion about American power, or the Zionist delusion? The
> three together mean disaster for America, Israel and the world.
>
> One of the great evangelical/Zionist/neocon myths is that "tiny Israel"
> armed with 200 nuclear weapons is threatened by Muslim Middle Eastern
> countries. In actual fact, Egypt and Pakistan, which have the bulk of
> the Middle Eastern Muslim population, are ruled by American puppets.
> Jordan, Saudi Arabia and the oil emirates are totally dependent on US
> protection and, thereby, are also under the American thumb. Iran is
> Persian, not Arab, and has no common borders with Israel. Hizbollah
> was created when Israel tried to seize Lebanon in 1982. Hamas is a
> Palestinian response to the atrocities Palestinians have suffered for a
> half century at Israel's hands.
>
> Israel's land-stealing policy is the source of Middle Eastern
> instability. America is hated, because American money and weapons are
> what enable Israel to steal Palestine from Palestinians.
>
> As numerous Middle East experts have pointed out, what is decried as
> "Arab terrorism against Israel" is, in fact, the only tactic Muslims
> have for calling the world's attention to the plight of the
> Palestinians, about which Americans are generally ignorant.
>
> It is absurd for Bush to condemn Syria for not behaving as an American
> puppet and for not fighting Israel's battles by taking on Hizbollah.
> Syria and Iran (and Iraq prior to the US invasion) are the only Middle
> Eastern countries independent of American control. It is far beyond the
> boundaries of reason and morality to expect these two remaining
> independent countries to give up their independence in order to enable
> Israel to steal Palestine and southern Lebanon.
>
> It is the refusal of Syria and Iran (and Saddam Hussein's Iraq) to
> stand with Israel against Palestine that has targeted them for American
> attack. Neocons have total control of US foreign policy in the Bush
> regime, and they have morphed US strategic interests into Israel's.
>
> As the neoconservative architects of Bush's wars revealed in 1996,
> their concern lies with "Israeli strategic objectives."
>
> COPYRIGHT CREATORS SYNDICATE, INC.
>
> Paul Craig Roberts [email him] was Assistant Secretary of the Treasury
> in the Reagan Administration. He is the author of Supply-Side
> Revolution : An Insider's Account of Policymaking in Washington;
> Alienation and the Soviet Economy and Meltdown: Inside the Soviet
> Economy, and is the co-author with Lawrence M. Stratton of The Tyranny
> of Good Intentions : How Prosecutors and Bureaucrats Are Trampling the
> Constitution in the Name of Justice. Click here for Peter Brimelow's
> Forbes Magazine interview with Roberts about the recent epidemic of
> prosecutorial misconduct.
>
Re: Israel kills 32 civilians, including 15 children, in air strikes: [message #227427 ] Mi, 19 Juli 2006 16:13
Nusrat Rizvi  
On 16 Jul 2006 04:27:16 -0700, "???? ??????? ?????? ? ??????
;-(?????§â€IÐ_SBR_­X|||)-:" <SimonBeik [at] gmail.com> wrote:

Both the quality of bombs and pilots aims need to be improved. Can we
instead kill 32 children and 15 civilians.

>Israel kills 32 civilians, including 15 children, in air strikes:
>
> By Laila Bassam
>
> An Israeli missile incinerated a van in south Lebanon, killing 20
>people, among them 15 children, in the deadliest single attack of the
>four-day-old campaign launched by Israel after Hizbollah captured two
>of its soldiers and killed eight. Continue
>
>http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article13996.htm
>
>Israel Murders women and children by Weapons supplied by US.
>
>Have no doubt that Americans shall pay a very heavy price for
>SUPPORTING, AND ARMING ILLEGAL TERRORISTS OCCUPYING PALESTINE AND
>LEBANON
Re: Israel kills 32 civilians, including 15 children, in air strikes: [message #227759 ] Do, 20 Juli 2006 13:57
SpammersMustDie  
"Mohammed Silverstein" <LittleMuchacho [at] TimeTraveler.au> wrote in message
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>
> "captain." <spammersmustdie [at] now.net> wrote in message
> news:58mvg.54269$B91.38542 [at] edtnps82...
>>
>> "MTRPT" <Mir.Topolski [at] gmx.de> wrote in message
>> news:1153213624.854744.217310 [at] p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com...
>>> captain. wrote:
>>>> "Mohammed Silverstein" wrote:
>>>> > The only hope is that stem cell research will one day be able to grow
>>>> > brain cells for the Arabs and they'll kick out the bad boys.
>>>> they killed a lebanese-canadian family.
>>>
>>> A German-Lebanese family with no Hezballah connections was killed too.
>>> But who cares?
>>> http://counterpunch.org/christison07172006.html
>>>> Those who are horrified -- and there are many -- cannot penetrate
>>>> the shield of impassivity that protects the political and media elite
>>>> in Israel, even more so in the U.S., and increasingly now in Canada
>>>> and Europe, from seeing, from caring.
>>
>> i'd have to agree with that. so many people i have spoken to simply
>> blindly support any actions isreal takes.
>> i'm not anti-isreal. i like them just fine, but their actions need to be
>> questioned. was the kindapping of two soldiers really worth all of this
>> resulting bloodshed?
>> obviously many people think that it is.
>>
>
> I asked you to think. Obviously you have made no attempt.
> Revelation for you...there is more to this than just 2 missing soldiers.

no. don't pretend that you were unaware of the pretext for the strikes. of
course there is more to this than two soldiers but then there is more to
iraq than WMD's isn't there?


> The Hezzies have been a bad neighbor for quite some time now. Israel has
> been showing restraint. Now they've decided, enough is enough and they've
> decided to resolve the issue once and for all i.e. no more rockets.

only problem is that civies keep getting in the way of their perfect little
strikes. dare i say that some of the strikes could be considered
indiscriminate?


The
> Hezzies lit the fire, not the Izzies. Now everyone pays up, including the
> Lebs.
>

long ago, yes. but now it has devolved into mutual bloodlust.


> It's more than fair that the civilians that support terrorists also pay a
> price but there are others in Lebanon who are not supporting the Hezzies
> but are still paying i.e. Christians, Druze, etc.
>
> The destroyed infrastructure will result in high unemployment. People
> without jobs are more likely to throw rocks, become suicide bombers, etc.
> This is where the Izzies are messing up.

agreed. i was shocked to see bridges blown up and the excuse given that "
now they can't transport rockets across those rivers." ummm... lol?

>
> Syria comes out a loser...and to a minor extent, Iran. Iran is already on
> everybody's shit list.

many lebanese hate syria just as much as isreal. the guys i worked with
years ago were under the impression that syria used lebanon as a pawn.

>
> I don't really expect the Euros to step up and commit troops but the best
> case would be a UN mil force occupying S Lebanon eventually replaced by
> the Lebs. You have to remember, the Euros are long on preaching but short
> on commitment.
>
> This will burn itself out in a couple weeks after the Izzies feel the
> Hezzies are sufficiently bludgeoned. If nothing else, the Hezzies will
> think twice before messing around...that's two more times than you.
>

fortunately when i "mess around" people don't get killed.
Re: Israel kills 32 civilians, including 15 children, in air strikes: [message #227850 ] Do, 20 Juli 2006 22:51
Notifier Deamon  
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Re: Israel kills 32 civilians, including 15 children, in air strikes: [message #227853 ] Fr, 21 Juli 2006 00:20
James  
Kvebekski wrote:
> Harper seems to be the one messing around the most in this issue. He
> makes GWB look like a moderate. Fortunately, Putin and Chirac made him
> shut up at G8 summit.

GWB & Putin are loving it. They hope the jews and arabs kill each
other. Bush would love to have Israel destroy Iran and the other arabs
not under his thumb. Putin loves to have his jews leave for Israel.
They won't let Israel go under because they would have to take back all
the unwanted jews. They both hate jew money controlling industries at
home. When jew money leaves US and Russia to help Israel, jew
influence declines in US & Russia.

No matter what PC crap comes out of their mouths, the world don't want
jews so they fool the jews into going to Israel.
Re: Israel kills 32 civilians, including 15 children, in air strikes: [message #227910 ] Fr, 21 Juli 2006 04:42
SpammersMustDie  
"Kvebekski" <me [at] me.ca> wrote in message
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> captain. wrote:
>> "Mohammed Silverstein" <LittleMuchacho [at] TimeTraveler.au> wrote in message
>> news:AIovg.3319$mQ.1412 [at] fe12.lga...
>>> "captain." <spammersmustdie [at] now.net> wrote in message
>>> news:58mvg.54269$B91.38542 [at] edtnps82...
>>>> "MTRPT" <Mir.Topolski [at] gmx.de> wrote in message
>>>> news:1153213624.854744.217310 [at] p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com...
>>>>> captain. wrote:
>>>>>> "Mohammed Silverstein" wrote:
>>>>>>> The only hope is that stem cell research will one day be able to
>>>>>>> grow
>>>>>>> brain cells for the Arabs and they'll kick out the bad boys.
>>>>>> they killed a lebanese-canadian family.
>>>>> A German-Lebanese family with no Hezballah connections was killed too.
>>>>> But who cares?
>>>>> http://counterpunch.org/christison07172006.html
>>>>>> Those who are horrified -- and there are many -- cannot penetrate
>>>>>> the shield of impassivity that protects the political and media elite
>>>>>> in Israel, even more so in the U.S., and increasingly now in Canada
>>>>>> and Europe, from seeing, from caring.
>>>> i'd have to agree with that. so many people i have spoken to simply
>>>> blindly support any actions isreal takes.
>>>> i'm not anti-isreal. i like them just fine, but their actions need to
>>>> be questioned. was the kindapping of two soldiers really worth all of
>>>> this resulting bloodshed?
>>>> obviously many people think that it is.
>>>>
>>> I asked you to think. Obviously you have made no attempt.
>>> Revelation for you...there is more to this than just 2 missing soldiers.
>>
>> no. don't pretend that you were unaware of the pretext for the strikes.
>> of course there is more to this than two soldiers but then there is more
>> to iraq than WMD's isn't there?
>>
>>
>>> The Hezzies have been a bad neighbor for quite some time now. Israel has
>>> been showing restraint. Now they've decided, enough is enough and
>>> they've decided to resolve the issue once and for all i.e. no more
>>> rockets.
>>
>> only problem is that civies keep getting in the way of their perfect
>> little strikes. dare i say that some of the strikes could be considered
>> indiscriminate?
>>
>>
>> The
>>> Hezzies lit the fire, not the Izzies. Now everyone pays up, including
>>> the Lebs.
>>>
>>
>> long ago, yes. but now it has devolved into mutual bloodlust.
>>
>>
>>> It's more than fair that the civilians that support terrorists also pay
>>> a price but there are others in Lebanon who are not supporting the
>>> Hezzies but are still paying i.e. Christians, Druze, etc.
>>>
>>> The destroyed infrastructure will result in high unemployment. People
>>> without jobs are more likely to throw rocks, become suicide bombers,
>>> etc. This is where the Izzies are messing up.
>>
>> agreed. i was shocked to see bridges blown up and the excuse given that "
>> now they can't transport rockets across those rivers." ummm... lol?
>>
>>> Syria comes out a loser...and to a minor extent, Iran. Iran is already
>>> on everybody's shit list.
>>
>> many lebanese hate syria just as much as isreal. the guys i worked with
>> years ago were under the impression that syria used lebanon as a pawn.
>>
>>> I don't really expect the Euros to step up and commit troops but the
>>> best case would be a UN mil force occupying S Lebanon eventually
>>> replaced by the Lebs. You have to remember, the Euros are long on
>>> preaching but short on commitment.
>>>
>>> This will burn itself out in a couple weeks after the Izzies feel the
>>> Hezzies are sufficiently bludgeoned. If nothing else, the Hezzies will
>>> think twice before messing around...that's two more times than you.
>>>
>>
>> fortunately when i "mess around" people don't get killed.
>>
>>
>
>
> Harper seems to be the one messing around the most in this issue. He makes
> GWB look like a moderate. Fortunately, Putin and Chirac made him shut up
> at G8 summit.

they did? what happened?
Re: Israel kills 32 civilians, including 15 children, in air strikes: [message #228048 ] Fr, 21 Juli 2006 15:16
Notifier Deamon  
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Re: Israel kills 32 civilians, including 15 children, in air strikes: [message #228142 ] Sa, 22 Juli 2006 01:25
SpammersMustDie  
"Kvebekski" <me [at] me.ca> wrote in message
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> captain. wrote:
>> "Kvebekski" <me [at] me.ca> wrote in message
>> news:H1Svg.4287$ly1.29453 [at] weber.videotron.net...
>>> captain. wrote:
>>>> "Mohammed Silverstein" <LittleMuchacho [at] TimeTraveler.au> wrote in
>>>> message news:AIovg.3319$mQ.1412 [at] fe12.lga...
>>>>> "captain." <spammersmustdie [at] now.net> wrote in message
>>>>> news:58mvg.54269$B91.38542 [at] edtnps82...
>>>>>> "MTRPT" <Mir.Topolski [at] gmx.de> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:1153213624.854744.217310 [at] p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com...
>>>>>>> captain. wrote:
>>>>>>>> "Mohammed Silverstein" wrote:
>>>>>>>>> The only hope is that stem cell research will one day be able to
>>>>>>>>> grow
>>>>>>>>> brain cells for the Arabs and they'll kick out the bad boys.
>>>>>>>> they killed a lebanese-canadian family.
>>>>>>> A German-Lebanese family with no Hezballah connections was killed
>>>>>>> too.
>>>>>>> But who cares?
>>>>>>> http://counterpunch.org/christison07172006.html
>>>>>>>> Those who are horrified -- and there are many -- cannot penetrate
>>>>>>>> the shield of impassivity that protects the political and media
>>>>>>>> elite
>>>>>>>> in Israel, even more so in the U.S., and increasingly now in Canada
>>>>>>>> and Europe, from seeing, from caring.
>>>>>> i'd have to agree with that. so many people i have spoken to simply
>>>>>> blindly support any actions isreal takes.
>>>>>> i'm not anti-isreal. i like them just fine, but their actions need to
>>>>>> be questioned. was the kindapping of two soldiers really worth all of
>>>>>> this resulting bloodshed?
>>>>>> obviously many people think that it is.
>>>>>>
>>>>> I asked you to think. Obviously you have made no attempt.
>>>>> Revelation for you...there is more to this than just 2 missing
>>>>> soldiers.
>>>> no. don't pretend that you were unaware of the pretext for the strikes.
>>>> of course there is more to this than two soldiers but then there is
>>>> more to iraq than WMD's isn't there?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> The Hezzies have been a bad neighbor for quite some time now. Israel
>>>>> has been showing restraint. Now they've decided, enough is enough and
>>>>> they've decided to resolve the issue once and for all i.e. no more
>>>>> rockets.
>>>> only problem is that civies keep getting in the way of their perfect
>>>> little strikes. dare i say that some of the strikes could be considered
>>>> indiscriminate?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The
>>>>> Hezzies lit the fire, not the Izzies. Now everyone pays up, including
>>>>> the Lebs.
>>>>>
>>>> long ago, yes. but now it has devolved into mutual bloodlust.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> It's more than fair that the civilians that support terrorists also
>>>>> pay a price but there are others in Lebanon who are not supporting the
>>>>> Hezzies but are still paying i.e. Christians, Druze, etc.
>>>>>
>>>>> The destroyed infrastructure will result in high unemployment. People
>>>>> without jobs are more likely to throw rocks, become suicide bombers,
>>>>> etc. This is where the Izzies are messing up.
>>>> agreed. i was shocked to see bridges blown up and the excuse given that
>>>> " now they can't transport rockets across those rivers." ummm... lol?
>>>>
>>>>> Syria comes out a loser...and to a minor extent, Iran. Iran is already
>>>>> on everybody's shit list.
>>>> many lebanese hate syria just as much as isreal. the guys i worked with
>>>> years ago were under the impression that syria used lebanon as a pawn.
>>>>
>>>>> I don't really expect the Euros to step up and commit troops but the
>>>>> best case would be a UN mil force occupying S Lebanon eventually
>>>>> replaced by the Lebs. You have to remember, the Euros are long on
>>>>> preaching but short on commitment.
>>>>>
>>>>> This will burn itself out in a couple weeks after the Izzies feel the
>>>>> Hezzies are sufficiently bludgeoned. If nothing else, the Hezzies will
>>>>> think twice before messing around...that's two more times than you.
>>>>>
>>>> fortunately when i "mess around" people don't get killed.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Harper seems to be the one messing around the most in this issue. He
>>> makes GWB look like a moderate. Fortunately, Putin and Chirac made him
>>> shut up at G8 summit.
>>
>> they did? what happened?
>>
>>
>
>
>
> It makes me feel incomfortable when Canada has the most radical leader of
> the western countries and Russia has to call him back to order. It is not
> what we are used to, that's for sure.
>
>
> It started like this:
>
> http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20060713. wHarper0713/BNStory/Front
> Responsibility for the escalating violence in the Middle East rests
> entirely with those who have kidnapped Israeli soldiers, Prime Minister
> Stephen Harper said Thursday.
>
> Mr. Harper, on his first major international foray, hadn't even touched
> down in Europe before aligning himself firmly with the United States and
> Israel in the latest conflagration.
>
> “Israel has the right to defend itself,”
> ...
> “I think Israel's response under the circumstances has been measured.”
> _____
>
> While Bush looked wiser:
>
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/5184402.stm
> "Our message to Israel is defend yourself but be mindful of the
> consequences."
>
> ...
>
> France:
> "Speaking before the first summit working meeting of the day, France's
> president said that forces "who jeopardise the security, stability and
> sovereignty of Lebanon must be stopped".
>
> He urged "the protection of civilians, moderation and a durable ceasefire"
> in both Lebanon and the Gaza Strip. "
>
> ...
>
> Russia:
> "President Putin has suggested Israel has ulterior motives in Lebanon
> rather than simply the return of abducted soldiers.
>
> "We condemn any terrorist act including hostage-taking but we have the
> impression that besides the return of its abducted soldiers, Israel is
> pursuing other, wider goals," he said on Saturday. "
>
> ______
>
>
> It ended up on a joint statement:
> http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20060715 /g8_template_060716/20060716?hub=TopStories
>
> "In a joint statement hammered out despite significant differences, the
> leaders of the Group of Eight industrialized, democratic nations called on
> Hezbollah to free two prisoners and stop attacks on Israel, and for Israel
> to halt its military action.
>
> Prime Minister Stephen Harper said "it is an important, strong, and
> unanimous statement," that called on Israel to show "utmost restraint" and
> blamed "extremists" for the violence, said CTV's David Akin, reporting
> from G8 talks in St. Petersburg, Russia. "
>
>

based strictly on the statements you posted above, i tend to sit somewhere
between france and the usa. harper was acting like a flag waver and putin,
although he may be correct in his statement, should refrain from saying such
things without introducing some sort of supporting evidence.
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