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Culture & Politics » soc.culture.china » Willy Lam: Hu's mishandling of the North Korean crisis
| Willy Lam: Hu's mishandling of the North Korean crisis [message #227936] |
Fr, 21 Juli 2006 05:49 |
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HU'S MISHANDLING OF THE NORTH KOREAN CRISIS
http://www.jamestown.org/publications_details.php?volume_id= 415&issue_id=3805&article_id=2371290
Beijing, in particular President Hu Jintao, has emerged as a loser in
the latest episode of missile and nuclear brinkmanship orchestrated by
Dear Leader Kim Jong Il.
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Hu's to Blame
President Hu, who became the director of the CCP Leading Group on
Foreign Affairs (LGFA) in early 2003, deserves much of the criticism
leveled against Beijing's DPRK policy. China-North Korean relations
cooled perceptibly during the tenure of Hu's
predecessors-ex-president Jiang Zemin and former premier Zhu
Rongji-both of whom did not hide their contempt for Kim. High-level
visits between the two allies dropped significantly through the 1990s,
during which Beijing concentrated on building economic, and later,
diplomatic ties with Seoul. Upon assuming the directorship, however, Hu
has surprised even the Chinese foreign policy establishment with his
enthusiastic "about face" to restore the "lips-and-teeth
brotherhood" with the DPRK.
....
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| Re: Willy Lam: Hu's mishandling of the North Korean crisis [message #227963 ] |
Fr, 21 Juli 2006 06:34 |
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demorising [at] aol.com wrote:
> HU'S MISHANDLING OF THE NORTH KOREAN CRISIS
>
> http://www.jamestown.org/publications_details.php?volume_id= 415&issue_id=3805&article_id=2371290
>
> Beijing, in particular President Hu Jintao, has emerged as a loser in
> the latest episode of missile and nuclear brinkmanship orchestrated by
> Dear Leader Kim Jong Il.
How do you know Hu Jintao or China for that matter is not helping N.
Korea to develop their ICBM? Maybe their intention was to let N. Korea
create as much turmoil as possible for the United States to help out
Iran.
>
> ...
>
> Hu's to Blame
>
> President Hu, who became the director of the CCP Leading Group on
> Foreign Affairs (LGFA) in early 2003, deserves much of the criticism
> leveled against Beijing's DPRK policy. China-North Korean relations
> cooled perceptibly during the tenure of Hu's
> predecessors-ex-president Jiang Zemin and former premier Zhu
> Rongji-both of whom did not hide their contempt for Kim. High-level
> visits between the two allies dropped significantly through the 1990s,
Well, time certainly has changed. Then was then, and Jiang Zemin was
then. Now, a new man is in control in China. Hu certainly is not
Jiang Zemin. Hu has his own agenda, and his own ideas on how to run
China and its policies. You can not blame Hu as you do not know what
his intentions are. Do you really believe China would help the United
States to maintain its number one position in the world?
> during which Beijing concentrated on building economic, and later,
> diplomatic ties with Seoul. Upon assuming the directorship, however, Hu
> has surprised even the Chinese foreign policy establishment with his
> enthusiastic "about face" to restore the "lips-and-teeth
> brotherhood" with the DPRK.
I bet it's not a surprise, but a carefully calculated plan to drive the
United States to the mud with problems in N. Korea, Iran, Iraq,
Afghanistan, Palestinians and Israel, Hamas, Helzbollah,... to tie the
United States all over the world so they wouldn't have time to think
about Taiwan, Taiwan Strait, the 7th Fleet,...
>
> ...
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| Re: Willy Lam: Hu's mishandling of the North Korean crisis [message #227982 ] |
Fr, 21 Juli 2006 07:34 |
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I disagree. I don't know much about Hu. But China successfully
stopped Japan and the US to include a chapter-seven provision in the
UNSC resolution they just adopted. That is what counts the most.
Allowing a UNSC resolution to pass with a chapter-seven provision
means the next chance the US has will be to invade N. Korea, just as
it did in the case of Iraq. After that, China will be totally
vulnerable. After all, N. Korea is of no strategic interest to the US
but China is. Consequently, Hu may or may not have handled other
things right; but it has certainly done the right thing to protect the
Chinese people. The US has started too many wars under the guise of
fighting terrorism already. And Japan is willing to be a partner to
wreak havoc in Far East Asia. Someone has to be perceptive enough to
not let war spread to the Korean peninsula and then China, and cause
the scale of devastation we have seen in the Middle East.
We've seen that even the people of South Korea weren't so concerned
about this so-called crisis, arising from N. Korea testing its
missiles. And Russia also didn't want to see the US or Japan
establish enduring forward military bases on the Korean peninsula
beyond the 38th parallel. Most people around the world are weary of
war. There have been too many already!
lo yeeOn
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In article <1153453751.057069.26930 [at] i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
<demorising [at] aol.com> wrote:
>HU'S MISHANDLING OF THE NORTH KOREAN CRISIS
>
> http://www.jamestown.org/publications_details.php?volume_id= 415&issue_id=3805&article_id=2371290
>
>Beijing, in particular President Hu Jintao, has emerged as a loser in
>the latest episode of missile and nuclear brinkmanship orchestrated by
>Dear Leader Kim Jong Il.
>
>...
>
>Hu's to Blame
>
>President Hu, who became the director of the CCP Leading Group on
>Foreign Affairs (LGFA) in early 2003, deserves much of the criticism
>leveled against Beijing's DPRK policy. China-North Korean relations
>cooled perceptibly during the tenure of Hu's
>predecessors-ex-president Jiang Zemin and former premier Zhu
>Rongji-both of whom did not hide their contempt for Kim. High-level
>visits between the two allies dropped significantly through the 1990s,
>during which Beijing concentrated on building economic, and later,
>diplomatic ties with Seoul. Upon assuming the directorship, however, Hu
>has surprised even the Chinese foreign policy establishment with his
>enthusiastic "about face" to restore the "lips-and-teeth
>brotherhood" with the DPRK.
>
>...
>
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| Re: Willy Lam: Hu's mishandling of the North Korean crisis [message #228046 ] |
Fr, 21 Juli 2006 14:41 |
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On 20 Jul 2006 20:49:11 -0700, demorising [at] aol.com wrote:
>Beijing, in particular President Hu Jintao, has emerged as a loser in
>the latest episode of missile and nuclear brinkmanship orchestrated by
>Dear Leader Kim Jong Il.
As far as China is concerned NKs missile and nuclear program is not a
problem. NK is no threat to China nor to any of her east Asia
neighbors. NK has not made threats to anyone and should such a threat
ever arise China can stop NK promptly any time. China had not made
any moves to stop or slow down NK for a good reason. It keeps the US
attention away from China. But China cannot officially support the NK
program either for obvious reasons.
The US has no leverage on the NK problem. NK is no threat to the US
by their (US) own admission. So there is this comical effort from US
sources to put the blame on China to say that China should do this
and do that to NK as if China is for the US to order around. As far
as China is concerned she has to keep the ball (Six Party Talks) in
the air until the affair blows over as is happening now. The American
and Japanese position is beginning to look more and more alarmist and
ridiculous and there are more pressing international crises to worry
about. Willy Lam's article is a desperate attempt to get China to act
for US interests. Not likely.
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| Re: Willy Lam: Hu's mishandling of the North Korean crisis [message #228115 ] |
Fr, 21 Juli 2006 19:19 |
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On 20 Jul 2006 20:49:11 -0700, demorising [at] aol.com wrote:
>Beijing, in particular President Hu Jintao, has emerged as a loser in
>the latest episode of missile and nuclear brinkmanship orchestrated by
>Dear Leader Kim Jong Il.
On the contrary. China has maintained the status quo ante, that is
the situation remains the same as before. At the same time China has
defelcted criticism by making the right moves having worked as a
member of the six powers and having the UN SC censure on NK which does
not include sanctions or military action. China is not obliged to do
anything to NK which is exactly what she wants. If the US disagrees
and wants to take action she can't without UN support. The US cannot
act unilateraly because Russia and China will protect NK under such
circumstances. The US has been checked in her efforts to attack NK.
The letter below is a useful reference point
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Letters.html
It is reasonable to assume, as Ralph Cossa does [Pyongyang forces UN's
hand, Jul 20], that the Chinese mission to Pyongyang ended on a sour
note. It is also reasonable to suggest that the meeting was stormy,
and that the North Koreans forcefully rebuffed Beijing's counsel. This
pushed the Chinese to add their voice to a unanimous vote in the
Security Council to sanction the DPRK [Democratic People's Republic of
Korea] for testing its missiles. Nonetheless, unwilling to abandon its
ally to whom under a 1961 mutual-defense treaty it is tied, Beijing
made sure that the resolution lacked bite. In other words, it would
remain unenforceable and without sanctions. Mr Cossa sees the Security
Council's unanimity as more than a moral victory. On the other hand,
the agreement of the 15 members of the Security Council will not bring
Pyongyang back to six-power talks. Mr Cossa myopically parses the
question of North Korea. Pyongyang is but one player, and to put it
colloquially, to make an omelet, one has to break eggs. And one of
those eggs happens to be the United States. As long as Washington is
unwilling to engage Pyongyang on a state-to-state basis, the six-power
talks will remain stillborn.
Jakob Cambria
USA (Jul 20, '06)
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| Re: Willy Lam: Hu's mishandling of the North Korean crisis [message #228197 ] |
Sa, 22 Juli 2006 02:59 |
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grass (communism) widespread,
the farmer (USA) should be regretful not to bomb PRC off at 1950 !!!!
ppp [at] yahoo.com wrote:
> On 20 Jul 2006 20:49:11 -0700, demorising [at] aol.com wrote:
>
>
>>Beijing, in particular President Hu Jintao, has emerged as a loser in
>>the latest episode of missile and nuclear brinkmanship orchestrated by
>>Dear Leader Kim Jong Il.
>
>
>
> On the contrary. China has maintained the status quo ante, that is
> the situation remains the same as before. At the same time China has
> defelcted criticism by making the right moves having worked as a
> member of the six powers and having the UN SC censure on NK which does
> not include sanctions or military action. China is not obliged to do
> anything to NK which is exactly what she wants. If the US disagrees
> and wants to take action she can't without UN support. The US cannot
> act unilateraly because Russia and China will protect NK under such
> circumstances. The US has been checked in her efforts to attack NK.
>
> The letter below is a useful reference point
> http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Letters.html
>
> It is reasonable to assume, as Ralph Cossa does [Pyongyang forces UN's
> hand, Jul 20], that the Chinese mission to Pyongyang ended on a sour
> note. It is also reasonable to suggest that the meeting was stormy,
> and that the North Koreans forcefully rebuffed Beijing's counsel. This
> pushed the Chinese to add their voice to a unanimous vote in the
> Security Council to sanction the DPRK [Democratic People's Republic of
> Korea] for testing its missiles. Nonetheless, unwilling to abandon its
> ally to whom under a 1961 mutual-defense treaty it is tied, Beijing
> made sure that the resolution lacked bite. In other words, it would
> remain unenforceable and without sanctions. Mr Cossa sees the Security
> Council's unanimity as more than a moral victory. On the other hand,
> the agreement of the 15 members of the Security Council will not bring
> Pyongyang back to six-power talks. Mr Cossa myopically parses the
> question of North Korea. Pyongyang is but one player, and to put it
> colloquially, to make an omelet, one has to break eggs. And one of
> those eggs happens to be the United States. As long as Washington is
> unwilling to engage Pyongyang on a state-to-state basis, the six-power
> talks will remain stillborn.
> Jakob Cambria
> USA (Jul 20, '06)
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