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#1: Re: A conspiracy of silence on the Afghan war at the Romney

Posted on 2012-09-12 20:10:31 by "bmoore@nyx.net"

On Sep 12, 7:43=A0pm, acous...@panix.com (lo yeeOn) wrote:
> In article <e5b3b0ca-a0da-4fe2-9f4f-c5bed3294...@r1g2000pbq.googlegroups.=
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> bmo...@nyx.net <bmo...@nyx.net> wrote:
> >On Sep 10, 6:37=A0pm, acous...@panix.com (lo yeeOn) wrote:
> >> In article
> ><3e6a8605-bc1b-4bb7-b7d7-c0f386d8a...@ql4g2000pbc.googlegroups.com>,
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> >> bmo...@nyx.net <bmo...@nyx.net> wrote:
> >> >On Sep 10, 3:45=A0pm, acous...@panix.com (lo yeeOn) wrote:
> >> >> Unlike Washington's politicians, Clint Eastwood refused to be
> >> >> scripted.
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> >> >Uh, he didn't "refuse to be scripted" so much as he simply decided to
> >> >ad-lib.
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> >> You're desperate, aren't you? =A0He was asked for "details about his
> >> speech in advance". =A0But Eastwood told them: "You can't do that with
> >> me, because ..." =A0Anyone who has any brains would know that nobody i=
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> >> going to speak at such an important occasion without having thought
> >> about what he's going to say. =A0Eastwood didn't have to bring a piece
> >> of paper with him. =A0Nor did he need a tele-prompt and what not. =A0H=
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> >> just had to have thought about what he was going to say and say it.
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> >> =A0 The Oscar-winning director said campaign aides had asked for detai=
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> >> =A0 about his speech in advance. "But I told them, 'You can't do that
> >> =A0 with me, because I don't know what I'm going to say.'"
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> >> Eastwood was speaking with tact.
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> >You're wrong.
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> >http://www.pineconearchive.com/120907-1.html
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> >It was only after a quick nap in his hotel room a few blocks from the
> >convention site, Eastwood said, that he mapped out his remarks =97
> >starting with his observation about politics in Hollywood, then
> >challenging the president about the failure of his economic policies,
> >and wrapping up by telling the public =93they don=92t have to worship
> >politicians, like they were royalty or something.=94
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> Yeah, nice try from the spinmeisters. =A0But no cigar, man! =A0I can say
> that because his speech is on tape. =A0I have watched it and heard it.
> I also posted a transcript of it earlier. =A0[Please see below.]
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> Specifically about the war:
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> =A0 I know you were against the war in Iraq, and that's okay. But you
> =A0 thought the war in Afghanistan was OK.
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> =A0 You know, I mean -- you thought that was something worth doing. We
> =A0 didn't check with the Russians to see how did it -- they [were] there
> =A0 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> =A0 for 10 years.
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> =A0 (APPLAUSE)
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> =A0 But we did it, and it is something to be thought about, and I think
> =A0 that, when we get to maybe -- I think you've mentioned something
> =A0 about having a target date for bringing everybody home. You gave
> =A0 that target date, and I think Mr. Romney asked the only sensible
> =A0 question, you know, he says, "Why are you giving the date out now?
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> =A0 Why don't you just bring them home tomorrow morning?"
> =A0 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
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> And on Guantanamo prison,
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> =A0 Well, I know even people in your own party were very disappointed whe=
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> =A0 you didn't close Gitmo. And I thought, well closing Gitmo -- why
> =A0 close that, we spent so much money on it.
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> He did not talk about Obama's economic policies as you claimed, except
> that about the fact that now is more than 20 million unemployed.
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> That's the criticism that is more devastating than for him to talking
> about in what way Obama's economic policies have failed.
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> Let's just recall that during the Vietnam war, the number of
> unemployed was only two or three millions.
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> Of course, the war is directly the cause of our unemployment.
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> Where do we get the money to hire people when we are running a deficit
> of 16 trillions?
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> We don't just have a down turn like the spinmeisters have been trying
> to frame our economic condition as because a down turn implies that
> the time function of the country's economic activity is going up and
> down like a wave. =A0What happened in the last decade shows a steady
> secular downward moving trend. =A0All the stimulus packages from the
> federal government while the wars are still going on have amounted to
> no more than injecting a pile of cash into the society for consumer to
> spend.
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> That kind of consumption is clearly incapable of self-regenerating.
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> The band-aid solution does not and cannot solve the fundamental
> problem of an economy which is fundamentally unproductive.
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> When we complain about cheap labor abroad, we are admitting that we do
> not have ways to produce goods that are better that those produced by
> cheap labor. =A0It goes all the way to the root of our economic problem:
> we do not have money to hire smart people who can be relied on to
> improve productivity of our goods.
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> Besides the fact that the war is sucking us dry, the war also has the
> extreme detrimental effect of distracting the people from their normal
> activities their overall productivity depends upon.
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> And of course the priority of the government is all screwed up.
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> Uncle Sam, instead of spending money on hiring good people at the
> energy and commerce departments, spends our money on hiring a lot of
> State Department workers to do the kind of spinning you do regularly.
>
> He spends our money hiring contractors to fight in Iraq (even today),
> Afghanistan, and Syria.
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> Now that one of the most spectacular attacks of our consulate in
> Benghazi, Libya has taken place, we'll have to hire a bunch more
> security contractors to fight in Libya too.
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> So we are given the figure that nearly two thousand US soldiers have
> been killed in Afghanistan, right?
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> What we are not hearing is the number of security contractors who have
> been killed in Afghanistan also.
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> Another real casualty of the war is the energy that goes into spinning
> the war and lying about every setback that takes place.
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> When you have a war that has sucked out trillions of dollars and
> driving the unemployment up to at least twenty millions or 10 percent
> of the working population, then the war is a real problem. =A0And that's
> really what Clint Eastwood was trying to say.
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> Whatever you have posted here sounds so phony that you can fool a baby
> or an Incumbent Party member, be it a Republican or Democrat.
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> But you can't convince a thinking person that Mr. Eastwood was just
> ad-libbing or that he just came up with what he wanted to say after a
> nap in a hotel but didn't give it a lot of thought beforehand. =A0It is
> a ludicrous proposition. =A0It is spin, and nothing more.

You're a fool. It's from an interview with Clint Eastwood in his local
newspaper. It's the truth. You are full of shit.

> lo yeeOn
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> Clinton Eastwood reassured us that our country has good Republicans,
> Democrats, Libertarians.... =A0Unfortunately, however, there are bad
> guys at the top we need to get rid of.
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> And Romney could win the White House if he is bold enough to say no to
> the neocons and promise to shut down our occupation of Afghanistan,
> the minute he enters the White House. =A0It has been done before:
> Francois Hollande won the presidency of his country against the
> war-lover Nicolas Sarkozy by promising his countrymen that he would
> take the French troops home from Afghanistan right away and they liked
> it.
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> lo yeeOn
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> 1) Clint Eastwood's speech at the Romney Convention
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> EASTWOOD: Thank you very much. Thank you. Thank you very much. Save a
> little for Mitt.
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> (APPLAUSE)
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> I know what you are thinking. You are thinking, what's a movie
> tradesman doing out here? You know they are all left wingers out
> there, left of Lenin. At least that is what people think. That is not
> really the case. There are a lot of conservative people, a lot of
> moderate people, Republicans, Democrats, in Hollywood. It is just that
> the conservative people by the nature of the word itself play closer
> to the vest. They do not go around hot dogging it.
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> (APPLAUSE)
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> So -- but they are there, believe me, they are there. I just think, in
> fact, some of them around town, I saw John Voigt, a lot of people
> around.
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> (APPLAUSE)
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> John's here, an academy award winner. A terrific guy. These people are
> all like-minded, like all of us. So I -- so I've got Mr. Obama sitting
> here. And he's -- I was going to ask him a couple of questions. But --
> you know about -- I remember three and a half years ago, when
> Mr. Obama won the election. And though I was not a big supporter, I
> was watching that night when he was having that thing and they were
> talking about hope and change and they were talking about, yes we can,
> and it was dark outdoors, and it was nice, and people were lighting
> candles.
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> They were saying, I just thought, this was great.
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> Everybody is trying, Oprah was crying.
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> (LAUGHTER)
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> EASTWOOD: I was even crying. And then finally -- and I haven't cried
> that hard since I found out that there is 23 million unemployed people
> in this country.
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> (APPLAUSE)
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> Now that is something to cry for because that is a disgrace, a
> national disgrace, and we haven't done enough, obviously -- this
> administration hasn't done enough to cure that. Whenever interest they
> have is not strong enough, and I think possibly now it may be time for
> somebody else to come along and solve the problem.
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> (APPLAUSE)
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> So, Mr. President, how do you handle promises that you have made when
> you were running for election, and how do you handle them?
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> I mean, what do you say to people? Do you just -- you know -- I know
> -- people were wondering -- you don't -- handle that OK.
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> Well, I know even people in your own party were very disappointed when
> you didn't close Gitmo. And I thought, well closing Gitmo -- why close
> that, we spent so much money on it. But, I thought maybe as an excuse
> -- what do you mean shut up?
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> (LAUGHTER)
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> OK, I thought maybe it was just because somebody had the stupid idea
> of trying terrorists in downtown New York City.
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> (APPLAUSE)
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> I've got to to hand it to you. I have to give credit where credit is
> due. You did finally overrule that finally. And that's -- now we are
> moving onward. I know you were against the war in Iraq, and that's
> okay. But you thought the war in Afghanistan was OK.
>
> You know, I mean -- you ...
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