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#1: PRC's troubles in colonies in Tibet and East Turkestan

Posted on 2012-08-15 07:20:27 by Satish

http://gwynnedyer.com/2009/china-trouble-in-the-colonies/

China: Trouble in the Colonies
BY GWYNNE DYER

=93The incidents in China are, simply put, a genocide. There=92s no point
in interpreting this otherwise,=94 said Turkey=92s Prime Minister Recep
Tayyib Erdogan last Friday. He was talking about the deaths of at
least 184 people in the recent street violence in Xinjiang, the huge
province that occupies the north-western corner of China.

A majority of Xinjiang=92s people are Uighurs who are Muslims and speak
a language closely related to Turkish, so Erdogan=92s comments were
bound to appeal to his audience in Turkey. The Chinese government,
predictably, condemned his charges as =93irresponsible and groundless.=94
The Chinese government was right =96 but also terribly wrong.

It wasn=92t a genocide. The deaths of 184 people, for whatever reason,
do not constitute a genocide. Erdogan was claiming that there had been
a genocide against the Uighurs, but three-quarters of the people
killed in the riots were Han Chinese.=93Genocide=94 is a word that should
only be used very precisely, and Erdogan owes Beijing an apology.

Even if the Chinese authorities exaggerated the number of Han dead and
understated the Uighur death-toll, as Uighur nationalists abroad
claim, there is no doubt that this violence started as an Uighur
attack on Chinese immigrants. However, Beijing owes the Uighurs more
than just an apology, for it is Chinese policy that drove them to such
desperate measures.

The Chinese authorities genuinely believe that the development they
have brought to Xinjiang has been for the Uighurs=92 own good, even if
it has also brought huge numbers of Han Chinese immigrants to the
province. But they are certainly not distressed to see this sensitive
frontier province that was 90 percent Uighur and Muslim sixty years
ago become a place where a majority of the residents are instinctively
loyal Han Chinese.

More importantly, they lack the cultural imagination to see that this
process will be profoundly a lienating for the Uighurs. It may sound
preposterous, but most of the men who rule China simply could not come
up with an answer to the question: =93Why don=92t they want to be
Chinese?=94 So if there are anti-Chinese riots in Xinjiang, it must be
=93outside agitators stirring up our Uighurs.=94

That is how Beijing explained the riots to itself and to the nation.
As Xinjiang=92s Communist governor, Nur Bekri, said in a televised
address, exiled Uighur leader Rebiya Kadeer =93had phone conversations
with people in China on 5 July in order to incite [the violence].=94
Beijing explained the even bloodier anti-Chinese riots in Tibet in
March of last year in exactly the same way, except that that time the
outside agitator was the Dalai Lama.

What=92s more, most Chinese believe it. They have been schooled to
believe that Xinjiang and Tibet have been an integral part of their
country since time immemorial. They also believe the Uighurs and
Tibetans who live in those places are (or should be) profoundly
grateful for the development and prosperity that have come to their
provinces as a result of their membership in the Chinese nation.

The gulf of incomprehension is so vast that it is reminiscent of the
gap between the Russian and non-Russian inhabitants of the former
Russian empire before the collapse of the old Soviet Union in 1991.
Almost all Ru ssians believed that the non-Russians were (or should
be) grateful for all that had been done for them, and even resented
the fact that they got more investment per capita than the Russians
themselves. As for the non-Russians, they took their independence as
soon as they could.

The truth is that the Chinese empire first took effective control of
Tibet and Xinjiang in the same period when the Russian empire was
conquering the other Central Asian countries. Whatever vague claims to
=93suzerainty=94 Beijing can dredge up from the more distant past, they do
not convince the Uighurs and the Tibetans themselves, who would cut
loose from China instantly if they got the chance.

; It=92s called decolonisation, and China is the last hold-out. The only
way it can ensure a different final outcome to that of the other
empires is to swamp the local people with Han Chinese immigrants =96 and
that, oddly enough, is the principal result of its =93development=94
policies. The development creates an economy that the local people are
not qualified to work in, and Chinese immigrants come in to fill those
jobs instead.

The Tibetan Automous Region still has a large Tibetan majority, but in
Xinjiang the Uighurs are already down to 45 percent of the population,
while the Han Chinese are up to 40 percent. The Uighurs feel that
their country is disappearing in front of their eyes, and they are
right.

So they attack innocent Chinese immigrants, which is shameful but all
too understandable. Chinese mobs attack them back, which is equally
shameful and equally understandable.

It is already ugly, and it=92s probably going to get a good deal uglier.
The repression needed to hold down Xinjiang and Tibet may lead to
increased repression in China in general, and it will almost certainly
lead to more violence in the colonies.

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#2: Re: Taipei Times denounces PRC's repression in Tibet

Posted on 2012-08-15 07:44:29 by Satish

On Aug 14, 9:27=C2=A0am, rst9 <rst9w...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Satish is an immoral and unethical asshole liar, and a psychopath.



rst9/rst0 is a 74-year old retiree. But his maturity belies his age.
rst9 is under the impression that it is not necessary to be rational
and factual if he can hurl choice insults and abuses !!!

It must be rst0/rst9's senility that is speaking for him. He attempts
to reply to a post. But by the time he is ready to type in his reply,
he can no longer remember what/who he is replying to. That's when he
ripostes with his standard nonsensical paragraph of inanities and
profanities not just in the body of the post but, very often, even in
the title of the thread!!

rst0/rst9 is much like the old senile who is so far gone that by the
time he takes off his pants in the bedroom, he has forgotten why he
took them off. So he proceeds to pee and shit in his bed!!


74-year old rst0/rst9 will do himself a big favor if he enrolls
himself in some adult education school. Otherwise he'll continue to
make a spectacle of himself by revealing his appalling ignorance in
everything from history to English.

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rst0/rst9 is indeed from Fujian who came to USA in 1949 as an 11-year
old to be reunited with the purported biological father. Today he is
74. He continues to live in USA shacking up with his gf in Merced,
CA.

But rst0/rst9's puerile behavior has less to do with his age and more
to do with his belief that ad hominem and bluster are enough to hide
the fact that he is incapable of summoning facts or logic to counter
topics that he does not approve of.

rst0/rst9 does not know how to debate. But he is determined to make an
unseemly scene in the hope that his temper tantrums will not only keep
him in the limelight, but more importantly, keep topics that he
detests off the newsgroup for discussion.

And if he can't get himself to do that, he should stop bilking USA and
go back to where his heart really resides, namely, the village of his
birth in China under CCP-dictatorship. That would be the honest thing
to do.

Of course, it is another matter that his gf in Merced, CA will refuse
to follow rst0/rst9 to CCP-land where any deviation of his newsgroup
posts from the official CCP-line will right away lead him to re-
education through labor ( =E5=8B=9E=E5=8B=95=E6=95=99=E9=A4=8A ). And, the=
n, rst0 might indeed end up
peeing and shitting at the very sight of a keyboard.

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#3: Satish is an old frustrated faggot wanking Indian liar troll, bashing

Posted on 2012-08-15 11:08:48 by rst0

Satish is an old frustrated faggot wanking Indian liar troll, bashing
authority because as a child he was abused by his mother's pimp.

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#4: Re: Taipei Times denounces PRC's repression in Tibet

Posted on 2012-08-15 11:35:05 by rst9

Hey, Satish, you know you are an immoral and unethical ass hole liar
and a psychopath.

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